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Title: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 20, 2017, 10:13:58 AM
The forum seems lacking in talk of the greatest game in the world, but Mr Scientist set me thinking this morning with the below....

We have always known that Balmedie was a white elephant and his claim that it would be the greatest course in the world was always completely laffable. It's not even the best course within 5 miles of there and there are numerous better in the NE let alone Scotland let alone the UK let alone Europe let alone the world. What he didn't factor in and we all knew was that you can't sell tickets for a minimum of 5 months out of 12. The haar comes in during peak times, July & August to wipe out some days and it's way too cold for tourists in the winter. Plus the price was so ridiculous he was never going to get locals to play it more than once, or occasionally twice or more if a freebie.
While I agree with all of the rest, plus you missed out that he didn't bargain for how long a course takes to be ready for play from new build in our climate, I take issue with how good the course is.

Let's forget Trump being a total erse, that's a given. And we'll move past best course in the world because again, that's a helluva tall order, and will always be subjective anyway, and obviously it isn't.

I honestly don't think even Royal Snoberdeen can beat it, far less anywhere else in the north east, he truly has built an astonishing layout.

What are your issues with the course?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 20, 2017, 11:23:24 AM
The problems with Trump are numerous in my view. I appreciate that I'm in the minority here. Before my first visit I found it interesting that 80% said best course ever and 20% said couldn't care if I see it ever again. Nobody sat on the fence. I thought the 20% were right miserable cunts because I'd heard the gushings of the 80%. Now I'm the king of the 20%.

Specifically, there are two major defects for me. The greens are trumped up and in amongst the dunes is relentlessly boring for many of the holes.

My first putt at the 1st hole was 8 feet for birdie... with a 12 inch step to come over. That's not right. I slightly heavied my 4 iron approach at the 8th and had no shot despite being within a foot of the front of the green. The dead elephant in front of the front pin made it impossible. If I'd blocked it or hooked it, no problem but the place is a fucking lottery. The 10th green is the best example, a collection of tabletops and pure fortune if you find a decent putt, if you're anywhere close to the right level. And that's following a blind 3 wood!

Mark Parsinen designed Castle Stuart and Kingsbarns. He took me round CS in preview mode, 6 weeks before it opened. His use of architectural techniques - including compress and release which he borrowed from Frank Lloyd Wright - were amazingly intelligent innovations and the whole experience of playing on his designs is joyous. I hate Trump International and whilst I can't stand the club, Royal Aberdeen is a great test of golfing ability without the random luck you get at Balmedie. Moray is a better course. Fraserburgh is more fun. As a purist - Carnoustie best in Scotland, Lytham best in England, Portrush best in Ireland, I just can't stand it. Although my English fav might change next month as seeing Birkdale for the first time in advance of the Open in July.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 20, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
Birkdale is fabulous Rocket, I think you'll change your mind there.

Fair points on Trump, I detest the 10th, think it's a terrible hole, and yes 1st green in funky. Have to say I don't think the front nine has a bad hole, but 10, 12, 16 & 17 are nae that great on the back.

Having only finally played the Broch a couple years back, I'd echo the fun comment, if it wasn't in the most hooring cold part of the country in a dreich town, I think it would get plenty rave reviews.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on February 23, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
I do love the golf, but don't play as much as i can now, some great courses doon here. Played a few but it is bloody expensive here to play golf.

My favourite course's back hame was Broch, Turra, Duff house and Balnagask, played on the old nigg bay many early morning.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 23, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
Malaga min, some advice if you can.

Was looking at going to Sotogrande for the European Nations at the end of March. Flights to and from Malaga direct from Abz Thursday and Sunday. Would stay at an airport hotel the Saturday night (cos early start home) but where would you recommend within 15/20 minutes drive of the golf? What towns/areas near Sotogrande are nice? Will be wife and I.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on February 23, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
Malaga min, some advice if you can.

Was looking at going to Sotogrande for the European Nations at the end of March. Flights to and from Malaga direct from Abz Thursday and Sunday. Would stay at an airport hotel the Saturday night (cos early start home) but where would you recommend within 15/20 minutes drive of the golf? What towns/areas near Sotogrande are nice? Will be wife and I.

Marbella, Puerto Banus, Estapona, are nice but expensive. Look up a place called Daquesa, small modern village also look at Manilva.
Sotogrande is a nice place but very expensive and polo snobs! Actually i dont like the place.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on February 23, 2017, 03:31:55 PM
Are u hiring a car RS?

I know a good personal driver
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 23, 2017, 04:37:03 PM
Are u hiring a car RS?

I know a good personal driver

I don't like Sotogrande either but that's where the tournament is. Stayed in Estepona a couple of years ago. Was excellent. That's a possibility and will check out those other 2 places, cheers. Yeah need to hire a car. Need that flexibility to go where we want when we want.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on February 23, 2017, 04:50:59 PM
I don't like Sotogrande either but that's where the tournament is. Stayed in Estepona a couple of years ago. Was excellent. That's a possibility and will check out those other 2 places, cheers. Yeah need to hire a car. Need that flexibility to go where we want when we want.

Estapona is good place, my favourite seafood restaurant is there,

Look at San Pedro, up and coming kinda place but very Spanish, all late night early morning bars RS . Alot of money has been spent on the place, very nice.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 23, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
Estapona is good place, my favourite seafood restaurant is there,

Look at San Pedro, up and coming kinda place but very Spanish, all late night early morning bars RS . Alot of money has been spent on the place, very nice.

Will do. Not definite yet. Away the whole of the previous week but getting sick of the relentless weather here so a couple of days in the sun could be nice.

You spell Estepona the way you say it, not how the Spanish spell it!!!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on February 23, 2017, 05:48:04 PM
Will do. Not definite yet. Away the whole of the previous week but getting sick of the relentless weather here so a couple of days in the sun could be nice.

You spell Estepona the way you say it, not how the Spanish spell it!!!

Lazy, I suppose.

Weather no great here at the moment min, the course beside me has been destroyed due to the rain, working round the clock to get it up and running, then the storm at the weekend has knocked it back again
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 23, 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Lazy, I suppose.

Weather no great here at the moment min, the course beside me has been destroyed due to the rain, working round the clock to get it up and running, then the storm at the weekend has knocked it back again

Chances are it will be sunshine in 5 weeks time though :)

Going to Corfu for a week in May, for the second time, the first time with the wife. The last time was over a third of a century ago. You done the right thing escaping the NE. It's on its arse and the weather is getting worse year on year. It's becoming a really depressing city centre. But it's home... dilemmas, dilemmas...

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 01, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
The dashcam of Tiger Woods DUI arrest has been made public. I presume some cop got money for releasing it.

What a tragic showing of a poor man in deep trouble. How he became so fucked up can be sourced back to the shocking parenting he suffered at the hands of that total pig of a father. Because Tiger is so extraordinarily rich in financial terms, his suffering will only bring ridicule from many, unwilling to see the tragedy and unable to have compassion.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: CtS on June 02, 2017, 08:08:27 AM
Advice for anyone in the Aberdeen area looking for a game of golf on a budget, you won't get better value than Hazelhead Pines (#2 course) at 15 quid. I forgot how lovely some of the holes there are, and it's in great condition just now. Just saying.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 02, 2017, 09:30:33 AM
The dashcam of Tiger Woods DUI arrest has been made public. I presume some cop got money for releasing it.

What a tragic showing of a poor man in deep trouble. How he became so fucked up can be sourced back to the shocking parenting he suffered at the hands of that total pig of a father. Because Tiger is so extraordinarily rich in financial terms, his suffering will only bring ridicule from many, unwilling to see the tragedy and unable to have compassion.

He's a sorry state but he's a classless prick on the golf course. Will never be a Nicklaus or a Watson.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MálagaSheep on June 05, 2017, 04:14:07 PM
Here Rocket? When are u over in my neck o the woods? Or was that a while ago?

Played La Cala resort Asia course the other day. Great course.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 05, 2017, 04:45:42 PM
Here Rocket? When are u over in my neck o the woods? Or was that a while ago?

Played La Cala resort Asia course the other day. Great course.

Not this year so far in Spain but the Asia course there has hosted a lot of pro events. I've heard it's very good.

Talking golf, there are only two Open venues I've never played or seen but because the Amateur is at Sandwich and the Open is at Birkdale, I'll tick those two boxes within the next 6/7 weeks :)
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 19, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
The Open

1st - Adam Scott 30/1
2nd - Kuchar 60/1
3rd Soren Kjeldsen 150/1

That's it
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on July 19, 2017, 04:29:27 PM
Sky lose USPGA rights. Some live men's golf coming to terrestrial TV  :o

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 20, 2017, 11:08:33 AM
Sky lose USPGA rights. Some live men's golf coming to terrestrial TV  :o
Yanks showing more sense than the R&A. Who'd have thought it?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Madbadteacher on July 20, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a US winner at the Open. People might deride them as bomb-pitch-putt guys on courses with rough as smooth as a snooker table, but just to get on the USPGA tour you're competing against probably thousands, so you've got to have some skills.
Don't get me wrong I HATE that style of golf you see week in and week out these days, seems like most of 'em just carry a driver 12 wedges and a putter! I'd like to see Birkdale hold up and we have a winner at about 6 under par.

I see that Spieth has just finished at 5 under.........maybe my hopes are dashed already, he's missed a lot of fairways but no bogeys, suggests the penalty for missing fairways (used to be called rough in my days but these days it's about as rough as my bumfluff used to be) isn't as bad as it should be.

Onyway, I'll be up at stupid-O'clock every morning watching this and the TDF tomorrow (before work) and all weekend.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Three Crazz on July 23, 2017, 01:45:47 PM
Garry Player   81. Not his score but his age  listening to him on Radio Scotland Sports sound With Richard Gordon , brilliant
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 23, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
This will be remembered as the faggot Open.

Pity cos it's the best course in the world and it's been staggeringly great for the first 3 days.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 23, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Well well, that last hour and a half was incredible.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: MDred on July 24, 2017, 01:12:29 PM
The Open

1st - Adam Scott 30/1
2nd - Kuchar 60/1
3rd Soren Kjeldsen 150/1

That's it
Hope you had a few quid on that 2nd spot GG.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 24, 2017, 02:10:24 PM
Hope you had a few quid on that 2nd spot GG.
i did, disappointing not to get the big pay day on that one though.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 29, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
Question for LA Don...

Do you live out there? Thinking of coming out to LAX in September and staying around the Beverly Hills area. Was wondering if you could give me advice of must sees when we're out. Never been to California before.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 30, 2017, 06:39:40 PM
Lived in LA over 12 years. There is so much to do here, you can be a tourist with the sightseeing etc. or you can do music, sport, art, the beach etc. All depends on your interests. If you get a chance go and watch a Galaxy game - I'd be interested on your take on their stadium and the level of play. I've done a couple of coaching courses and played at the Stub Hub facility, pretty cool venue, but haven't been to a game sine Beckham left.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 30, 2017, 10:33:06 PM
Thanks LA. Was thinking about coming over for the Walker Cup. Still up in the air.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on October 02, 2017, 02:40:16 PM
Played Monifeith for the first time yesterday, rather spiffing I'd say. Will be back.

The 3x clubhouses put the 3 links clubs here to shame as well, plus a fantastic venison pie to finish. Fit fine  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 02, 2017, 03:51:13 PM
Played Monifeith for the first time yesterday, rather spiffing I'd say. Will be back.

The 3x clubhouses put the 3 links clubs here to shame as well, plus a fantastic venison pie to finish. Fit fine  :thumbsup:

Monifieth is a good track and from your enthusiasm for the catering, I'm guessing you went to the clubhouse furthest from the car park, as the food is superb in there (Monifieth GC I think). Same caterer who does the Carnoustie GC where I'll be eating this week at the Dunhill. Fuck paying on-course prices for a substandard burger when you can get a quality sit doon meal for less.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on October 03, 2017, 12:42:06 PM
Monifieth is a good track and from your enthusiasm for the catering, I'm guessing you went to the clubhouse furthest from the car park, as the food is superb in there (Monifieth GC I think). Same caterer who does the Carnoustie GC where I'll be eating this week at the Dunhill. Fuck paying on-course prices for a substandard burger when you can get a quality sit doon meal for less.
Actually the middle one, the Broughty. We had no choice, it was a 4BBB open, but apparently the clubs take turns at "hosting" so that they cut costs when it's not that busy.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on October 23, 2017, 07:54:49 PM
Down in guffland the club captain generally gets courtesy of other courses during his spell in office. Some take advantage of the supposed privilege. This guy is soemthing else....
http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/features/the-game/club-captain-leaves-awful-tripadvisor-review-declined-courtesy-144010
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
Most club captains are nothings in real life. Aspiring to the position validates them as people. It was the same everywhere.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 24, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
Golf is full of snooty wankers. Just like Tennis.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on March 13, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
Huge changes coming in 2019 to the rules.

Not sure about the flag being in, can see a whole hokey-cokey of "I want it in" & "I want it out" going on.


http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/news/new-golf-rules-2019-152161

https://www.rules.golf/

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on March 13, 2018, 03:44:40 PM
I've just bought an 10M telescopic driver for the two club rule.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 26, 2018, 10:42:55 AM
Monty
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Thomas (Bjorn) is probably looking at the best team that we've had for, well, almost ever. 

That is nonsense from big Colin and if you look at how the American team is shaping up we should be bricking it because that is very possibly their best ever team.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 26, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
That is a nonsensical comment but when you consider WHY he said it, it's very typical of him.

I bet to this day he has no idea why the golfing gods didn't give an insanely great talent like his a major.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 26, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
Loved Monty back in the day for the heart on the sleeve attitude but he should have moved overseas and played on the US tour.  Liked too much to be the big fish in the small pond so he could feel like Mr Important and his lack of courage to test himself against the best on a more regular basis cost him his major.

The team Monty captained at Celtic Manor would have wiped the floor with the team that we put out in Paris this year, regardless of who Bjorn decides to pick as his wildcards.
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Post by: Ten Caat on July 26, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
Bizarre comments from Monty. Good God how can he ever compare what looks like being the European team with  the ones of the mid eighties and early nineties containing the likes of Faldo, Ballesteros, Langer, Lyle, Olazabal and Woosnam is beyond belief. And as said earlier, even the team he captained at Celtic Manor would wipe the slate with that of this year's likelies .

I predict a winning margin for USA of 5 points or greater
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on July 27, 2018, 07:23:11 AM
Loved Monty back in the day for the heart on the sleeve attitude but he should have moved overseas and played on the US tour.  Liked too much to be the big fish in the small pond so he could feel like Mr Important and his lack of courage to test himself against the best on a more regular basis cost him his major.

The team Monty captained at Celtic Manor would have wiped the floor with the team that we put out in Paris this year, regardless of who Bjorn decides to pick as his wildcards.

To be fair he was, at times, treated shamefully by some of the US galleries, and he didn’t have the temperament to deal with it. But why bother. I preferred watching the European tour anyway - more variety of courses. I say “preferred” because Golf has sold its soul and I rarely see any of it now.

Still one of he greatest ever Ryder cup players.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on July 27, 2018, 08:57:40 AM
Still one of he greatest ever Ryder cup players.

Aye, but he's a fat-headed bellend who deserves a club up his hoop.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 27, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
I say “preferred” because Golf has sold its soul 

What do you mean when you say that Kowalski, by it being on Sky?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on July 27, 2018, 07:26:22 PM
What do you mean when you say that Kowalski, by it being on Sky?

Yup. In particular it was poor that the Open went to pay TV. It’ll disappear into obscurity like F1 and cricket.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 27, 2018, 08:29:45 PM
I was always a fan of Monty, but he did come across as an immature sore loser bellend at times, especially didn’t help him that he was a Scot who didn’t sound particularly Scottish. Similar to Sam Torrance and Sandy Lyle, Lyle the better player but big Sam always a fans favorite.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 27, 2018, 08:50:57 PM
The bellendness of Cohlin is equal to the bellendness of Sam.

Sandy Lyle is MILES ahead, both in terms of achievement and personality.

Most of Scotland's pro golfers in my lifetime are bellends.

As are many Scots of course but golf has a disproportionately high ratio.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 27, 2018, 08:54:18 PM
The bellendness of Cohlin is equal to the bellendness of Sam.

Sandy Lyle is MILES ahead, both in terms of achievement and personality.

Most of Scotland's pro golfers in my lifetime are bellends.

As are many Scots of course but golf has a disproportionately high ratio.

While I was in my teens at the time I don’t recall Lyle having much of a personality at all. Came up in recent years if I recall when overlooked for Ryder cup captaincy, his ability to connect with people. I was a Lyle fan, my golf childhood hero, but I always felt Sam was favored by fans because he appeared ‘more Scottish’ and was a more likeable guy.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 27, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
While I was in my teens at the time I don’t recall Lyle having much of a personality at all. Came up in recent years if I recall when overlooked for Ryder cup captaincy, his ability to connect with people. I was a Lyle fan, my golf childhood hero, but I always felt Sam was favored by fans because he appeared ‘more Scottish’ and was a more likeable guy.

You're correct in that Sandy was perceived - or wrongly misinterpreted to be strictly accurate - as lacking in depth of personality but that of itself is one of the biggest problems in the Scottish psyche.

Some humans respect achievement more than "likeability". Most of us who work in results-based fields don't put a great deal of value in their interpersonal skills when, to be frank in an individual sport and pursuit, it's totally unimportant.

Bob Torrance nailed his own son perfectly. He was always more interested in the fame rather than working hard to get success. A lazy underachieving arsehole in other words.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 28, 2018, 12:01:08 PM
Some humans respect achievement more than "likeability". Most of us who work in results-based fields don't put a great deal of value in their interpersonal skills when, to be frank in an individual sport and pursuit, it's totally unimportant.

I think in today's media driven world it is much more important than in the past Rocket.

Sportsmen that are willing to give the press their time and can come across as likeable/approachable generally get a better ride from the media.  Andy Murray has gradually learnt this after a tough start and it seems like on the whole most people now back him and want him to be successful. 

Others who go out of their way to be particularly arrogant and non-compliant with the press are the first ones that the press stick the knife into when things go wrong.  The press have so much influence over how people are perceived by the public that it can make life very difficult if sportsmen don't have them on their side.
 
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 28, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
Yup. In particular it was poor that the Open went to pay TV. It’ll disappear into obscurity like F1 and cricket.

I agree that it's disappointing when these big events end up on pay TV, sadly money talks.  I remember when the Scottish fitba moved from the BBC to Setanta and I think it was the worst mistake they made.  On the face of it, it looks like our game may be slowly on the up but loss of interest in the game with it being on an obscure channel IMO set us back years.

Has to be said though on the golf that the Sky coverage is light years ahead of where the BBC were with it.

 
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 28, 2018, 01:30:07 PM
I think in today's media driven world it is much more important than in the past Rocket.

Sportsmen that are willing to give the press their time and can come across as likeable/approachable generally get a better ride from the media.  Andy Murray has gradually learnt this after a tough start and it seems like on the whole most people now back him and want him to be successful. 

Others who go out of their way to be particularly arrogant and non-compliant with the press are the first ones that the press stick the knife into when things go wrong.  The press have so much influence over how people are perceived by the public that it can make life very difficult if sportsmen don't have them on their side.

I think we are in danger of confusing the debate.

This man said it best -  That's been one of my mantras - focus and simplicity. Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains. Steve Jobs

Media and press attention etc. and how the golfer is perceived is one thing. How they perform is another.

Public opinion matters to those who want to be liked but it doesn't to those with different priorities.

I'm just watching David Drysdale just now. He has had next to NO press attention over the years. It's like you're talking from the perspective of a management company (where public perception can help with sponsorship opportunities) and I'm coming at it as a performance coach.

We were discussing Sandy Lyle, probably the best Scottish golfer in our lifetimes. In fact, there is no question about it, he is. I can assure you that his failure to be selected as a Ryder Cup captain had nothing to do with media portrayals and public perception and everything to do with him as a person. He is basically a shy man who doesn't have the leadership skills that the role requires and therefore how good a golfer he was is of no consequence.

Having said that, I think Thomas Bjorn is a big mistake for that role but really, who else was available? Bjorn is at least popular amongst his peers and yet comes over as drole and one-dimensional in front of the cameras. Like a Scandinavian in fact, if we are allowed a generalism.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 28, 2018, 01:33:20 PM
I agree that it's disappointing when these big events end up on pay TV, sadly money talks.  I remember when the Scottish fitba moved from the BBC to Setanta and I think it was the worst mistake they made.  On the face of it, it looks like our game may be slowly on the up but loss of interest in the game with it being on an obscure channel IMO set us back years.

Has to be said though on the golf that the Sky coverage is light years ahead of where the BBC were with it.

Mixed messages here.

It is a disaster for golf in the UK that the BBC have been trumped by Sky. This is the biggest mistake of judgement the R & A have ever made so whether the presentation is better, light years better, the same or worse is unimportant. It is the limited exposure and the vastly-reduced TV audience numbers that will accelerate the already declining - and in my opinion, terminal - trend.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 28, 2018, 06:59:38 PM
I think we are in danger of confusing the debate.

This man said it best -  That's been one of my mantras - focus and simplicity. Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains. Steve Jobs

Media and press attention etc. and how the golfer is perceived is one thing. How they perform is another.

Public opinion matters to those who want to be liked but it doesn't to those with different priorities.

I'm just watching David Drysdale just now. He has had next to NO press attention over the years. It's like you're talking from the perspective of a management company (where public perception can help with sponsorship opportunities) and I'm coming at it as a performance coach.

We were discussing Sandy Lyle, probably the best Scottish golfer in our lifetimes. In fact, there is no question about it, he is. I can assure you that his failure to be selected as a Ryder Cup captain had nothing to do with media portrayals and public perception and everything to do with him as a person. He is basically a shy man who doesn't have the leadership skills that the role requires and therefore how good a golfer he was is of no consequence.

Having said that, I think Thomas Bjorn is a big mistake for that role but really, who else was available? Bjorn is at least popular amongst his peers and yet comes over as drole and one-dimensional in front of the cameras. Like a Scandinavian in fact, if we are allowed a generalism.

Of course, as a sportsman you would always wish to be the guy holding the trophy instead of just being the fans favorite.  However in this day and age I think that being popular with the press and public can often have a big impact on success or lack of it.

Where these modern players in golf, fitba, tennis, whatever, are constantly in press conferences, doing interviews and involved in the social media world I reckon being hated does no one any good whatsoever and especially during the bad times.  Popularity with the press buys you a little more time before the vultures turn on you during a bad spell and having the crowd on your side can often make a massive difference to the outcome. 

Back on Sandy Lyle, I honestly think he was just a little unlucky at missing out on Ryder Cup captaincy because there were so many candidates of about the same age.  By the time Faldo, Woosie, Langer, Seve, Olazabal, Monty and Torrance had a go Sandy was just a bit too detached from the main tour by then to figure.  One of those was likely to miss out and he was the unlucky one.





Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 28, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
Mixed messages here.

It is a disaster for golf in the UK that the BBC have been trumped by Sky. This is the biggest mistake of judgement the R & A have ever made so whether the presentation is better, light years better, the same or worse is unimportant. It is the limited exposure and the vastly-reduced TV audience numbers that will accelerate the already declining - and in my opinion, terminal - trend.

No mixed message - shame the Open is now on Sky but if you are willing to pay for it the coverage is great.

The game has been on it's knees for the last few years, it will pick up again.  Losing one week's golf in the year to Sky will not be the end.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 28, 2018, 08:07:14 PM
The game has been on it's knees for the last few years, it will pick up again.

What do you mean by this and what's going to change for it to "pick up again"?


Losing one week's golf in the year to Sky will not be the end.

The Open on BBC inspired many great champions. It's not just "one week". It's the pinnacle of the game.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 29, 2018, 01:34:52 AM
You're correct in that Sandy was perceived - or wrongly misinterpreted to be strictly accurate - as lacking in depth of personality but that of itself is one of the biggest problems in the Scottish psyche.

Some humans respect achievement more than "likeability". Most of us who work in results-based fields don't put a great deal of value in their interpersonal skills when, to be frank in an individual sport and pursuit, it's totally unimportant.

Bob Torrance nailed his own son perfectly. He was always more interested in the fame rather than working hard to get success. A lazy underachieving arsehole in other words.

I think this brings us back to Tiger. Never liked the guy, always thought he was a cunt, always wanted him to lose, much like my feelings towards England and the old firm. All came down to disliking him, no other reason than I though he was a prick. Super player though. Same with Steve Davis and Nick Faldo, but in later years I’ve totally flipped on them and like them both. Much like Andy Murray, both put the effort in to be more likeable and saw the value in that. I’d say I’m a typical fan who values likeability, it is ‘entertainment’ after all and most people like the guys they want to win. Funnily, my tennis childhood hero was MacEnroe, another cunt!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 29, 2018, 01:51:02 AM
I think this brings us back to Tiger. Never liked the guy, always thought he was a cunt, always wanted him to lose, much like my feelings towards England and the old firm. All came down to disliking him, no other reason than I though he was a prick. Super player though. Same with Steve Davis and Nick Faldo, but in later years I’ve totally flipped on them and like them both. Much like Andy Murray, both put the effort in to be more likeable and saw the value in that. I’d say I’m a typical fan who values likeability, it is ‘entertainment’ after all and most people like the guys they want to win. Funnily, my tennis childhood hero was MacEnroe, another cunt!

Well that's one view I guess. I never wanted anyone to win or lose at golf. I reckoned the golfing gods would determine the winner and I was happy just to watch the drama unfold.

As a teenager, I loved McEnroe and I wanted him to win too but as you said, it had nothing to do with "likeability". I don't agree that he was a cunt though. He was passionate and determined, qualities I could relate to. Seve was a total cunt who despised women but that didn't matter to my appreciating his art.

The true champion is dedicated to his craft. The PR and media stuff is just shite.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 29, 2018, 02:12:21 AM
My opinion is basically that of a kid, Davis Lyle Faldo MacEnroe etc were all athletes I knew of in my childhood. Although as an adult I thought Woods was a prick and I’ve seen enough of MacEnroe over here that he’s a bit of a tool too. As kids I think we go by likeability, as adults some of us form opinions based on personality, likeability, ability, respect etc.

Wanting people to lose is a trait most Scots have I think, wanting England to lose, the old firm etc. we’re a miserable lot really. I’d relate it to wanting the underdog to win, so you do want the favorites, in turn, to lose.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 29, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
What do you mean by this and what's going to change for it to "pick up again"?


The Open on BBC inspired many great champions. It's not just "one week". It's the pinnacle of the game.

Golf club member numbers have been plummeting for years now and it's mainly due to the time a round takes not because Sky have the TV rights.

There are a lot of new ideas being tried to get more people playing the game again, shorter formats, rule simplification etc and in time it will help interest in the game to pick up again.

The Open is the pinnacle of the game, yes, but it is basically the only golf that the BBC has had left since losing the Masters properly to Sky three or four years ago. So what I mean is that if there was only one week's golf on mainstream tele anyway then losing it is not the be all and end all.

Let's face it. There is no fitba on TV unless you pay for it but the game is not dying because of it. If you want to watch it you will pay for it otherwise you will be a miserable bastard and moan about it.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 29, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
Golf club member numbers have been plummeting for years now and it's mainly due to the time a round takes not because Sky have the TV rights.

There are a lot of new ideas being tried to get more people playing the game again and in time it will pick up again.

That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you're missing the biggest reason for the declining levels of golf participation in the UK, unlike other parts of Europe where golf is growing, in Italy quite dramatically (a fifteen fold increase in golf courses in and around Rome in the last 25 years) and will explode again now that Molinari won the Open.

Golf has always taken time to play 18 holes. The length of time it takes was mooted as an excuse by some when the horse had bolted, when the authorities finally got round to surveying former members, 30 years after they had ignored the evidence in front of their faces. In fact, even this decade they lied about participation levels, saying that membership had gone down but the number of rounds being played was stable due to the shifting patterns and there being (what they called) "nomadic golfers".

These six hole and nine hole initiatives have yet to take hold and in my opinion will not make a blind bit of difference whilst the governing bodies continue to delude themselves and deny the real core issue that is killing golf.


The Open is the pinnacle of the game, yes, but it is basically the only golf that the BBC has had left since losing the Masters three or four years ago. So what I mean is that if there was only one week's golf on mainstream tele anyway then losing it is not the be all and end all.

Let's face it. There is no fitba on TV unless you pay for it but folk pay for it if they want to see it.

Football is suffering the exact same core issue and what coverage there is or isn't on telly today can't affect the damage that has already been done. It's too late. The mismanagement has been gross. Without grass roots, without kids participation levels being robust, there is no future.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 30, 2018, 12:34:45 PM
It's interesting you mention grass roots Rocket, not sure if you meant just the fitba or golf as well, doesn't matter but...

the Clubgolf thing has been very successful in some golf clubs at encouraging more youngsters to take up the game and to help increase numbers of junior members.

Golfs "problem" area for me is the lack of golfers in the 20-50 year old age bracket and it's those in that area with young families and work commitments where the time that  it takes to get round the course puts folk off playing.  I know many folk that played a lot of golf as juniors but just don't have the time once kids come on the go to spent four hours plus on the golf course each weekend.

Yes, it's always taken the same of length of time to play a round but younger people simply have more time pressures that they had in years gone by.

If you look at the number of folk playing golf regularly most of them are 50+.  It's becoming an old man's game, maybe that's how it will be going forward, a game that you pick up later in life.

Also don't underestimate the Tiger effect.  His time out of the game has had a MASSIVE effect on the viewing figures for TV golf and probably therefore had a knock on effect on participation levels.  Hopefully folk might start taking an interest again now he is back.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on July 30, 2018, 01:55:35 PM
The problem for me growing up was the pretentious golf wanks that riddled the local club. Cunts that took themselves too seriously and looked down upon you for having 4 clubs and a shite bag. Golf seemed to surround itself with complete and utter dicks. It wasn't until I was older that I realised that actually most folks were alright and that the wanks were in the minority and could be easily ignored for the insecure thick fucks that they were. That said, it wasn't too many years ago that a golf wank asked me why I wasn't wearing a collar, at Portlethen* golf course. That pathetic dress-code shite is disgusting and absolutely put me off as a child. Posh-minks invoking snobbery cause it's the only opportunity they get. I was able to walk away with a smile because he was such a pathetic little cunt (and he had his kid with him).

*Portlethen, about £30 odd quid for a round, completely empty and devoid of any charm whatsoever. Long, flat, with little or no redeeming features. Ugly as sin, characterless, shite. I suppose the clue was in the location, but there you go.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 30, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
The problem for me growing up was the pretentious golf wanks that riddled the local club. Cunts that took themselves too seriously and looked down upon you for having 4 clubs and a shite bag. Golf seemed to surround itself with complete and utter dicks. It wasn't until I was older that I realised that actually most folks were alright and that the wanks were in the minority and could be easily ignored for the insecure thick fucks that they were. That said, it wasn't too many years ago that a golf wank asked me why I wasn't wearing a collar, at Portlethen* golf course. That pathetic dress-code shite is disgusting and absolutely put me off as a child. Posh-minks invoking snobbery cause it's the only opportunity they get. I was able to walk away with a smile because he was such a pathetic little cunt (and he had his kid with him).

*Portlethen, about £30 odd quid for a round, completely empty and devoid of any charm whatsoever. Long, flat, with little or no redeeming features. Ugly as sin, characterless, shite. I suppose the clue was in the location, but there you go.

I think some clubs are slowly starting to realise that the dress code shite is ridiculous and are beginning to relax it a wee bit just like the no women rules.  Guys like Ricky Fowler wearing his "high tops" appeal to the youngsters as well which helps.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: tamzarian on July 30, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
That said, it wasn't too many years ago that a golf wank asked me why I wasn't wearing a collar, at Portlethen* golf course.

TBF I was seething the other day when I spotted some c*nt wearing a Liverpool shirt on the course.  Mind you, it's Norway, there's some c*nt in a Liverpool shirt pretty much everywhere. 

One-off rounds in places like Porty can be a rip-aff, but if you're playing regularly, it can be great value in the north east - 250 quid to join Huntly as a new member.  I suppose the beauty of golf in Scotland, the sheer quantity of courses, can be a weakness in tough times.  Every wee village has a club, sometimes in places so wee that it's the only licenced premises.  It's a real shame if they end up shutting down.   
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Elgindon on July 30, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
The problem for me growing up was the pretentious golf wanks that riddled the local club. Cunts that took themselves too seriously and looked down upon you for having 4 clubs and a shite bag. Golf seemed to surround itself with complete and utter dicks. It wasn't until I was older that I realised that actually most folks were alright and that the wanks were in the minority and could be easily ignored for the insecure thick fucks that they were. That said, it wasn't too many years ago that a golf wank asked me why I wasn't wearing a collar, at Portlethen* golf course. That pathetic dress-code shite is disgusting and absolutely put me off as a child. Posh-minks invoking snobbery cause it's the only opportunity they get. I was able to walk away with a smile because he was such a pathetic little cunt (and he had his kid with him).

*Portlethen, about £30 odd quid for a round, completely empty and devoid of any charm whatsoever. Long, flat, with little or no redeeming features. Ugly as sin, characterless, shite. I suppose the clue was in the location, but there you go.

 Agree re Portlethen,a tidy but drab course.Try Stoney after 5pm thru the week = £15 a round. Auchenblae's a pleasant amble if you cant be arsed with a full round(a wee bit rawch,but nice spot).
   Anyone up on the Moray coast that hasnt got time for a full round may not be aware of a tidy wee 9 holer called Covesea, between Lossie and Hopeman,right on the coast
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 30, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
the Clubgolf thing has been very successful in some golf clubs at encouraging more youngsters to take up the game and to help increase numbers of junior members.

That's factually incorrect. ClubGolf was a disaster and the money spent on it compared to the impact it had was shocking. Even ScottishGolf, formerly the Scottish Golf Union admit this now.

Where are you getting your information and what gives you the confidence to post like you know anything at all about the subject?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 31, 2018, 09:07:31 AM
If you had read what I wrote you would have noticed that I said that it was very successful in "some" clubs, which it has been.

I am not saying it has been a roaring success compared to what has been invested.

Have a read of the attached, it's not all doom and gloom.

https://www.scottishgolf.org/clubgolf-success-continues-across-highlands-islands/

I would be surprised if anyone at the SGU has said it has been a disaster.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 09:38:43 AM
If you had read what I wrote you would have noticed that I said that it was very successful in "some" clubs, which it has been.

I am not saying it has been a roaring success compared to what has been invested.

Have a read of the attached, it's not all doom and gloom.

https://www.scottishgolf.org/clubgolf-success-continues-across-highlands-islands/

I would be surprised if anyone at the SGU has said it has been a disaster.

The word "disaster" was mine. That is was a failure is a fact, one acknowledged by the governing body, particularly as the CEO who implemented it is now long gone. That article was published by the implementing party. You know how politics work, right?

Participation levels by schoolchildren is now at critcally low levels. The only clubs that have robust junior memberships - and they are very few in Scotland - have so because of the enthusiasm and dedication of local volunteers, often including parents. Plastic oversized clubs in primary school hands for less than half an hour was a box ticking exercise, it cost us (not just golf members but tax-payers too) seven figures and it failed to attract business.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
The problem for me growing up was the pretentious golf wanks that riddled the local club. Cunts that took themselves too seriously and looked down upon you for having 4 clubs and a shite bag. Golf seemed to surround itself with complete and utter dicks. It wasn't until I was older that I realised that actually most folks were alright and that the wanks were in the minority and could be easily ignored for the insecure thick fucks that they were. That said, it wasn't too many years ago that a golf wank asked me why I wasn't wearing a collar, at Portlethen* golf course. That pathetic dress-code shite is disgusting and absolutely put me off as a child. Posh-minks invoking snobbery cause it's the only opportunity they get. I was able to walk away with a smile because he was such a pathetic little cunt (and he had his kid with him).

*Portlethen, about £30 odd quid for a round, completely empty and devoid of any charm whatsoever. Long, flat, with little or no redeeming features. Ugly as sin, characterless, shite. I suppose the clue was in the location, but there you go.

This is particularly relevant. In the 70's when I grew up, kids were actively discouraged by these small men in big committees. There was pressure on use of the course back then because kids wanted to play at the same times as the adults so on Saturdays we had to wait until mid to late afternoon to get on to Hazlehead. Some of the more enterprising of us got out of our beds at 4 am to queue for a time for the mannies when the box opened, for which we got a fiver, an absolute fortune back then.

Even the fact that many more kids were playing golf in the 70's and 80's and that they were seen as a nuisance by the golf wanks doesn't touch the problem. Kids will always find a way to scratch their itches.

The biggest influencing factor on less kids participating in golf and football has been sedentary lifestyles and the introduction of computer games, the internet and smartphones.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Mixed messages here.

It is a disaster for golf in the UK that the BBC have been trumped by Sky. This is the biggest mistake of judgement the R & A have ever made so whether the presentation is better, light years better, the same or worse is unimportant. It is the limited exposure and the vastly-reduced TV audience numbers that will accelerate the already declining - and in my opinion, terminal - trend.
Absolutely totally and utterly agree. Blinkered clueless thinking from the R&A. "Oh we've got £10m, think what we can do with that" they parroted.

Well unless it's to provide free golf for kids, fuck all mate.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on July 31, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
The biggest influencing factor on less kids participating in golf and football has been sedentary lifestyles and the introduction of computer games, the internet and smartphones.

I'm not convinced by the computer games thing. I had a computer when I was a kid and used it heaps. Kids before me watched TV a lot. I spent a lot of time indoors. However, I also had free access to lots of outdoor space to hit a golf ball or play fitba. Space which I could walk or cycle to without being run over (actually, I did get hit by a car on my bike once, but that was an isolated incident probably). There was a definite safety in numbers aspect too, to ward off the molesters (actually, I did get moles...). I think the problem these days is development. Green space is removed and housing developments are completely unplanned with housing profit the only required outcome. Any green space that does is exist is now usually in the form of a plastic pitch that is either pay-to-access or by appointment as it were. Derelict green space is usually behind housing away from the visibility and (perceived) safety. Football has now moved into a highly organised activity with paid-for coaching and often difficult-to-get spaces for all kids. Housing estates are thin roads with cars parked either side, so unless you or yer mates have a big garden that the parents don't mind you using, then the audi owners (I have one) will be out in force to ensure that you don't hit their precious metal box. All spontenaity is gone. Parents have to take their kids to play, and if the parents can't be arsed the kids can conveniantly be placed in front of a computer (I think the rise in computer use has as much to do with ease for parents as it has with addiction in kids). Kids don't just turn up at their mates houses, they go on fucking "play-dates". Phones are definitely an issue, and I suspect it promotes a poor attention span, but it's clearly as much of an issue in parents as it is children (not that you were saying otherwise). I'm happy to admit that I could be speaking shite, but planning and design of our living communities is the actual issue in my opinion. Computers are just a fallback.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
Also don't underestimate the Tiger effect.  His time out of the game has had a MASSIVE effect on the viewing figures for TV golf and probably therefore had a knock on effect on participation levels.  Hopefully folk might start taking an interest again now he is back.
Rubbish. Only in America.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
Agree re Portlethen,a tidy but drab course.
Portlethen is lucky we have Westhill GC to stop it claiming the crown of worst golf course in the north east.  :hammer:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
No mixed message - shame the Open is now on Sky but if you are willing to pay for it the coverage is great.

The game has been on it's knees for the last few years, it will pick up again.  Losing one week's golf in the year to Sky will not be the end.
Nope, you're missing the point.

Kids ape what they see. Wimbledon is on, suddenly you see kids out in the street with tennis rackets.

Golf used to have half a dozen ordinary tournaments, plus the 4 majors on BBC, and in the 80s the game boomed because of it, driven by the success of Lyle, Faldo, Woosie and the Ryder Cup teams.

The timeline of decline coincides nicely with tournaments going to Sky, it's been great for the pros, especially in America, but for participation it's been horrific.

Companies spend billions on marketing because it works, by accepting the short term Sky $$$, the R&A abdicated responsibility for the wellbeing of the game, probably because they are a bunch of old duffers with no idea about media presence and advertising.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on July 31, 2018, 11:13:55 AM
Portlethen is lucky we have Westhill GC to stop it claiming the crown of worst golf course in the north east.  :hammer:

I think we can all agree that Westhill is a shite location for any sort of sporting activity....

Although Westhill has that great hole that you play at a 45degree angle along its narrow length. I actually, marginally, prefer Westhill to Portlethen by virtue of the fact that the A90 doesn't run right by it.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 11:16:38 AM
I think we can all agree that Westhill is a shite location for any sort of sporting activity....
...weeeeell, there's that "sport" initiated by the planting of pampas grass  :thumbsup: (allegedly)
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 11:31:20 AM
Sedentary lifestyles was my principal point, computer games merely one example I gave.

You make a good point about green land. We got thrown off every available bit of grass in the city (playing football and golf) but in golf, all the municipal courses are underused and they could get on there. Season passes for kids are still affordable.

It's the will to get off their fat obese arses that's preventing them and I totally agree that shite lazy parenting is another contributory factor. We are now seeing the evidence of the slow decline of Scottish golf in the professional ranks just as we are seeing in football of course and both for the exact same reason.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 31, 2018, 11:36:24 AM
Nope, you're missing the point.

Kids ape what they see. Wimbledon is on, suddenly you see kids out in the street with tennis rackets.

Golf used to have half a dozen ordinary tournaments, plus the 4 majors on BBC, and in the 80s the game boomed because of it, driven by the success of Lyle, Faldo, Woosie and the Ryder Cup teams.

The timeline of decline coincides nicely with tournaments going to Sky, it's been great for the pros, especially in America, but for participation it's been horrific.


I am possibly younger than you Garlogie, don't know.  But the four majors haven't been on BBC for as long as I can remember.

The earliest US Open I can recall for example I think was when Tom Kite won, back in 92 and that was on Sky, as was the US PGA at that time which was 26 years ago.

You may think the "Tiger effect" is rubbish but golf was booming here when he was at his peak around 2000 and by then most of the golf was on Sky bar the Masters, Open and PGA at Wentworth.  The downturn coincides more with Tiger's demise than with golf moving away from the BBC.

I don't dispute that lack of TV coverage on mainstream tele affects kids taking up the game but most kids nowadays have Sky in the house so its effect is not as great as some would make out.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on July 31, 2018, 12:46:06 PM
I am possibly younger than you Garlogie, don't know.  But the four majors haven't been on BBC for as long as I can remember.

The earliest US Open I can recall for example I think was when Tom Kite won, back in 92 and that was on Sky, as was the US PGA at that time which was 26 years ago.

You may think the "Tiger effect" is rubbish but golf was booming here when he was at his peak around 2000 and by then most of the golf was on Sky bar the Masters, Open and PGA at Wentworth.  The downturn coincides more with Tiger's demise than with golf moving away from the BBC.

I don't dispute that lack of TV coverage on mainstream tele affects kids taking up the game but most kids nowadays have Sky in the house so its effect is not as great as some would make out.
Sorry, no, golf was not booming around 2000. And you've made my point perfectly regarding majors, SKY came along, started hoovering up torunaments, participation went down. 

Golf was booming in the 80s, at a time when locally we built Newmacher, Portlethen & Peterculter, and Alford, Newburgh, Oldmeldrum, Kintore, Kemnay & Insch went to 18 holes, and clubs had waiting lists everywhere.

By 2000 the decline was well underway. I went to an SGU presentation about 5 years ago a large part of which was how were we to recover from the "lost generation" of golfers. The downward slide of active golfers since the mid-80s was clear, and in contrast to the boom in USA & rest of the world, which *was* Tiger driven.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on July 31, 2018, 05:02:59 PM
That's interesting Garlogie, I never knew that the decline had started as far back as then.  Most of the golf clubs round about me still had waiting lists until fairly recently but have struggled more for members in the last 5 or 6 years.




Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
In 1975, the school I had just moved to, Hazlehead Academy, with 1,000 pupils, located next door to a golf course, one of the best in the world, designed by probably THE best golf course architect in history, couldn't raise a 4 man team for the De Beers national school championship because only 3 of us played golf.

Golf exploded in the second half of the 70's and it was COLOUR television, that new innovation that helped to boost popularity. It was never a mainstream sport before then but the decline over the last 25/30 years has been steady and consistent, so much so that it will become a marginal sport again unless the governing bodies have the courage to look in the mirror and confront the truth.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: LA-Don on July 31, 2018, 11:37:35 PM
Taking a different direction, what will increase golf interest? Had this discussion with a bunch of friends over a few pints the other day, many of the friends being American. They compared this debate to tennis, where the USA has pretty much dropped off the world map in men’s tennis. They were talking about team tennis and golf, tiebreaker sets in tennis, par 3 tournaments, etc. I recall the golf World Cup being two players, but would having europena tournaments be more interesting, 3-5 man teams, Scotland playing England Ireland etc?? In the generation of zero attention span the games need to be livelier, more exciting, and shorter. Sadly instant gratification attracts this generation. Totally goes against the purists obviously.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 11:44:21 PM
The column inches is newspapers are telling. Yeah yeah I know, no intelligent people read newspapers these days but I do see them every so often... like tonight in fact.

On my way back from day one of the Scottish Amateur at Blairgowrie, and it was looking magnificent by the way, I popped into a pub for one. The P & J had golf coverage, as it always majored on on Tuesdays but if you look at golf inches in the mainstream printed press these days, including the Sunday Times, golf has already been marginalised.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 31, 2018, 11:46:28 PM
Good question LA, one that the governing bodies are asking too late.

I don't think they can do anything quite frankly. It's the people who have changed. The game was always thus.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 01, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
In 1975, the school I had just moved to, Hazlehead Academy, with 1,000 pupils, located next door to a golf course, one of the best in the world, designed by probably THE best golf course architect in history, couldn't raise a 4 man team for the De Beers national school championship because only 3 of us played golf.

Golf exploded in the second half of the 70's and it was COLOUR television, that new innovation that helped to boost popularity. It was never a mainstream sport before then but the decline over the last 25/30 years has been steady and consistent, so much so that it will become a marginal sport again unless the governing bodies have the courage to look in the mirror and confront the truth.
Aye you're probably right, you're a fair bit older than me I think, but I seem to recall when I was little golf was viewed much like Bowls - "a game for aul' mannies" - it sure looks like it's going there again. Very sad.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 01, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
Was 56 last week, have been playing golf for over 50 years, first watched pro golf in 1968 (Lee Trevino) and have worked in golf for 12 years. So yes, been around the block a bit. It was always too elitist and exclusive before the boom years from the mid 70's, women and children being tolerated but not encouraged.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on August 01, 2018, 05:36:13 PM
Was 56 last week

Many happy, belated, returns









ye al cunt.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Elgindon on August 01, 2018, 06:31:53 PM
 Other reasons to factor in are golf just being in a cycle.Hillwalking(my pastime) 20/30 years ago had lots of teens/twenty somethings on the hills,10 years ago we were asking where the heck are they all? 
 Back to crawling with the blighters these days.
 Add in smaller families,and replacement incomers not being too Golf orientated
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 02, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Other reasons to factor in are golf just being in a cycle.Hillwalking(my pastime) 20/30 years ago had lots of teens/twenty somethings on the hills,10 years ago we were asking where the heck are they all? 
 Back to crawling with the blighters these days.
 Add in smaller families,and replacement incomers not being too Golf orientated
aye, it's currently cycling and running that seem to be the flavour of the day
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 03, 2018, 10:59:12 AM
Ballater 36er this weekend, one of my fave courses, weather looking good. Excited already, COGG!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Obanred on August 05, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
Rory McIlroy.

In my opinion, he is trying to hard.  He is trying to murder every tee shot 400 yds and his putting is, well, very average and hitting putts too hard. I think he needs to go to a centre shafted putter to sort out his wayward putts and go cak handed to get putter through on line.

Ballater 36er is a great day out. Havn't played there for a while though, how is it after the flood? Braemar 36er, if they still do it, is a fine day too.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 05, 2018, 10:40:09 PM
I agree that McIlroy is underperforming but I don't agree with you recommending centre-shafted nor cack-handed. There are personal preferences and NNF's (Non-Negotiable Fundamentals) in putting. Which weapon we use and grip-type is strictly personal preference.

On the latter, McIlroy tried it and it didn't work. The vast majority of best putters even this decade are not cack-handed.

His biggest issue this week has been surprisingly poor distance control with his bread-and-butter approaches, particularly his wedges, just shocking.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Obanred on August 06, 2018, 12:30:39 AM
His distance control has not been the best !!

I still think he is putting too hard, trying to take break out of putts, missing some and leaving 5-6ft + back. Best putters IMO were always die in putters. Jack Nicklaus, Ben Crenshaw spring to mind.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 06, 2018, 01:10:44 AM
So it sounds like you're saying his pace control is out on his putting too. I'm pretty certain the data would not support your impression that he's putting it long all the time. I remember a lot of low and short sides from him at Akron and at The Open, which is what we can expect from a putter low on confidence.

For me it's not so much that he's trying too hard. Rather, he's scared.

He's not won a major for a long time (relatively, for him, given his enormously powerful talent) and he's starting to question whether he'll ever win another. I'm sure that he will, and I'm sure that he's sure that he will but the doubt and the mental scarring is patent now, particularly visible in his interviews when he just bullshits, putting on a mask, softening his tones and adopting a facade of humility. The true winner is ruthless to the core. He's becoming afraid of himself.

And the one thing above all others that is worrying him and may eventually sink him and thwart his ambition is his horrible putting. He doesn't have a clue what he's doing on the greens and is stuck at an impasse having consulted "specialists" who have been unable to connect with him.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Obanred on August 06, 2018, 02:12:29 AM
I think he is hitting his putts too hard at times, so, yes, i suppose, his pace is out for certain putts.

Putting, IMO, is all about confidence, feel & repetition.

He is having to force his game, trying to kill it off the tee and racing putts.  He is an unbelievable talent, but,

perhaps, needs to have a rethink on his general approach ?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 06, 2018, 10:16:10 AM

Ballater 36er is a great day out. Havn't played there for a while though, how is it after the flood? Braemar 36er, if they still do it, is a fine day too.
Greens were great, course a little scruffy, and they recovered very well from the flooding, large squad of members had it back in shape in no time.

Braemar still do their 36er, just one day now though, sign of the times.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 06, 2018, 11:40:14 AM
Putting, IMO, is all about confidence, feel & repetition.

Tom Watson - probably my fav golfer in history - said that putting was 10% mechanics and 90% feel. That was in his book that was published before the invention of the first "golf psychologist", or should I say the first dedicated or labelled golf psychologist because great coaches and players have always recognised the influence of the mind.

I borrowed from that in that I say that putting is 10% technical and 90% mental. However, it is understanding the relationship between the mechanics and the mind that is key.

For example, when you say repetition, you may be referring to consistency of process with regard to the putting stroke itself (technical) or you may be referring to the need to think the same way (mental), or both.

Until we have actually invested hundreds and thousands of hours on the subject, let alone the tens of thousands to hours to become expert in it, we are just enthusiastic amateurs. Thousands of hours playing doesn't equate to hours studying, examining and teaching by the way.

One thing I'm convinced of, your "confidence, feel and repetition" is pretty close to the money and a whole lot closer to the truth than the places McIlroy has been searching in. I reckon that great putters (and great golfers) have big imaginations. Not everyone has the intellectual artistry and mental flexibility to understand the importance of the role of the mind in golf and therefore your words like confidence and feel, not being tangible and therefore not capable of being held in their hands, are unattainable for them.

A "streaky putter" is a poor putter. We have data to prove this. When Rory had his meltdown at Augusta, they showed him in the houses left of the 10th. They don't point out he missed THREE times from 7 feet and less before that and his 4 putt at 12 from 25 feet was a man who's putting confidence had been wrecked. Two months later, he won at Congressional (possibly his first major?) and he putted superb that week, his first (and only) 3 putt coming deep in Rd 4 when he was already as good as victor. When it was Rory v. Luke for OWGR no. 1 at the season-ender in Dubai, Rory putted superbly to blow him away, finishing the tournament with 4 or 5 straight birdies. McIlroy's streaks of good putting are now so infrequent, he's getting nowhere near winning majors.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on August 07, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
I think Rory's biggest issue is that he has lost the hunger for winning and fallen into a comfort zone, a state of contentment with just being a contender.  It's a trait I see in a lot of our players who have tasted success and then lose that bite that first made them top players.  It has happened to McDowell as well since he won the US Open and had that great Ryder Cup year.

I don't know if it's particularly down to the unbelievable amount of money that these guys earn now but it plays its part.  Poulter is another one.  Heard him say the other week that he would not lose any sleep if he did not win a major because he had done some great things in his career.  Surely the major championship should be the be all and end all for a top player?

I get all the stats bit about the putting etc but wanting it more than the next guy is also a massive part of it.  Players like Faldo, Norman, even big Colin as discussed previously would never have settled for second place and the number of wins those players achieved demonstrates that.  At the moment Rory just seems to be happy being there.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 07, 2018, 11:50:56 PM
McIlroy has four majors. Colon Monty has none. Norman got two.

I agree with your point that some sportspeople (inc. golfers) underachieve once they're loaded. I don't think it applies in Rory's case.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 08, 2018, 09:56:27 AM
McIlroy has four majors. Colon Monty has none. Norman got two.

I agree with your point that some sportspeople (inc. golfers) underachieve once they're loaded. I don't think it applies in Rory's case.
I don't think you can claim that was the reason for Monty & Norman underachieving either though, if that's your argument, which I'm not sure it is?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 08, 2018, 10:20:21 AM
I don't think you can claim that was the reason for Monty & Norman underachieving either though, if that's your argument, which I'm not sure it is?

No I never argued that Norman and Colon underachieved by virtue of being discentivised by their already healthy bank balances. I don't even think Monty underachieved. His European Tour and Ryder Cup records were exceptional. He did fail to win majors however and he bottled the best chance he had at the 72nd. Him and Norman did have questionable mentalities in the big ones, Faldo coming from 5 back at Augusta being the most painful for Greg, an ELEVEN shot swing on the day that matters, the Sunday.

In my opinion, DESIRE is the quality above all others that determines success at the highest level. The desire to work harder, the desire to work smarter.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 08, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
Agreed min  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on August 08, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
So Eleven Sports are broadcasting the first two rounds of the USPGA for free through Facebook. Surely not everybody who wants to watch this has Facebook or is tech savvy enough to hunt down a stream. Odd decision by the USGA and Eleven Sports.

Also not clear if they’ll be broadcasting their football rights on a dedicated channel or not.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on August 08, 2018, 08:23:03 PM
Rocket, what do you make of Eddie Pep, seems like a bit of a character, puts out some decent blogs as being quite vocal on twitter.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on August 08, 2018, 08:27:00 PM
So Eleven Sports are broadcasting the first two rounds of the USPGA for free through Facebook. Surely not everybody who wants to watch this has Facebook or is tech savvy enough to hunt down a stream. Odd decision by the USGA and Eleven Sports.

Also not clear if they’ll be broadcasting their football rights on a dedicated channel or not.

Surely it's about grassroots and kids and such like? In which case, plugging it to 40 year olds on Facebook is probably nae the best route.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on August 08, 2018, 08:33:41 PM
Surely it's about grassroots and kids and such like? In which case, plugging it to 40 year olds on Facebook is probably nae the best route.

I’m sure they’re all abuzz with anticipation about watching it through some grainy feed on Facebook.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on August 08, 2018, 08:57:23 PM
I’m sure they’re all abuzz with anticipation about watching it through some grainy feed on Facebook.

Why would it be grainy?
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 08, 2018, 09:15:09 PM
Rocket, what do you make of Eddie Pep, seems like a bit of a character, puts out some decent blogs as being quite vocal on twitter.

Excellent golfer and his direct and forthright nature is good for the game.

Being twice his age however, I cringe at some of his posturing. Like many with talent and riches beyond their dreams - and trust me, he is well beyond his dreams until his Challenge Tour win (on an invite) kick-started him - they think they know everything.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on August 08, 2018, 10:20:57 PM
Excellent golfer and his direct and forthright nature is good for the game.

Being twice his age however, I cringe at some of his posturing. Like many with talent and riches beyond their dreams - and trust me, he is well beyond his dreams until his Challenge Tour win (on an invite) kick-started him - they think they know everything.
I get ya, I've been following his career for a while now, it was after reading a blog of his about bottling a chance at tournament, perhaps 3 years ago, he had a melt down but what he wrote was pretty incredible, he seems to have an arrogance about him that'll help him win plenty but on the other hand could see him fall short too, I like his chances for this weekend.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 08, 2018, 11:55:29 PM
I get ya, I've been following his career for a while now, it was after reading a blog of his about bottling a chance at tournament, perhaps 3 years ago, he had a melt down but what he wrote was pretty incredible, he seems to have an arrogance about him that'll help him win plenty but on the other hand could see him fall short too, I like his chances for this weekend.

Thanks for the tip. Just took a bit of each way on him. I wouldn't have at 66's or 80/1 but that's too good a price to ignore, especially given his last two majors.

When I say he makes me cringe sometimes, it's just that if I'm still learning at more than twice his age (just), he's sometimes too forceful in his views. He expresses his opinions as facts and doesn't appreciate this crucial distinction. He's young, he'll learn. I also thought I knew more than I did at that age.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on August 09, 2018, 08:40:31 AM
Thanks for the tip. Just took a bit of each way on him. I wouldn't have at 66's or 80/1 but that's too good a price to ignore, especially given his last two majors.

When I say he makes me cringe sometimes, it's just that if I'm still learning at more than twice his age (just), he's sometimes too forceful in his views. He expresses his opinions as facts and doesn't appreciate this crucial distinction. He's young, he'll learn. I also thought I knew more than I did at that age.
He was 250/1 at the start of the week which is too big given his form.  Again I get you, I'm the same age as him and I'm definitely still learning.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 09, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
He was 250/1 at the start of the week which is too big given his form.

+3 thru 6.

Note to self: you should've learned by now. Dumbass mistake.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 09, 2018, 03:35:55 PM
McIlroy has a brand new putter this week. Very good idea. If it's working, we don't fix it. If it's not working, the best initial intervention is a new weapon. A change is as good as a rest etc. but looking down on something new implicitly assists forgetting the past, one shot at a time being the most difficult mental challenge in golf.

He's always been a streaky putter but his streaks of good putting have become increasingly less frequent these last 3 years. This change might be coming at exactly the right time, his last chance of a major for 8 months.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 09, 2018, 03:59:06 PM
In the post you deleted kitns, you said that Tiger would be more likely to win a major before Rory.

After only 6 holes of 72 in the final major of 2018, I hope you didn't put money on that. Tiger is shocking.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on August 09, 2018, 05:55:18 PM
Why would it be grainy?

Didn’t even get that far
https://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/tour/uspga-championship/uspga-championship-news/eleven-sports-apologise-for-uspga-championship-tv-chaos-161922
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 10, 2018, 06:54:52 AM
Download the tournament App for perfect coverage.

Well, hardly "perfect". They don't allow us to screen mirror on to our tellies.

Why do that? It wouldn't have cost them to allow it. Cunt Americans.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 11, 2018, 08:07:16 PM
Tiger playing and putting so good. Rory putting so bad.

Shaping up to be a very exciting major. Brookes is class.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on August 11, 2018, 08:09:33 PM
I noticed Eddie has been putting it together again after a poor opening round.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 11, 2018, 08:13:33 PM
I noticed Eddie has been putting it together again after a poor opening round.

Until 2 bogeys in a row right now at 18 & 1, thus jeopardising the each way element.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on August 11, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
Until 2 bogeys in a row right now at 18 & 1, thus jeopardising the each way element.
Argh, I'm not watching so didn't know that as I posted, that's a shame.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 11, 2018, 08:25:06 PM
Argh, I'm not watching so didn't know that as I posted, that's a shame.

You and millions of others. This is the lowest viewing audience of a major in living memory. They're wanting us to subscribe to 11 sports and pay £49 before we can screen mirror. They can fuck off. Watching it on the wife's iPad. Pain in the fucking arse. A fanny pad of a tournament from the coverage point of view.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on August 12, 2018, 01:11:36 PM
You and millions of others. This is the lowest viewing audience of a major in living memory. They're wanting us to subscribe to 11 sports and pay £49 before we can screen mirror. They can fuck off. Watching it on the wife's iPad. Pain in the fucking arse. A fanny pad of a tournament from the coverage point of view.

If you've got a laptop connect it to your tele via an HDMI cable and you should get a crystal clear picture on your TV.

It doesn't get round the annoying American commentary but there's always the mute button  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 13, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
You and millions of others. This is the lowest viewing audience of a major in living memory. They're wanting us to subscribe to 11 sports and pay £49 before we can screen mirror. They can fuck off. Watching it on the wife's iPad. Pain in the fucking arse. A fanny pad of a tournament from the coverage point of view.
The free facebook feed on Thursday & Friday has probably ensured that 11sports will crash and burn before it's even begun. just horrible coverage.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 13, 2018, 01:07:34 PM
The free facebook feed on Thursday & Friday has probably ensured that 11sports will crash and burn before it's even begun. just horrible coverage.

The worst thing was having to select a featured group. I had Tiger on the phone and Brooks on the iPad. It was only when the last group got to the 16th that it resembled normal coverage as we were able to pick the 16th, 17th and 18th featured holes option.

The amount of adverts and the repeating of the same (Bethpage) advert every time you dared to use the phone for something else before getting back on the App was dreadful. Like the R & A selling the Open to Sky, the agenda of maximising immediate profits is diminishing the audience and killing the grass roots in the longer term.

And to the other, yes I do have an HDMI cable but I don't download Apps to my MacBook and as I'm not on Facebook and detest the organisation, I chose not to stream it through my digital telly.

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 14, 2018, 08:41:11 AM
Like the R & A selling the Open to Sky, the agenda of maximising immediate profits is diminishing the audience and killing the grass roots in the longer term.
I've yet to find a single person who agreed with the official line "it's great for growing the game" or fitiver pish it wis they said at the time.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: CtS on September 28, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
Europe battling to stay in touch with the Americans already at Le Golf National. Love the Ryder Cup, hope we can make it a decent contest.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Goldie03 on September 28, 2018, 12:56:03 PM
Molinari is just fabulous  :thumbsup:
Canny believe the Foursomes have started already
C'mon Europe
Rory has to play better
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 12:58:15 PM
Watched every minute since 6.30 and got a 21.35/1 quadruple come up for predicting all 4. Not tempting fate again but did stick on half the winnings on Garcia and Noren to win at evens and got 5.5-2.5 at 9/1
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
Playing McIlroy and dropping Casey this pm the first two massive errors by Bjorn
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 28, 2018, 01:47:01 PM
Thought there would be a Ryder Cup thread all of it's own. Saw what has to be the flukiest shot I've ever seen when Finau walloped the railway sleepers lining the edge of the lake on 16. 99 times out of 100 it shoots back 30 yards into the water. He gets it to bounce softly upwards and ends up 3 feet from the pin. Europe already playing catch up, need at least a 2.5/1.5 win in the foursomes to stay in touch
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 02:17:51 PM
I just backed 4 - 4 at 5/1, after weirdly being able to cash out my 5.5 - 2.5 for my original stake. Singles on Garcia/Noren + Fran/Tommy too.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
It was a freaky bounce for Finau at 16. But 5 feet, not 3!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 03:05:59 PM
Staggering momentum shift this afternoon. 16 - 2 in holes won.

Just realised I was punting on Day 2 correct score. Cashed them all out. Doh!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 28, 2018, 03:22:47 PM
Total shitfest by the Yanks this afternoon, down in all 4 matches and a couple of them could be all over by the 12th or 13th. Fleetwood/Molinari pairing on fire.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: CtS on September 28, 2018, 04:53:34 PM
That’s more like it! Clean sweep is one thing - but the margins of victory will be stressing the yanks out more than anything. A share of the spoils tomorrow would leave us in good shape going into day 3.  8)
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 28, 2018, 09:00:15 PM
The one thing above all others that needs to be addressed is the crowd.

They go on and on about the great atmosphere. It's a fucking awful, contrived "atmosphere", full of stupid costumes, public schoolboy and corporate types who never got into football but who always wanted to be, to feel the communalism and tribalism and the sense of belonging their privileged little lives never had.

It is my recommendation that anyone singing "Ole Ole Ole Ole" etc. or being so sheep and lemming-like to get involved in "Nordic" clapping - a rip off of Iceland in the fitba - then these people should be shot. As for those ya-whoos on the news singing "US are terrified, Rosie's on fire" etc., these cunts should be publicly humiliated by severe deep incisive sodomology by sharp implements with rusted and jagged ends. And then burnt to death live on telly.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Goldie03 on September 29, 2018, 08:25:44 AM
I'm loving the Garcia/McIlroy partnership
Lovely start to a Saturday morning  ;)
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 29, 2018, 08:29:46 AM
I'm loving the Garcia/McIlroy partnership
Lovely start to a Saturday morning  ;)

Molinari and Fleetwood is a good a gooden too
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 29, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
Never ever seen so many top players go for a dook. FFS half an hour ago a hole was haved in triple bogies where the yanks were in the water twice and Europe still couldnt win the hole.

Still the best live sport event of all though
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 30, 2018, 03:08:25 PM
Starting to go a bit tits up for Europe. As it stands they'll cling on for a narrow victory but the Yanks hve points in the bag , Europe's guys with leads are still mid round and have time to be reeled in. Great TV though
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 30, 2018, 05:06:17 PM
A humping.

Monty did say Europe had an exceptional team...
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on January 21, 2019, 12:37:28 PM
This is worth a watch.  Henrik Stenson, comedy gold.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/golf/46925470


Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on January 21, 2019, 08:53:13 PM
European Tour are very good with their social media videos, Eddie Pep is superb in that one.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 10, 2019, 08:57:51 AM
Aberdeen man David Law won the European Tour event just now in style with an eagle at the last. Brilliant performance and well deserved. There are no shortcuts to success. This 27 year old has worked so hard and having witnessed his last 28 holes when he won at Spey Valley last year, he's one of the most improved golfers I've ever seen. So chuffed for him and hopefully a MASSIVE boost for the sport in the North East  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 10, 2019, 04:08:46 PM
Aberdeen man David Law won the European Tour event just now in style with an eagle at the last. Brilliant performance and well deserved. There are no shortcuts to success. This 27 year old has worked so hard and having witnessed his last 28 holes when he won at Spey Valley last year, he's one of the most improved golfers I've ever seen. So chuffed for him and hopefully a MASSIVE boost for the sport in the North East  :thumbsup:
Aye brilliant stuff, and having taken so long to get on tour, amazing that he's not just done well, but won a tournament so soon.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rumpus2 on March 05, 2019, 08:04:02 PM
I took golf lessons a few weeks ago.

Inchmarlo. Good.

Bend my knees slightly more to be less rigid, apart from that my swing is flawless.

Hope it's a summer like last, golfing in NE Scotland is world class when sun shining.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on March 30, 2019, 02:11:43 PM
Rory v Tiger in the WGC Matchplay tonight. Should be worth a watch. Rory seems to have rediscovered the hunger of late. If Woods can keep it in play off the tee it could be a belter.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 30, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
Rory v Tiger in the WGC Matchplay tonight. Should be worth a watch. Rory seems to have rediscovered the hunger of late. If Woods can keep it in play off the tee it could be a belter.

It's on right now! Tiger has shaved the last two holes. His long iron into the par 3 was a thing of wondrous awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on March 30, 2019, 02:19:53 PM
F@#k, thought it would be later. Thanks
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rumpus2 on April 02, 2019, 10:34:04 PM
Played brilliant first outing this year at end of last week.

On advice from Professional when spending a vouchers received at Christmas, I have adapted to a more deliberate keen bend and hip swivel arrangement.

Spent quite a few evenings down at driving range during February/ March mastering what I'd been taught; paid dividends. Literally.

Great feeling receiving money at 19th hole from an annoyed friend. Plus the snappy humiliating remarks to accompany. Roll on this Friday afternoon, same again.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rumpus2 on April 03, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
Almost Friday though...

Teeing off at 3pm. Haven't so much as lifted a club since last Friday, would be a shame to jeopardise this rich vein of form I've struck so early in the season.

 
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Madbadteacher on April 06, 2019, 11:06:36 PM
Tomorrow, Sunday, will be the 40th anniversary of my only hole in one
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 06, 2019, 11:14:40 PM
Tomorrow, Sunday, will be the 40th anniversary of my only hole in one

I've had three since then, and made sure to buy everybody in the clubhouse a drink afterwards.

The first was mid 80's at Carnoustie on a wet winter day, cost me less than a fiver.

The second was at Alford on a midweek afternoon, cost me less than a fiver.

The third was in a medal at my home club in St Andrews about 2005/2006. That cost me £21 as the custom is to put 3 x half bottles on the bar.

It's a monkey off the back, a rite of passage, the hole in one. Great feeling.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 14, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
Wonderful Masters so far, great final day in prospect.  The Tiger effect in full flow, what a difference he makes to a tournament when he is in contention.  Sure it must be having an impact on the viewing figure here, not just in the US.

Got me thinking last night, with all the rule changes this year to get rid of some of golf's petty issues, why on earth do tournament pros have to keep their own scores when there is normally a referee nearby?  Must be the only sport in the world where this happens and where the prospect of winning could be jeopardised by putting the wrong number in a box.  Ridiculous in a sport where modern technology plays such a huge part.



Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 14, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
Molinari produced one of the greatest rounds we've ever seen, relentlessly consistent and beautiful to watch. Ken Broon described it as the best he's ever seen at Augusta. One of my mates, who won on the European Tour back in the day said it was "Probably some of the best golf EVER been played in the history of the game".

This may be the most exciting Masters ever.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on April 14, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
Switched to watching the golf the minute Celtic got their opener. Molinari scrambled well first 7 or 8 holes and with everyone else pretty much bogeying or worse after birdieing and getting close momentarily, looked like Molinari would stroll to a comfortable win. But it's all gone tits up for him in the last hour and after a double bogey on the short 12th, is no longer in the lead....Cantlay just birdied 15 to lead by 1. Oh and now joined there by Schauffele. Woods and Molinari 1 back. Glad I chose the golf looks like it could be an epic finish with the weather starting to worsen as I write.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 14, 2019, 06:09:02 PM
This is the closest Masters in memory. With a number of Tiger's putts coming up short, it would be easy to say he's forgotten how to win or that he's happy to be in contention for the first time in a decade in a major but the simple truth is that's he's the best golfer this century, by miles. Fascinating last six holes awaits.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: minijc on April 14, 2019, 06:45:35 PM
He's just hit the front, there's definitely something burning inside him
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on April 15, 2019, 08:53:36 AM
Natural order restored   :clap:

Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 17, 2019, 05:52:04 PM
I hate Brooks Koepka with a passion. The US PGA is all over, just hand the prat the trophy now.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 18, 2019, 02:59:33 AM
I hate Brooks Koepka with a passion. The US PGA is all over, just hand the prat the trophy now.

I don't get that. What the fuck?

After watching Tommy for all 18 yesterday, we cut across to the 7th and saw him and Tiger hit their approaches. Crowd was too big by then to bother watching their last two but 63, 65, the man is a golfing genius. The principal reason Koepka is prevailing in the modern game is that he's a man. He's got big balls. He's a strong muthafucker unlike the AFC chairman, the AFC manager and most of you AFC supporting pussy pieces of shit.

NYC is a zoo by the way. Full of Americans. And dodgy Oirish gypsy cunt fucks.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 18, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Not disputing his ability, terrific mentality as well, I just don't like him.

After such an exciting Masters a real shame this tournament has a shite leaderboard.

Loved how you got a moan about Stewart Milne into a golf thread though.  :laughing:
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 18, 2019, 02:00:06 PM
Before you state publicly that you "hate with a passion" a person who (presumably) you've never met, there are reasons for this.

You may be ignorant of these reasons. You might not know why you hate him as you don't understand yourself? It might be rooted in jealousy? Perhaps anyone who has supreme self-confidence offends you? Those with great courage may be the ones who prick your sensibilities?

Whatever the reasons, whether you know them or not, it was a bizarre thing to post.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 18, 2019, 05:42:38 PM
How you could suggest that I would be jealous of a ripped, multi-millionaire that averages 308 yards off the tee is ridiculous.  ::)
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 18, 2019, 07:25:49 PM
Before you state publicly that you "hate with a passion" a person who (presumably) you've never met, there are reasons for this.

You may be ignorant of these reasons. You might not know why you hate him as you don't understand yourself? It might be rooted in jealousy? Perhaps anyone who has supreme self-confidence offends you? Those with great courage may be the ones who prick your sensibilities?

Whatever the reasons, whether you know them or not, it was a bizarre thing to post.

Glad you asked this question because it got me thinking and took a while to work out the reason for my irrational deep rooted hatred of Koepka.

Think it is more because of what he represents rather than the man himself if that makes sense.  To me he represents a changing of the guard in the game in that a lot of the golfers I grew up with are no longer dominating the sport.  Possibly that qualifies as jealously, who knows?  It is probably the reality of getting older I guess.  You see it a lot on this forum with people harping back to the 1980s and unwilling to let go of the past.

Secondly, he also represents the new breed of golfer that overpowers a golf course.  They are playing a course of nearly 7,500 yards yet this guy shoots 63, 65.  Golf is officially fucked.  Even if these modern players hit it off line they can still make the green as they are only hitting a 7 or 8 iron from the rough.  You are involved in the game Rocket, does that not worry you where we are going?  The art of shaping the ball seems to have gone, they are alll hitting it straight nowadays and seems to be that the possibility of a real maverick coming through and winning are gone.  We are only ever going to get a champion from a guy that can nail it 300+ yards off every tee and putt well. 

And he is a boring bastard too, not a hint of charisma.

 

 
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 19, 2019, 02:07:29 AM
How you could suggest that I would be jealous of a ripped, multi-millionaire that averages 308 yards off the tee is ridiculous.  ::)

Jealousy is the preserve of the sick. It's very simple in reality but it's not understood by most. This is because it derives from issues pertaining to the ego, self-loathing and envy being confused states of being.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 19, 2019, 02:21:49 AM
Glad you asked this question because it got me thinking and took a while to work out the reason for my irrational deep rooted hatred of Koepka.

Think it is more because of what he represents rather than the man himself if that makes sense.  To me he represents a changing of the guard in the game in that a lot of the golfers I grew up with are no longer dominating the sport.  Possibly that qualifies as jealously, who knows?  It is probably the reality of getting older I guess.  You see it a lot on this forum with people harping back to the 1980s and unwilling to let go of the past.

That's nonsense. I can't think of ONE poster on here who "harps back to the 80's and is unwilling to let go of the past".

The fact you resent the "changing of the guard" is tragic.


Secondly, he also represents the new breed of golfer that overpowers a golf course.  They are playing a course of nearly 7,500 yards yet this guy shoots 63, 65.  Golf is officially fucked.  Even if these modern players hit it off line they can still make the green as they are only hitting a 7 or 8 iron from the rough.  You are involved in the game Rocket, does that not worry you where we are going?  The art of shaping the ball seems to have gone, they are alll hitting it straight nowadays and seems to be that the possibility of a real maverick coming through and winning are gone.  We are only ever going to get a champion from a guy that can nail it 300+ yards off every tee and putt well. 

And he is a boring bastard too, not a hint of charisma.

This week is an exception because Bethpage is just a sloggerfest but the rough is so brutal that you still have to find the short stuff. No, golf is in a great place, particularly with all the young Scots and English coming through.

Molinari isn't a slogger but he's a major winner. Spieth isn't in the same league as DJ, Bubba, McIlroy and Brooks for distance but he's won majors.

You have issues with one man and it's colouring and poisoning your view. Tiger won the Masters and it was wonderful. He can't get within 40 yards of the biggest hitters.
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on May 19, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
Woods winning the Masters was indeed wonderful. I think it would have been good for the game had he been able to overhaul Nicklaus' major record but sadly I believe his injuries have cost him any chance of doing so.

As has been rightly said, he can't get anywhere near the length of today's big hitters who are generally straight off the tee anyway but even punitive rough seen at the USPGA and US Open in particular means that even if they do go offline into it they are still only hitting 9 irons into holes 450 yards long. In the 70s, with the equipment they had, even the longest hitters would be hitting 5 or 6 irons in from the fairway.

Woods IMO only now has the Masters where length really isn't a great advantage or the Open where strategy and shotmaking are at a premium to go for to get Nicklaus' record. I think he has one more major in him but will come up short
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: Madbadteacher on May 20, 2019, 02:17:24 PM
There was a comment on the American TV coverage summed it up. Koepka hit it into the rough, even with a pretty short distance to go the commentators were saying for most players it would be a lay up but "because he's so strong" he could easily hit the green.
So even if you don't hit it straight, if your as strong as an ox you'll be ok!
Title: Re: The Golf Thread
Post by: BigAl on February 25, 2020, 02:30:11 PM
Open Championship 2023 coming back to walking distance from my house

Get in there  :thumbsup: