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Title: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on September 25, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
Seems like there is some good news about Shinnie's injury in that it's not as bad as the club first feared. Here's hoping they're correct!

Still, will be a big loss tomorrow but hopefully Hayes coming back offsets that. He's (Shinnie) has been a fantastic addition to the squad and his play has been sublime at times. How long is he going to be with us?  Fuck knows, but we should enjoy it while he is here, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Sandaldinho on September 26, 2015, 03:05:49 PM
Didn't expect him to make it today...
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on September 26, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
Amazed he played today, how was he? Not sure I would have risked him
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Tyrant on September 29, 2015, 04:50:52 PM
Not sure he was fit judging by his performance.

Called up to the Scotland squad today. nailed on cert to get an injury whilst warming the bench.  :hammer:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: topcorner on September 29, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
Injured in a freak accident in training with Brown?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on March 10, 2016, 02:50:55 PM
So, in my opinion, he'll be our player of the year and should be our permanent team captain. Absolutely tremendous player having a great season, and good chance he'll be up for Scottish Player Of The Year too. Can anyone, dons fan or not, explain why he's not in either Scotland squad? Crazy!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 10, 2016, 03:08:24 PM
So, in my opinion, he'll be our player of the year and should be our permanent team captain. Absolutely tremendous player having a great season, and good chance he'll be up for Scottish Player Of The Year too. Can anyone, dons fan or not, explain why he's not in either Scotland squad? Crazy!

Strachan and Magoo, class A fuds.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on March 10, 2016, 03:32:38 PM
Strachan is a thrawn grudge bearing fanny who thinks he is a better manager than he is.

Christophe Berra, Gordon Greer, Alan Hutton, Russell Martin, Charlie Mulgrew

those names below sum it up, when he played Mulgrew at LB during the qualifiers and he got turned inside out as he had no cover , crazy.... Shinnie aside , Barry Douglas doesnt even get quoted for LB
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on March 10, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
On the upside, Shinnie's yellow has been rescinded.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 10, 2016, 07:41:13 PM
Excellent news bobby. Take it that didn't say he was wrong and a shite ref?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on March 10, 2016, 07:57:38 PM
Strachan and Magoo, class A fuds.

No other words necessary. Will be in the running for SPL player of the year, but these pricks apparently know better.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 11, 2016, 06:50:45 AM
Heard Strachan on the radio this morning, his interview (presumably from yesterday) when he said we've not got any superstars but it's up to the clubs to turn them into superstars. "Can we help them along the way, yes".

We've always known he has a screw loose. But he was good value because of his entertainment factor.

Now that his whole ship is breaking apart, all screws having popped and the steel structure falling apart, the slight comedy he gave has been replaced by major pathos and serious tragedy. That guy's a fucking maddo.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Tyrant on March 11, 2016, 10:14:11 AM
I mind after the Gibraltar game there was talk of him walking away and then he turned round and said the Tartan Army's support convinced him to stay. Where he saw this support I do not know because I wasn't aware of any cunt that wanted him to stay.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 11, 2016, 02:42:06 PM
Good to see McInnes making it clear that Shinnie should have been in the squad(s). He's right to get involved, even though it is through the media.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 11, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
Good to see McInnes making it clear that Shinnie should have been in the squad(s). He's right to get involved, even though it is through the media.

I heard his interview too and McInnes was excellent. Loved him saying best LB in Scotland.

Which is why you should keep him there and not move him to midfield ever!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 11, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
I heard his interview too and McInnes was excellent. Loved him saying best LB in Scotland.

Which is why you should keep him there and not move him to midfield ever!


Thought the exact same thing, Rocket. Excellent interview.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Stewart on March 11, 2016, 04:45:45 PM
I mind after the Gibraltar game there was talk of him walking away and then he turned round and said the Tartan Army's support convinced him to stay. Where he saw this support I do not know because I wasn't aware of any cunt that wanted him to stay.

Might not have came across on TV but the majority were chanting "Gordon Strachan's Tartan Army".
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 11, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Thought the exact same thing, Rocket. Excellent interview.

rocket to you, with a lower case r.  8)
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on March 11, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
Might not have came across on TV but the majority were chanting "Gordon Strachan's Tartan Army".

Not so sure it was the majority. There were a fair number not joining in.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: tlg1903 on March 11, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
rocket to you, with a lower case r.  8)

Get a room
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on March 11, 2016, 08:36:53 PM
Might not have came across on TV but the majority were chanting "Gordon Strachan's Tartan Army".

No offence meant  Stewart, know you follow the national team, but anyone backing Wee Chesney has the team they deserve.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 11, 2016, 08:53:07 PM
Get a room

It's a Room, with an upper case R
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: tlg1903 on March 11, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
Love knows no punctuation Rico
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 12, 2016, 02:42:18 AM
Well well. At tonight's Scottish Golf Awards in Edinburgh, my ears pricked up that Strachan was in attendance. I decided that I would go past his table and say loudly/ shout Graeme Shinnie at him. After dinner when he got called up to present a trophy to Russell Knox - who wasn't there but sent an excellent video message in lieu, a wonderful human - he ended up presenting the trophy to his sister who was a co-presenter. I was all eyes to see which direction he was heading to the stage from, so I could go past his table later, although I could have easily deduced this from the multiple table planner charts on the walls of the bar outside, going to S and getting the table number this way.

I didn't need to. Dougie Vipond did it bonny. His first words to Strachan when the wee ginger nut job came up was "I've just had a text from Derek McInnes. Two words. Graeme Shinnie". Strachan responded with two words of his own "Kieran Tierney". I actually thought I heard him say "Luke Tierney" but surely he's not so far gone he can't remember his own squad?

If there was any doubt of his utter madness, he buried those doubts tonight. He said - of the Inspiration award winner, a soldier who lost his leg in Helmand and who was an amazing guy who told us his artificial one cost 60 grand - that we should borrow that leg for the world cup. Then he said that he's got players not even worth 60 grand. He then tried, and succeeded, in ingratiating himself to the crowd (remember the 95% principle, I wisna buying any of it) by saying how wonderful golf is (and how much he hates it, referring to the infuriatingly frustrating nature of it, particularly if played like a non-expert which he undoubtedly will be) and that if it was a choice between Motherwell v. Patrick Thistle and a golf tournament, he would watch the golf every time. He then quipped that if it was Motherwell v. Patrick Thistle then he would rather watch Jeremy Kyle.

As if that doesn't beggar belief from a "football professional", he completed his insanity and reinforced his contrariness for the sake of it by his choice of dress sense. It's a black tie event, as he well knows as he's been to this before. He's in this horrible tweed-like 3 piece suit (that probably cost a lot) and pale blue tie but worst of all, a waistcoat with disgusting wide lapels. Who the fuck does this midget think he is and how can a total fruitpiece like him ever hope to garner respect from ambitious footballers, which the best in the country would be by default. The boy's a total joke.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 12, 2016, 03:07:38 AM
I bought this card in the Quirky Coo in Dundee this afternoon, one of a batch I got, killing time cos I was going to be too early in Embra and a daughter in France needing fed with regular handwritten nonsense from her dad: -

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii507/graemeleslie1/dundeh.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/graemeleslie1/media/dundeh.jpg.html)

We got Strachan from Dundee. I know he's from some slum part of Edinburgh but I quite liked the card anyway. My favourite from that shop thus far is a cartoon bunny reading Watership Down and he says "Fucking Hell".
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 12, 2016, 03:12:37 AM
Give the cunt his due though. I entered his shop in bow tie and dinner suit, aye, at half past four!

Aye aye, quirky coo mannie says I. You didn't have to bother, he says.

Then when I'm paying he says anywhere nice? I'd rather sit in the bath and stab my feet with a breadknife says I. A bit of a conversation killer and perhaps a tad miserable, I immediately reflected so followed it up with something like, aye, not a serious stabbing and he comes back with, oh right, just a gentle jab.

The guy's fucking brilliant, as you can imagine from his trading name. Thanks to a poster on here for recommending it.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 12, 2016, 03:18:20 AM
Don't say I'm not good to you...

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii507/graemeleslie1/urban_graphic_cards3_1024x1024.png) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/graemeleslie1/media/urban_graphic_cards3_1024x1024.png.html)
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 12, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
If there was any doubt of his utter madness, he buried those doubts tonight. He said - of the Inspiration award winner, a soldier who lost his leg in Helmand and who was an amazing guy who told us his artificial one cost 60 grand - that we should borrow that leg for the world cup. Then he said that he's got players not even worth 60 grand. He then tried, and succeeded, in ingratiating himself to the crowd (remember the 95% principle, I wisna buying any of it) by saying how wonderful golf is (and how much he hates it, referring to the infuriatingly frustrating nature of it, particularly if played like a non-expert which he undoubtedly will be) and that if it was a choice between Motherwell v. Patrick Thistle and a golf tournament, he would watch the golf every time. He then quipped that if it was Motherwell v. Patrick Thistle then he would rather watch Jeremy Kyle.

Unacceptable from a national manager. You should have recorded it and put it on youtube. The press would go mental. Oh no, that's right, they couldn't give a fuck about anything not involving the scum, and would find the national manager talking down our game as hilarious and useful.

Reminds me of the time I witnesses John Rowbotham doing an after dinner. Talked of giving decisions against certain players and teams he didn't like. Confirmed everything you need to know about refs. Total cunt of a man.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Madbadteacher on March 23, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
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Scotland assistant coach Mark McGhee claims there is no room for Aberdeen defender Graeme Shinnie in the squad.

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 :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Cunt of a man, basically saying he'll never get a cap whilst WGS and McGhee are there!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Edinburghdon on March 23, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
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Scotland assistant manager Mark McGheeScotland assistant manager Mark McGhee
Scotland assistant manager Mark McGhee claims there is no room for Aberdeen defender Graeme Shinnie in the squad.

The left back was overlooked by manager Gordon Strachan for tomorrow’s game against Czech Republic and Tuesday’s match against Denmark, despite a string of impressive performances for the Dons this season and with Caley Thistle last term.

Although the 24-year-old was included in the squad for European qualifiers against Poland and Gibraltar towards the end of last year, he was not handed his first cap.

Former Dons manager McGhee says Hull City defender Andy Robertson and Celtic’s Charlie Mulgrew have sewn up the position between themselves for the double-header, meaning there was no place for the Aberdeen defender.


When asked why neither Shinnie nor Rangers captain Lee Wallace, who has also impressed for the league leaders in the Championship this season, had been called up McGhee said: “We can’t accommodate everyone in every position.

“Andy Robertson, for instance, has done brilliantly. Charlie Mulgrew will play left back as well.

“We can’t have everyone in the squad. Mulgrew and Robertson are the ones in possession. There is no place for those other players.

“I could name another dozen people who could be in. But Gordon has to pick a squad that he thinks is right and he wants to learn as much about as he possibly can and he has picked the ones that he thinks are right.”

Dons manager Derek McInnes was among those to query why Shinnie’s outstanding club form has not been recognised but McGhee says uncapped players such as the Aberdeen defender should not feel disheartened at not being part of the squad until qualification for the 2018 World Cup in Russia begins in September.

McGhee added: “The critical thing for players is when Gordon comes to name the squad for the Malta game when the campaign starts.

“Then people can start to worry if they’re not in it or ask the question about why someone’s not in it.

“At this stage, we’re just trying to gain as much knowledge as we possibly can and at the same time keep a balance of the squad that makes us able to be competitive and do well in the games.”

Mulgrew?! Shocking...
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on March 23, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
That interview just confirms what an utter clown McGhee is. Also suggests he and the ginger clown will be gone sooner rather than later. If they honestly think Mulgrew is a better player than Shinnie then there is no chance they will put together a team capable of getting out of the group.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 23, 2016, 08:10:36 PM
They are just another reason why you shouldn't give a fuck about Scotland anymore. Never picked on merit and the fact that child neglecter is even in the squad is all you need to know. He has been shite for the tims.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on March 23, 2016, 08:28:18 PM
No one think to ask why Mulgrew is still 'in possession' when he has been an integral part of squads who have consistently failed?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 23, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
More importantly, Mulgrew isn't even a left back these days, hence the reason they wanked on about thon useless Tierney fuck. Fair enough pick Mulgrew due to our dearth of good centre halves, but to suggest he's a better left back than Shinnie is ridiculous - he just isn't.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on October 22, 2016, 05:06:12 PM
Didn't see the game today, just saw highlights, but Shinnie creates the first goal, quality cross as he did in the previous round. While I certainly rate him as a left back I've never pushed him to be a midfielder for Scotland. Why not left or central mid? As much as we tend to write him off for being a left back out of position he's doing well for in central mid for the second top team who just reached a final. He plays every week, is fit, and plays with the passion, drive, and confidence our national team so sadly lacks. Plus he's a natural leader. Why not play him in central or left mid if wee gordy insists in Robertson, Tierney, or Wallace at left back. Best signing we've had in years (permanent signing), doesn't get the credit he deserves from those out side of dons fans.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ritchie on October 22, 2016, 05:15:21 PM
Pretty valid comment in my mind LA don. From a left midfield perspective he is certainly able n ample to assist in defensive and  attacking duties with whichever left back the ginge prefers. Would Provide ready made in the game (or bench) cover for any on field subs/formation changes n as stated has real drive/leadership qualities..... shame he wears a red strip in north oh scotland!

One of 2 other colours and he'd be a stick in!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on October 22, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Shinnie was poor today.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on October 23, 2016, 03:18:51 PM
Shinnie was poor today.

Really?  I actually thought he should be man of the match...I was genuinely shocked it was McLean.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on October 23, 2016, 03:29:38 PM
I thought Shinnie,Rooney,McGinn & Hayes were all poor t.b.h.  Why Storey wasnt on earlier was baffling.
D.M defo has his favourites though & is reluctant to sub them regardless of how they are playing.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on October 23, 2016, 03:38:10 PM
Ive spoke to a few guys this morning regarding their m.o.t.m yesterday, & i've heard Considine,O'Connor,Shinnie & Maddison mentioned   ;D
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on October 23, 2016, 03:45:03 PM
Ive spoke to a few guys this morning regarding their m.o.t.m yesterday, & i've heard Considine,O'Connor,Shinnie & Maddison mentioned   ;D

 :rofl:

They're obviously still drunk! Only one that deserved to be mentioned there was Shinnie. O'Connor had a poor game by his standards and Madisson never got going. I did enjoy a couple of heid first moments from Consi right enough  ;D

I agree about your other point, was ridiculous that they weren't on earlier, although I called for McGinn, Rooney and McLean to all be subbed, within seconds, Rooney scores  ;D
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: OxfordDon on October 28, 2016, 09:25:34 PM
Tierney and Robertson now both out for 2 months due to injury, Shinnie surely the most obvious candidate to be called up to fill the gap for the England game.

So i think i'll lump my money on Strachan moving Grant Hanley to left back instead.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on October 28, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
Nah it'll be Wallace despite virtually every Hun demanding he gets dropped as his performances have been honking week in week out. Strachan is almost reaching Macghoo levels of hatred here in chez Ten Caat
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on November 02, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
Not even in the squad again. What happened with Strachan? It's pretty obvious something must have occurred given the injuries and he's still not even in the squad.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: CvB on November 02, 2016, 09:15:11 PM
I've no problems with not having any of our squad tainted with the indignity of getting shafted in one of those scotland squads at the moment.

I'd prefer it if the little smug cunt in charge came crawling looking for a left back once Wallace inevitably withdraws and he tells him to poke it.

Saying that, our manager doesn't think he's the best left back in our fucking squad so why on earth would he get picked there in an international squad?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on November 03, 2016, 09:28:23 AM
Last season, when he was clearly the best left back in the country, I was livid for him. Now, since he's not playing there I can actually understand why that ginger midget hasn't picked him.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: EdmontonDandy on November 03, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Last season, when he was clearly the best left back in the country, I was livid for him. Now, since he's not playing there I can actually understand why that ginger midget hasn't picked him.

Agree with this, how can we expect him to be picked to play LB when he doesn't even play there for us. Don't normally agree with Strachan but he can't be faulted for this one.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: MálagaSheep on November 04, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
Totally agree too!

Shinnie is no midfielder,
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on November 04, 2016, 07:39:43 PM
Shinnie playing left back tonight :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Reidzer 1314 on January 23, 2017, 11:26:01 AM
Signed a new deal until 2019.

http://www.afc.co.uk/news/9102.php#.WIXoOVXhCJA
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: MDred on January 23, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
Great news, hopefully a few more to come ;D
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on January 23, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Great news.
Give him the armband too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Tyrant on January 23, 2017, 12:34:59 PM
Great news.
Give him the armband too :thumbsup:


Agreed!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: tlg1903 on January 23, 2017, 12:51:13 PM
Fucking dancer!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on January 23, 2017, 01:14:00 PM
Great news.
Give him the armband too :thumbsup:

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: flooter on January 23, 2017, 02:21:15 PM
Is this a 1 year extension?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on January 23, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
Is this a 1 year extension?

In a word YES.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: OxfordDon on January 23, 2017, 04:43:15 PM
Great stuff  :thumbsup:

Could also be taken as a bit of a positive indicator to help quell the fears of overly pessimistic fans - player decisions on extensions often rest on whether their mates are sticking around too...
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on July 28, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
What a fucking game from him yesterday! Think we look much better in center midfield with him as the clear holding mid. He has to be a Scotland cap this season, no excuse of him being a left back playing out of position any more. Yesterday he showed he's Scott Brown's replacement in the national team. The passion, energy, enthusiasm, leadership, plus he has the skill. Seems to be a real players captain too, very much a Scottish trait and I think it's a dis-service to the nation team to continue to exclude him. He makes those around him better too. Obviously I've red tinted spectacles on but who is better in center mid based on that performance? He's still relatively young and will get better too, contract extension definitely needed.
 
And while I'm being clearly biased, if Christie continues this form he needs to be in there too.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on February 03, 2018, 05:04:52 PM
Think he needs a break. Due a suspension, how many game? Probably comes at the right time and needed, thought he was poor today but well done for not getting another booking.......or worse!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Dunty on February 04, 2018, 04:00:40 PM
Think he needs a break. Due a suspension, how many game? Probably comes at the right time and needed, thought he was poor today but well done for not getting another booking.......or worse!

Think he misses both the Hibs and Celtic games, going by the RedTV commentary when he got his booking to trigger the suspension.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on February 04, 2018, 05:16:16 PM
I don't think he has been that great since that week DM was supposedly going. You still get 100%, but not the same level we usually get from him.  With a player like him you notice a drop in standards.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: CvB on August 17, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
Not liking the soundbites coming from the club around Shinnies new contract.
Generally we don't air our laundry in public, so stating how it would put Shinnie right up there with the highest paid sounds to me as though the club are setting the groundwork to be able to say "at least we tried"

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Lencarl on August 17, 2018, 12:10:26 PM
It makes sense for Shinnie and Aberdeen if he signs a new contact.

Contacts mean nothing these days apart from giving Aberdeen more money from a Championship club in England having to offer much more cash to break it in the future. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 17, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
I also found it alarming that McInnes was on telly talking about Shinnie. Did he think it would pressurise him to accepting a deal? What was he playing at?

If Shinnie doesn't sign, he will make a hell of a lot more as a free agent. He will know what McLean is getting from Norwich and he will (corrrectly) think he's worth at least that much.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Tyrant on August 17, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
My position on this hasn't changed in the last year - I'd be amazed and delighted if Shinnie signed a new deal with us.

I'd be offering him the money Rooney was getting too and even then I think he'd get more lucrative offers from clubs South of the wall.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on August 17, 2018, 09:07:31 PM
I'd hope shinnie does the right thing and signs a new contract. I don't think he'll stay but I'd like to think he's seen the comparison between the snake and McLean. One I would happily see permanently crocked, the other left with my wishes. Its making me nervous that he hasn't signed.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on August 17, 2018, 09:33:57 PM
I dont expect him to sign one yet. The Bristol City interest will have made him think twice and he will know that going down south to a club of that nature he would easily get a contract on £8k/week plus.

If his agent can get 2 or 3 clubs definitely interested then I think he might sign a new contract in January with a clause guaranteeing we sell him if we get a bid of say £500k or over from next summer onwards
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on August 17, 2018, 10:18:52 PM
It’s an interesting one. Brother went down south and his career went to shit. Shinnie is Aberdeen captain and sniffing around the Scotland squad. He can definitely make more money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Lencarl on August 27, 2018, 12:28:52 PM
Graeme Shinnie has been named in the Scotland squad for the forthcoming games with Belgium and Albania.

Great stuff :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: DantheDon on August 28, 2018, 06:19:58 PM
His brothers career did go downhill, but consider this. Whos made more money out of the two of them? I would hope if we offer him a really decent wage it might be enough, but he might go because he just wants to try something different.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on August 28, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
Might not be a popular opinion but I wouldn't be that bothered about us losing the midfield version of Shinnie

However it would be a different matter altogether if McInnes decided to suddenly play him in his most effective position
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on August 28, 2018, 08:02:27 PM
Might not be a popular opinion but I wouldn't be that bothered about us losing the midfield version of Shinnie

However it would be a different matter altogether if McInnes decided to suddenly play him in his most effective position

Certainly an opinion I share. We waited yonks for a proper left back, signed one, and play him in midfield. Ludicrous.  I'd sooner sign a proper central midfielder before a left back. I love his passion and drive, but he's rash, hence his card count last season. Keep him at left back please!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2018, 09:42:21 AM
Might not be a popular opinion but I wouldn't be that bothered about us losing the midfield version of Shinnie

However it would be a different matter altogether if McInnes decided to suddenly play him in his most effective position

We haven't had a midfielder that comes close to the tenacity and drive of Shinnie since Severin and none of our existing midfielders come close. Yer Gleeson's might cut it against St Mirren, but I wouldn't want to go into a game against the hun or the tims without Shinnie in there (as shown recently in our powder-puff performance against them). He was phenomenal in there against the Tim in the last game of the season and carried us through the game at times away to Burnley.

His best position is left back, but the margin between Shinnie and Considine at left back (and the impact it has on games) versus Shinnie and Gleeson/Ball/Hoban(?) is considerable in favour of Shinnie playing in midfield. Unless either a) Gleeson/Ball remarkably ups their game; b) we completely change our style of play; c) sign a better midfielder; then we definitely can play Shinnie at left back this season. If not, then I think we need to choose one or the other for the sake of continuity (unless to cover injury of course) as I think chopping and changing is affecting Shinnie's performances too. The problem that we have is that we could play a midfield of Ferguson, Gleeson and Wright (or Ball in place of either of those) for 65% of the games and be fine, but when we get to the big games that combination just doesn't cut it and it's the heart of our team (and the pitch). We've shown on numerous occasions that Considine at left back is fine in the big games (see Burnley, Tims last game, Huns last game etc) if we don't start fucking about with him in a 5. We can mitigate for his lack of pace, but I don't see any way of mitigating the lack of ability in a midfield without Shinnie and I'm very surprised that you guys do (with existing personnel, obviously).

We wouldn't have beaten the Tims in the last game of the season with Shinnie at left back, we wouldn't have drawn with Burnley with Shinnie at left back. Those are the big games that we can't do without Shinnie being in midfield. I don't see the point in playing one way against the poorer teams and then completely changing for games against better teams but I can't see another way. We've only just found a way that we can play against better teams at all with the post-split games and the Burnley tie, I'm not sure that we should change that. Not without better players.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 29, 2018, 09:59:32 AM
You admit that his best position is LB. Not that you can not, as this is screamingly obvious.

Since when does a team succeed playing footballers not in their strongest positions?

You're right that he's the only one in the middle with heart, with guts, with determination.

That he stands out for these qualities - essential for any winning formula - illustrates that the others don't have them.

McInnes has failed to recruit a competent midfielder of requisite winner mentality.

Or he has failed to instil the right mentality - which includes attitude and work ethic - to any midfielder needing help and encouragement to develop one. Unsurprisingly as the manager doesn't have one himself as he admitted, him saying he would've taken a point before the game at Easter Road.

Whatever your argument is Rico, please don't ignore or mitigate the bigger issue.

The extent of the manager's fuck ups is now adversely affecting Shinnie. That's the crime.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
You admit that his best position is LB. Not that you can not, as this is screamingly obvious.

Since when does a team succeed playing footballers not in their strongest positions?

It's nothing to do with "succeeding", as that is a subjective measure based on expectation. It is whether a team is better or worse with a player in one position or another.

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You're right that he's the only one in the middle with heart, with guts, with determination.

That he stands out for these qualities - essential for any winning formula - illustrates that the others don't have them.

McInnes has failed to recruit a competent midfielder of requisite winner mentality.

Or he has failed to instil the right mentality - which includes attitude and work ethic - to any midfielder needing help and encouragement to develop one. Unsurprisingly as the manager doesn't have one himself as he admitted, him saying he would've taken a point before the game at Easter Road.

Whatever your argument is Rico, please don't ignore or mitigate the bigger issue.

The extent of the manager's fuck ups is now adversely affecting Shinnie. That's the crime.

My argument is very simple: Shinnie in midfield + Considine left back > Shinnie at left back + Gleeson/Ball in midfield. Specifically in games where we will be under more pressure and reduced possession.

I'm not mitigating anything, I'm making a point based on our existing squad. Anything else is pointless (or at least will be in three days time when the window closes). Very little point in discussing Shinnie's left back abilities without discussing it in context of our squad and the pros/cons within that as opposed to how great we could be if we'd signed a better player.

I've been very clear that are inability to procure a better central midfielder (and striker) is a massive failing. I think it's ridiculous that we've signed 3 and only one appears up to the job but still with a good bit to learn. That is the issue in its entirety for me. I don't think instilling a winning mentality in Ball will make him a more competent passer or quicker. Nor Gleeson (caveat: I know it's early). I just don't think they're good enough. None of that impacts the central question though which is why does anyone think that our midfield without Shinnie is good enough to match the Tims, Huns, Hibs or Hertz?

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 30, 2018, 07:49:45 AM
I don't think anyone is disputing that Shinnie in midfield is the best deployment of current personnel so it's not the "central question" at all. The key point is that he shouldn't be in there. That he is is because of terrible recruitment by the manager who has been unable to get good midfield players.

The biggest problem with the balance of squad is an inept attacking threat. Rooney's departure has highlighted this further but with McGinn going backwards and Hayes gone, there's nothing to provide service and nothing to receive it. Not only are the holes now gaping, it's really getting to Shinnie. I know you didn't see the game at Easter Road but he had a shocker and it was mainly down to frustration. His temperament has always been to try his hardest but his performances are getting alarmingly worse and the last thing McInnes can afford is our only option in the middle of the park (for delivering consistently good performances) regressing like so many others have done under him.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on August 30, 2018, 09:16:57 AM
He also picks up countless absolutely pointless bookings whilst in midfield by flying into needless challenges, often quite early in games, in parts of the pitch where there was no immediate danger. This tally of bookings is usually enough to see him pick up 2 suspensions per season and the suspensions get longer every time.....pretty sure his next one will be a 4 matcher. Obviously the one following that will be a 5 matcher so if he continues at his usual rate he will be missing almost a quarter of the season in suspensions alone.

Now this point could become moot in the next couple of days if we get this loan left back on board but if we don't then Shinnie at left back I don't believe would get booked as often.....and when he does at least the booking would be "worth" the punishment as the foul would occur with the opposition threatening. There is also no question that we are a more potent attacking threat ourselves with Shinnie maurauding down the left wing in support of GMS/McGinn. As it stands he at present often finds himself in possession centrally near the oppo penalty box and has an absolute brain fart as he clearly has no idea when to shoot or pass.

There is also the question of the defensive midfield pairing. Its no secret that I really don't rate Gleeson at all for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. Gleeson is totally immobile so with a Gleeson/Shinnie combination which has been the starting option so far due to Logan's suspension, it is generally left to Shinnie to support higher up the field when we are attacking.....cue said brain fart when he ends up in possession. Hopefully Ball will replace Gleeson as Shinnie's dm partner as although you could never describe him as quick, at least he does have a decent engine and can get up and down the park for a full 90 minutes and will allow Shinnie to play the more holding role that Gleeson occupies.

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A96red on August 30, 2018, 10:05:45 AM
The key point is that he shouldn't be in there. That he is is because of terrible recruitment by the manager who has been unable to get good midfield players.

Nae sure if your comment relates only to the current transfer window , or the whole time McInnes has been our manager.

If it's just this window , then it's surely too early to say that none of the midfielders we've recently signed are any good ,although Ferguson has made a very promising start.

If it's over the last few seasons then Kenny McLean is the obvious example of a very good midfielder signed by McInnes. And before that Robson and Flood were exactly the type of players that were identified by McInnes as what we needed at that time.



Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Slim on August 30, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Another thing to consider is that Shinnie prefers playing in midfield and mentioned around the time that he signed that McInnes assuring him that he sees him primarily as a midfielder as one of the reasons he signed for us.

Obviously we can’t have players dictating where they want to play but I don’t think we’ll ever see Shinnie playing for us regularly at left back.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: wee toon red on August 30, 2018, 10:42:23 AM
Another thing to consider is that Shinnie prefers playing in midfield and mentioned around the time that he signed that McInnes assuring him that he sees him primarily as a midfielder as one of the reasons he signed for us.

Obviously we can’t have players dictating where they want to play but I don’t think we’ll ever see Shinnie playing for us regularly at left back.

Aye, but shite management, coward, lacking in ambition etc etc etc  :laughing:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on August 30, 2018, 12:03:38 PM
Another thing to consider is that Shinnie prefers playing in midfield and mentioned around the time that he signed that McInnes assuring him that he sees him primarily as a midfielder as one of the reasons he signed for us.

Obviously we can’t have players dictating where they want to play but I don’t think we’ll ever see Shinnie playing for us regularly at left back.

That has never actually been said by McInnes though. I remember I, and others, speculated at the time that we assumed it would have been the case that he came to agreement with McInnes but that was purely guess work based on his continued placement in midfield.

It's interesting though, and all of the chat stems from the fact that he's very good in both positions, which can only be a good thing for us. If the player really wanted to play in midfield then I don't think it's bad management to facilitate this despite the fact that he is a cracking left back too. I think we get to hung up on it to be honest. He's set a very high standard in both positions and will be difficult to replace in either which is why we're struggling to do so. He's more than matched McGinn (£2.75M) and McGeouch (massive wages) in numerous games in midfield and occasionally seen to Scott Brown too. He easily held is own against Cork for Burnley also. That's a very high standard for a dons player, and should show the difficulty we'd have in finding and affording a replacement. The fact that he's also a very good left back just makes it very difficult for us to get a left back in too! He's in the Scotland squad as a fullback despite playing the majority of games in midfield, which shows how good he is there too. He's set such a high bench mark for a left back that we will struggle to get one who's even close without spanking a wedge on him (Considine at least manages to avoid too much comparison by being a totally different style of player). Whoever we get in will always be classed as inferior to Shinnie unless we get lucky. Shinnie is a better fullback than Logan, who has been a fantastic signing for us, so that's the level we're talking. Shinnie's biggest problem, then, is that he's set an impossibly high (AFC) benchmark for two positions despite only ever being able to fill one of them. If we'd bought Shinnie as a midfielder originally then we'd be over the moon. If he'd never played a single game in midfield for us having signed as a left back we'd still be over the moon. I don't think we should understimate the standard he has set and the difficulty we have in meeting that standard. One disappointment is that we've not had a young fullback come in and make the role their own. I think that a certain level of leeway would have been afforded to a youngster that won't be to any new senior left back.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on September 01, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Lets see if i can get suspended before end of September :dunno:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on September 01, 2018, 08:30:31 PM
Indeed A llad insane, another needless booking today, but I think it's only his 2nd this season so far?

Going back to McInnes and his RedTV interview yesterday, he has said himself he sees Shinnie as a CM & said that Graeme himself sees himself as a CM now. Think that pretty much nips any notion of him ever going into LB again, in the bud.

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on September 01, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
Thought that left back Lowe looked a class act today, pity he is only here for a few months.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: February1971 on September 01, 2018, 11:33:37 PM
Thought that left back Lowe looked a class act today, pity he is only here for a few months.

seems to me that the only reason Lowe was signed was so Considine could play CH with McKenna and Reynolds out.
Clear he sees Shinnie as CM and Considine as LB.
Otherwise there is no point signing a loan player for 4  months.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on December 15, 2018, 02:20:43 AM
Sounds like he's offski, knows that this one is a big contract. Can't say I blame him mind.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: scotfree on December 15, 2018, 03:55:57 AM
Sounds like he's offski, knows that this one is a big contract. Can't say I blame him mind.
Where you getting that from, Manc? Hope it's wrong.  :(
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on December 15, 2018, 09:16:37 AM
Where you getting that from, Manc? Hope it's wrong.  :(

His interview on bbc yesterday. Says he is going to take his time and speak to his wife before deciding on whether to sign or not......

General tone looks like he is going to see what offers he gets in January but I agree it does seem like he is for the off. His attitude will be missed but as a midfielder his skillset is fairly bog standard so he will go with my thanks and best wishes but utterly unconcerned that a replacement of similar standard at least can't be sourced
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on December 15, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
Poor performance today, but would still be happy to see him sign on the dotted line.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on December 15, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
Poor performance today

That's being kind, Al. He was woeful, first half in particular
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: BigAl on December 15, 2018, 07:31:34 PM
That's being kind, Al. He was woeful, first half in particular

Actually, you're right, I was being kind
At times today he was shite
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on December 15, 2018, 09:10:50 PM
I said he was awful in the first half. Was much improved in the second half, maybe I was doing him a disservice as really the whole team were poor first half and all improved in the second. Guessing it was down to the conditions....wind was blowing mainly across the field but was slightly against first half and slightly helping in the second.

DM should be telling him that as he (Shinnie) is keeping his options open for we are now assuming he will not be resigning and as such we are now actively trying top source his replacement. Consequently if we find a suitable candidate and he agrees a pre-contract, Shinnie's offer is then off the table.

Also, the minute he confirms he is intending to  leave under freedom of contract, the captaincy should be handed to someone else (Devlin being the obvious candidate). He should continue to be selected though, as I do think he has enough respect for the club that he wouldn't let his performance level/effort drop
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Dons1Huns0 on December 16, 2018, 09:37:21 PM
He’s obviously not committed to being here long term.
If he gets offered more money from anyone then he’ll be off.
He’s a grafter and workhorse but if he wants to go then so be it.
Make Devlin Captain.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on March 20, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
Record saying this morning he is definitely not going to sevco....

But possibly off to Luton ( the Sun agree)...
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 20, 2019, 06:06:31 PM
Record saying this morning he is definitely not going to sevco....

But possibly off to Luton ( the Sun agree)...

Having just had a look, I suppose I can see why (if it's true).  Top of League 1 and barring a major fuck up, should be promoted.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 20, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Looks like he'll be starting in his best position for Scotland the morn!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Madbadteacher on March 20, 2019, 10:21:29 PM
But, since Robertson and St. Tierney are missing and McKenna a doubt should be a decent shout for capt......

Oh, wait, forget that.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 21, 2019, 03:15:45 PM
Maybe just a bit nervous playing out of position....
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 21, 2019, 03:35:19 PM
He was at fault for the both the goals but from the 11th minute onwards, he's not made any further fatal errors.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on March 21, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
Hes been embarrassing so far

2-0 down in 10 minutes  :hammer:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 21, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
3 x goals ALL down to AFC howlers. Fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on March 21, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
seems shinnie has forgotten to play lb , probably his last game for scotland being made scapegoat
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 21, 2019, 07:33:05 PM
All of my non dons supporting mates pretty much blamed the loss on those two. Disappointing really
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on March 21, 2019, 08:47:23 PM
All of my non dons supporting mates pretty much blamed the loss on those two. Disappointing really

That is harsh. Although neither played well neither did anyone else other than maybe Bates and Armstrong in patches. McGregor, McGinn and Burke especially were poor and did not provide any cover for the defence at all which in part lead to all 3 goals.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 21, 2019, 08:54:44 PM
That's one interpretation Jute and whilst there is zero doubt that the whole team created as good as nothing, there is no doubt that Shinnie and McKenna were guilty of amaterish, schoolboy errors.

Most worryingly, for anyone remaining who gives a shit, was how lacking in energy Scotland were. McLeish couldn't inspire a whatever in a whatever, colour and realism being banned these days.

The Celtic "quality" was remarkably shit tonight 
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on March 21, 2019, 09:21:04 PM
As bad as Shinnie and McKenna were.....the boy at right back was even worse.

Midfield were dreadful. Up front that guy McBurnie wouldnt have looked out of place in the Banff and Buchan U14 Boys Brigade reserve league.

McLeish looked ill.......really ill....in the post match interviews.

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: tlg1903 on March 21, 2019, 11:39:57 PM
I heard a rumour a few months back that Mcleish has early stages of dementia.  I'm not going to say the source but I will say it was credible.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: DollyLongstaffe on March 22, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Every cloud has a silver lining, and at least this might reduce the number of aggravating "why do we play Shinnie out of position, he's really a left back" posts on Dons forums.  I'm sure given a run at left back he could re-establish himself as a decent one, but he's one of the best midfielders in the league and it's glaringly obvious that he's way more valuable there for us than he would be at left back.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on March 24, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
Feel pretty gutted for Shinnie, I never got to see the game as I was working, but I have read the fall out since and he has been getting absolutely hammered from just about everyone, your usual suspects in fat Boyd and fat Charlie Adam etc... also former players from certain former clubs, everyone has been sticking the boot in.

Would have been nice to see someone coming out and sticking up for him, be it McLeish or some of his current Scotland Squad team mates! By all accounts, he admits himself he was abysmal, but he had 10 other team mates out there and as a whole, we were allegedly fucking horrendous, so harsh to single Shinnie out.

If I was McLeish, I'd start Shinnie again, against San Marino, but in Midfield where he has been playing at Club level and give him his confidence back, because as bad as we are, we will comfortably beat San Marino and that will be good for his confidence.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 24, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
Although I've missed the aftermath, it doesn't surprise me if they're sticking the boot in. There's always been a resentment towards Aberdeen and the examples I gave recently were Boyd, McCoist and particularly Tam Cowan.

There was nothing to mitigate however. It was a surreally shit performance on Thursday, by the whole team and if you remember that home defeat v. Rangers when the speculation was that McInnes was going there, the abjectness of the performance was on that scale. It's weird how the world works. I have my own theory that McLeish has lost it, it being something he barely had in the first place and that the first game of the campaign will be a foreteller of the doomed to come. At least San Marino will be a guaranteed 3 points today but the cracks have been shown and they are too deep to paper over. This is all SFA karma building up over many decades.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on March 24, 2019, 01:55:33 PM
Feel pretty gutted for Shinnie, I never got to see the game as I was working, but I have read the fall out since and he has been getting absolutely hammered from just about everyone, your usual suspects in fat Boyd and fat Charlie Adam etc... also former players from certain former clubs, everyone has been sticking the boot in.

Would have been nice to see someone coming out and sticking up for him, be it McLeish or some of his current Scotland Squad team mates! By all accounts, he admits himself he was abysmal, but he had 10 other team mates out there and as a whole, we were allegedly fucking horrendous, so harsh to single Shinnie out.

If I was McLeish, I'd start Shinnie again, against San Marino, but in Midfield where he has been playing at Club level and give him his confidence back, because as bad as we are, we will comfortably beat San Marino and that will be good for his confidence.

I cant see him getting a start today, unfortunately his performance on Thursday was shockingly bad and though I do believe the boy Palmer at right back was even worse, Shinnie was accountable for all 3 goals that Kazakhstan scored.

That said, those that played in midfield were really not that far behind him in overall shyteness. Not one of them deserves to keep their place and had Tierney or Robertson been fit to start on Tuesday and Shinnie hadn't been involved (save for maybe a bench appearance) then most certainly he would be in line for a place today. However he was and I doubt that given the very public "blame McLeish/Shinnie" campaign in the press and media that his head could possibly be in the right place for this one.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: tlg1903 on March 26, 2019, 11:41:47 AM
Loved the managers defence of shinnie yesterday.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on March 26, 2019, 12:03:54 PM
Loved the managers defence of shinnie yesterday.

Indeed, it's almost exactly what you would have expected his national manager to say.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on March 26, 2019, 06:50:06 PM
Aye, was surprised to see it was only DM that backed him up.  Awful management from McLeish.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on April 12, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
had a bit of time on my hands so did some research after Shinnie was photographed at Pride Park yesterday, Found 3 Derby fan boards, none of which are particularly busy. Only one had a thread on Shinnie…..with less than 10 comments. General consensus is they haven't  a clue who the hell he is or anything about what position he plays. Shows how much Gufflanders pay attention to Scottish football. Anyway as they don't know anything about him, they weren't particularly fussed as to whether he signs or not.

Following on from this, had a look to see if they had anything to say about Lowe. He got a (very) brief mention on 2 of their boards. Difficult to extrapolate their opinion on such little input but one did say "not good enough" and that he should be sold. There was a fair bit on 2 of his competitors for the left back spot. They bought Scott Malone last summer for almost £3million and opinion is divided. They seem to think he's better as a left midfielder than a left back ( their other LB Forsyth was the regular starting player until he did his knee in just before Xmas) and indeed Lampard went out and signed Ashley Cole to cover LB once they sent Lowe back to us after playing a couple of games where he was out of his depth by all accounts. They're unsure about Forsyth's future given his injury history (3rd time he's done his knee apparently) but in view of the money they paid, reckon they should stick with the boy Malone as first choice going forward ( Cole has been poor apparently). Maybe there might be a chance of getting Lowe in for a smallish (in English terms) fee long term then??
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on April 16, 2019, 06:22:20 PM
Derby apparently unable to sign Shinnie on a precontract as they are under a soft embargo on registering players. Not good news for us potentially getting Lowe for another year.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/aberdeen/graeme-shinnie-to-derby-rams-unable-to-sign-aberdeen-captain-on-pre-contract-1-4908607?fbclid=IwAR06hNTbf8HS6u3ajiw06mVtOKLzIptiBh3R-aNjTNZq7vKzz1BNsEFernc
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: A llad insane on April 16, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
T.C surely the huge difference in wages , would be an issue ?  50/60% cut most probably :eek:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on April 16, 2019, 08:28:27 PM
Well we know that McGeouch is on £8k/week at Sunderland.....a far bigger club than Wigan but in a league below. They were forced to go to that level as his agent knew our offer was to make him the highest paid player at Pittodrie (£6k/week).

Walker's wage at Hearts wouldn't have been huge given their previous financial problems, hence why he was keen to leave. I suspect if Wigan gave him £4k/week it would have been a significant pay rise (at least £2k/week maybe a bit more) from what he earned at Tynecastle. At that kind of wage we could certainly compete with them. If he's on more than that ( I doubt it but there is a small chance) then he would really be in a very similar position to Stewart in that his club would be happy to free him to anyone but his wages would prove prohibitive to anyone that might be interested (SPFL or EFL1 clubs). We would no doubt just go for a year long loan if we were really interested......coughing up maybe a third of his contract. Of course if he did well it might interest other clubs but that's just the risk we would have to take.

Of course this is all purely hypothetical as there is no evidence at all that we, or anyone else, are even vaguely interested at this juncture  :dunno:
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Stewart on May 07, 2019, 05:09:33 PM
Confirmed as signing for Derby.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on May 07, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Will be interesting to see how Djoum performs on Friday like. Don't think he's a patch on Shinnie. Will be massively difficult to replace.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on May 07, 2019, 05:51:23 PM
Derby in the play offs. I dinna think they'll get through them but if they somehow fluke it they'll be using their newfound wealth to buy virtually a whole new starting 11 as the squad they have at present is in no way capable of keeping them there.

Shinnie will do ok at them so long as they stay in the Championship but if they go up then I can see him being allowed to go out on loan as early as January
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 07, 2019, 06:35:47 PM
Kind of hoping we're due to announce a replacement given that it's been announced and confirmed now regarding Shinnie. Very unlike us to confirm this sort of news before the season ends ( McLean was a pre-contract and loaned back at least )

Personally find it a good move for Shinnie, could quite easily see him playing Premier League Football next season!

You just know McInnes is going to bypass a replacement though & comment something along the lines of " Stephen Gleeson has been patient and more than capable of filling that role " etc....etc...  :rofl:

As much as I want Gleeson to succeed, he's nowhere near the level ( Technical ability aside ) as Shinnie is.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Elgindon on May 07, 2019, 06:48:39 PM
Had his flaws,but we'll miss his drive,and also the local loon link with the fans.Midfield wasnt his natural position and hoping we can find a more complete replacement,as well as someone to compliment Ferguson,....though am struggling to think of names out there???
   Good luck to him though,gave his all.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 07, 2019, 07:00:48 PM
Even though I knew it was coming, it is still sad news to read.

Loved seeing Shinnie in the red shirt, always gave his all and has the heart of a Lion.

At the game on Saturday I was pining for Johnny Hayes to be back in the red jersey again. Have a feeling we will miss Shinnie as much as we miss Hayes and think we will struggle to replace him, we may get a better midfielder, but I doubt we will get someone with the drive and determination of Shinnie and good captains don't grow on trees.

Fuck I'm gonna miss him.  :(
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on May 07, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Not surprising although doesn't make it any easier to read. We'll miss his passion and drive, but I really hope dm breaks from form and actually signs a midfielder that is an actual midfielder. Providing we get the signing right, we won't miss him. If it's like previous years, he'll join the long list of players that were never replaced properly.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: scotfree on May 09, 2019, 08:32:47 AM
Knew this would eventually happen but gutted anyhow.   :(
I would say that McKenna if he is still here next season, would be captain.
If he heads off, who would be given it?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on May 09, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
Knew this would eventually happen but gutted anyhow.   :(
I would say that McKenna if he is still here next season, would be captain.
If he heads off, who would be given it?

Since he signed the extension, seems a groundswell of support for Lewis to get it. I've never been a fan of goalkeepers being captain, suppose if he has no fitness issues then Devlin would be the obvious candidate ( but given he has struggled to replace Consi in the team since returning to "fitness" in Feb coupled with our very public courting of Shaughnessy....I have grave concerns about his long term fitness). And of course on the other thread I mentioned about what DM said in his q+a the other night....one of the potential signings expected in next 2 weeks is "potential captain material"....of course Shug is St J captain (well was till he announced he was offski)
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 09, 2019, 12:01:34 PM
Not overly concerned by this at all.  Never been in the "Shinnie is great" camp at all.  A good leader but nothing special in terms of ability and brings very little to the party in an attacking sense.  Much more disappointed if GMS is going as he has the ability to win a game for us almost single handedly - his loss over the last few months has been very noticeable in terms of how blunt our attacking line has been at times.   

Dominic Ball is not everyone's cup of tea but (assuming he is signing) he should see this as a real opportunity to step up to the plate and become a big player for us instead of just a squad man.   
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: KennyFuckinPowers on May 09, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
Not overly concerned by this at all.  Never been in the "Shinnie is great" camp at all.  A good leader but nothing special in terms of ability and brings very little to the party in an attacking sense.  Much more disappointed if GMS is going as he has the ability to win a game for us almost single handedly - his loss over the last few months has been very noticeable in terms of how blunt our attacking line has been at times.   

Dominic Ball is not everyone's cup of tea but (assuming he is signing) he should see this as a real opportunity to step up to the plate and become a big player for us instead of just a squad man.   

He showed against Celtic, albeit a pish result, he was okay in that CDM role, he tried to get involved as much as he could and had a far bigger influence than everyone's favourite, Lewis Ferguson.

I don't think he is good enough however, to be a regular 11 player, but would have zero issues with him staying as a squad player. Hard to believe he's only 23 as well, still learning the game, much like Ferguson I suppose, I just don't get the hype with Ferguson  :'( Barring his goals, that of course were important, he's largely anonymous over a 90 minute game, I genuinely can't think of a game that he's stood out in?

It's probably down to our current style of play though, we largely bypass the midfield, same reason that Cosgrove normally struggles up front alone, so maybe with a good pre-season and new approach to games, I will see what everyone else seems to see in young Fergie.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 09, 2019, 12:56:38 PM
He showed against Celtic, albeit a pish result, he was okay in that CDM role, he tried to get involved as much as he could and had a far bigger influence than everyone's favourite, Lewis Ferguson.

I don't think he is good enough however, to be a regular 11 player, but would have zero issues with him staying as a squad player. Hard to believe he's only 23 as well, still learning the game, much like Ferguson I suppose, I just don't get the hype with Ferguson  :'( Barring his goals, that of course were important, he's largely anonymous over a 90 minute game, I genuinely can't think of a game that he's stood out in?

It's probably down to our current style of play though, we largely bypass the midfield, same reason that Cosgrove normally struggles up front alone, so maybe with a good pre-season and new approach to games, I will see what everyone else seems to see in young Fergie.

I thought Ball played very well against Celtic, but his biggest issue is being classed as a utility player, jack of all trades master of none.
I have to admit that Ferguson is not impressing me much, but I do believe he has just played too much football this season.

Really need someone to come in and improve the midfield and find a leader to replace Shinnie.

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: RicoS321 on May 09, 2019, 02:04:26 PM
I thought Ball was pish against Celtic. Way behind the play on numerous occasions and covered about half as much area as you'd get from Shinnie. Not good enough as a replacement, but a decent squad player.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on May 15, 2019, 09:57:32 PM
Shinnie now 90 minutes away from being a premiership player after Derby best Leeds 4-2 at Elland Road.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: ayrshire_don74 on May 16, 2019, 09:19:28 AM
wonder if they might loan him back if they get into the premiership... assume he wont be living in Derby which is one of the biggest shitholes on the planet
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on May 16, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
Shinnie is probably praying that Derby don't go up. 'Cos if they do his dream move will turn to shit when Derby spend their newfound wealth on a completely new starting 11 and Shinnie becomes a squad player at best.

I don't think he will be immediately punted out on loan. But definitely a possibility in January. And if Derby stay up... a near certainty next summer.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: afc1903mad on May 16, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
Plenty promoted teams don;t go an change out their whole squad.
I wonder if Derby will be the same.

Also plenty of players who have went down there, played well and fitted in.
Fraser, McLean, Armstrong and McArthur.
Plenty of “Premiership” players that he has competed with in the SPFL I.e Arfield, Barton, Mulumbo etc

It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: DantheDon on May 16, 2019, 10:24:17 AM
More to the point for us now. If derby do win that could likely make Max Lowe unlikely to feature for them. Might even get a chance to sign him.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: afc1903mad on May 16, 2019, 12:31:24 PM
More to the point for us now. If derby do win that could likely make Max Lowe unlikely to feature for them. Might even get a chance to sign him.

Lets hope so

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Max Lowe wants to help Aberdeen book their Europa League return this weekend - just in case the Derby County left-back returns to Pittodrie on loan again next season.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on May 16, 2019, 02:01:26 PM
More to the point for us now. If derby do win that could likely make Max Lowe unlikely to feature for them. Might even get a chance to sign him.

I've been saying that for a while. If we can punt Cosgrove in the summer it would be easily financed. Just not sure Lowe would fancy committing himself for 3 years up here....but the question should at least be asked
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 16, 2019, 08:00:02 PM
I've been saying that for a while. If we can punt Cosgrove in the summer it would be easily financed. Just not sure Lowe would fancy committing himself for 3 years up here....but the question should at least be asked

So, we have struggled for goals this season and you would punt our main goal scorer to get the money for a left back?
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on May 16, 2019, 09:39:41 PM
So, we have struggled for goals this season and you would punt our main goal scorer to get the money for a left back?

Cosgrove doesn't score individual goal. He requires decent service. Lowe provides decent service. Cosgrove had a stellar 4 months. But utterly mince before and after. If we get a decent offer, in view of what we paid for him of course we absolutely cash in
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on May 16, 2019, 10:03:08 PM
Cosgrove doesn't score individual goal. He requires decent service. Lowe provides decent service. Cosgrove had a stellar 4 months. But utterly mince before and after. If we get a decent offer, in view of what we paid for him of course we absolutely cash in

I second the punting of Cosgrove if someone gives us half decent money for us. Don't see much difference between him and Stockley and would like to think we could find another player as good or better without breaking the bank. I think you're being nice saying he had 4 good months, was it that much??
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on May 17, 2019, 07:47:24 AM
I second the punting of Cosgrove if someone gives us half decent money for us. Don't see much difference between him and Stockley and would like to think we could find another player as good or better without breaking the bank. I think you're being nice saying he had 4 good months, was it that much??

Not suggesting Cosgrove is the new Van Basten but the difference between him and Stockley is about 16 goals a season.

It's a really simplistic view to think we can just pick up 20 goal a season strikers ten a penny, I doubt whether we have had more than half a dozen in the last 40 years.

If we can get another couple of good goal scoring seasons from him Cosgrove will make us a lot of money.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Jute on May 17, 2019, 08:08:18 AM
Not suggesting Cosgrove is the new Van Basten but the difference between him and Stockley is about 16 goals a season.

It's a really simplistic view to think we can just pick up 20 goal a season strikers ten a penny, I doubt whether we have had more than half a dozen in the last 40 years.

If we can get another couple of good goal scoring seasons from him Cosgrove will make us a lot of money.

Cosgrove’s 7 penalties out of that total and the gaps not that big. Big punt in hoping that we get two good seasons from Cosgrove when we only really got him scoring between December and February this season. I don’t think we will get an offer for Cosgrove this summer as he is yet to show he can score consistently and his failure in lower reaches of English pyramid is still to recent.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: DantheDon on May 17, 2019, 08:44:08 AM
I dont get why everyone is soo keen to get rid of cosgrove. Ok, 7of his goals were penaltys but even still thats 13 goals this season. Think about how many forwards have we had over the last few seasons who have struggled to get more then 5. I dont know why everyone here seems to think its so easy to pick up someone who can score goals.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: scotfree on May 17, 2019, 09:11:37 AM
Not suggesting Cosgrove is the new Van Basten but the difference between him and Stockley is about 16 goals a season.

It's a really simplistic view to think we can just pick up 20 goal a season strikers ten a penny, I doubt whether we have had more than half a dozen in the last 40 years.

If we can get another couple of good goal scoring seasons from him Cosgrove will make us a lot of money.
We've had 13 different players score 20+ goals since 1978/79.
Cosgrove (1), Rooney (4), McGinn (1), B Dodds (1), Shearer (2), Paatelainen (1), McDougall (2), Black (1), Stark (1), McGhee (2), Strachan (2), Archibald (1), and Harper (1).

That patch between 2012/2013 and 1996/1997...  :hammer:

Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ramperbamper on May 17, 2019, 03:03:04 PM
I dont get why everyone is soo keen to get rid of cosgrove. Ok, 7of his goals were penaltys but even still thats 13 goals this season. Think about how many forwards have we had over the last few seasons who have struggled to get more then 5. I dont know why everyone here seems to think its so easy to pick up someone who can score goals.

I maintain that if Sam Cosgrove was a 22 year old from BoD who'd broken through our youth, people would give him a lot more leeway than he's getting now.
 
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on September 27, 2019, 08:58:32 PM
Clearly out the picture at derby despite their shit start to the season? Loan move in January? I do think we’d benefit from his leadership/passion/energy alone!
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on September 27, 2019, 10:15:19 PM
Clearly out the picture at derby despite their shit start to the season? Loan move in January? I do think we’d benefit from his leadership/passion/energy alone!

Not sure if you saw what happpened with Derby players the other night but he might be getting a chance soon. Team were out on a club function at a restaurant, most players went home at 8pm but a few went on to a pub. Around midnight, and totally pissed up...a couple decided to drive home, one with the club captain in the back seat. A mile down the road they both crashed?? (no explanation why but pics show a Range Rover concertina'd into a tree). Club captain knocked out and knee smashed to smithereens...out for the season. Both drivers arrested and suspended by the club pending an internal investigation.

If he can't get a game after that then his time there must be up. At the start of the season I thought our midfield had improved to the point that Shinnie wouldnt have gotten a game had he stayed. Now I pray we get him back on loan in January.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on September 28, 2019, 01:19:23 PM
I'd drive him back up the road tomorrow, we miss his drive and determination in midfield, he was an excellent Captain also.

Maybe not the best player Derby have, but I bet if given a chance he wouldn't let them down, he has a tenacious streak to him which I think would work well in that league.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on October 02, 2019, 09:58:44 PM
I'd drive him back up the road tomorrow, we miss his drive and determination in midfield, he was an excellent Captain also.

Maybe not the best player Derby have, but I bet if given a chance he wouldn't let them down, he has a tenacious streak to him which I think would work well in that league.

I'd second that right now. I see Shinnie didn't make the squad again tonight. On the other side, I think Max Lowe is an ever present or close to now in their line up.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 03, 2019, 05:35:10 AM
I find it quite tragic that AFC fans covet a footballer who is clearly not good enough for an average English second division team. Certainly not as a midfielder. He is best utilised as Left Back and in the competition for places, Max Lowe is their preferred option.

The tragedy is twofold as it indicates the gulf in class between Scotland and England on one hand and on the other it suggests that the squad at AFC right now is less than ideal, some would say shit.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on October 03, 2019, 06:38:40 AM
I find it quite tragic that AFC fans covet a footballer who is clearly not good enough for an average English second division team. Certainly not as a midfielder. He is best utilised as Left Back and in the competition for places, Max Lowe is their preferred option.

The tragedy is twofold as it indicates the gulf in class between Scotland and England on one hand and on the other it suggests that the squad at AFC right now is less than ideal, some would say shit.

Does it really matter who he is or is not playing for? He would make us better and is most likely available is the next window.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on October 03, 2019, 07:05:13 AM
I find it quite tragic that AFC fans covet a footballer who is clearly not good enough for an average English second division team. Certainly not as a midfielder. He is best utilised as Left Back and in the competition for places, Max Lowe is their preferred option.

The tragedy is twofold as it indicates the gulf in class between Scotland and England on one hand and on the other it suggests that the squad at AFC right now is less than ideal, some would say shit.

Certainly a truth to what you wrote, but the fact is we miss his drive and determination on the pitch, nobody to lead by example on it, he may not be the best player in the middle of the park and I believe he is a far better left back, but he has the heart of a lion.

Now Derby are no great team, but it is quite sad he hasn't been given a chance, I think again his drive and determination would improve them as a team in that league, but clearly doesn't feature in the managers plans, how long their manager lasts is another matter.

Sadly, I don't think he will come back to us.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 03, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Does it really matter who he is or is not playing for? He would make us better and is most likely available is the next window.

By asking the question whether it matters where he is and whether he's playing right now or not, you miss the point.

He would undoubtedly improve AFC if he were to return. Therein lies the tragedy, for the two specific reasons I gave.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on October 03, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
Unless Derby punt Cocu sharpish I'm now convinced already there is no way back for him at Derby. They aren't doing particularly well though so Cocu getting punted isn't an unrealistic proposition. When he can't even make the bench (and taking into account the shenanigans of the 3 Derby players last week, one of whom is out for the season) it says a lot what the current management think of him.

Derby I'm sure would prefer him to go somewhere that the receiving club can make as close a contribution to his Derby earnings as possible. That's sevco up here......but given his lack of action, any loaning club has the nap hand over Derby. Sevco have a surfeit of midfielders and I think they'd be mainly interested in him as a left back (if at all). Given that we were willing to make him the highest paid player in the club's history, we could actually end up getting him back on loan in January for a couple of grand cheaper than we were going to pay him on a new contract....albeit without having his services for 6 months. We certainly need him as things have not panned out as most of us thought they would in the heady optimistic days of pre-season
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on October 03, 2019, 04:20:59 PM
By asking the question whether it matters where he is and whether he's playing right now or not, you miss the point.

He would undoubtedly improve AFC if he were to return. Therein lies the tragedy, for the two specific reasons I gave.

I got your point, I’m just got past that issue a long time ago. It’s been this way for years, surprised you brought it up.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: LA-Don on October 03, 2019, 04:50:08 PM
Don’t see Shinnie going to Rangers, that ship sailed, they are doing quite well and have a huge squad. They don’t need him. Don’t see him going to the Edinburgh clubs either, think if he comes north it’s back to us.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on October 03, 2019, 11:15:35 PM
I really thought we'd be a better footballing team minus shinnie. Mainly because he is best at left back. But christ, we have a pea hearted team. Less consi and Lewis, they are spineless.

It's a shame things haven't worked out for him at Derby. We knew his limitations and I have to say I was surprised he even got the call from them, but to not be given a shot. Just unfair.

We seriously miss his drive and passion.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Slim on October 05, 2019, 06:01:42 PM
Started today and put in an MOM performance.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: TheDeeDon on October 05, 2019, 06:09:07 PM
Started today and put in an MOM performance.

Good to hear.  We can speak about his limitations, but he is a guy who doesn't let you down and he doesn't hide and boy do we miss him.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Elgindon on October 07, 2019, 12:01:31 PM

 Carries that form on reduces our chances of a return in January.Derby fans impressed https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/33450-graeme-shinnie/page/3/#comments
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: manc_don on October 07, 2019, 08:15:08 PM
Carries that form on reduces our chances of a return in January.Derby fans impressed https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/33450-graeme-shinnie/page/3/#comments

I'm ok with that. As much as we need him, I want him to succeed.  It speaks better of our game if he does.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Kowalski on October 08, 2019, 08:03:52 PM
I'm ok with that. As much as we need him, I want him to succeed.  It speaks better of our game if he does.

This.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: kiriakovisthenewstrachan on October 24, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Decent strike fae the boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYe9hFBaydU
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 24, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
Given the timing of it, as well as the sheer kwolity, that buys him hero status already. Amazing hit.
Title: Re: Shinnie
Post by: Ten Caat on October 24, 2019, 02:03:13 PM
Right foot ana  :o

When he was with us it was for standing on only. And wasn't that great at even doing that