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Title: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 04, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
Seems ConDems have crashed down south as expected with Labour making pretty big gains. 
Be interesting to see how things pan out in Scotland but presumably given it is STV there won't be any councils where a party has overall control.  Apparently heading for the lowest turnout in years up here but then you'd hardly know there was an election on where I stay.  No posters or billboards and I only got one leaflet through my door which was Tory, which is bizarre given in my ward I'd imagine they'd do well to get even 4th on 1st preference never mind get anywhere near a seat.

Don't suppose it means much so far away from a GE but already had Tory MPs demanding Callmedave is more right wing after UKIP success in the south and comedy figure Lebit Opik demanding Nick Clegg resigns as leader of the Lib Dems (but seemingly stay on as Deputy PM).
Also glad to see that so far nobody has voted in favour of Mayors in various English cities. Total waste of time and money and nothing more than a celebrity driven ego trip (see B. Johnston and K. Livingston)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 04, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
I voted Green party and independent in our elections. I didn't believe anything either Livingstone or Johnson had to say and the greens policy seemed to have achievable targets.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: fatjim on May 04, 2012, 10:14:14 AM
Looks like the BNP have done terribly again.  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 04, 2012, 12:28:33 PM
Looks like the BNP have done terribly again.  ;D

Lost all seats they were defending I think.

Meanwhile not looking good for the Lib Dems up here
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Rory Reynolds tweets: Humiliation for Lib Dems in Pentlands as they come behind Independent Professor Pongoo, who got nearly 450 votes

Labour could come from 3rd to top in Aberdeen, presumably partly to do with the LibDem and SNP stance on the UTG.
Glasgow and Edinburgh too close to call.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 04, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
LibDems having a bad day, esp back home in Aberdeenshire:

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Final Result

SNP 28 (+6)

Conservatives 14 (nc)

Liberal Democrats 12 (-12)

Independent 11 (+3)

Labour 2 (+2)

Scottish Greens 1 (+1)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 04, 2012, 02:45:14 PM
Nick Clegg has destroyed the party.

Will be interesting to see if the SNP take a hit in Aberdeen City over the UTG vote or not.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 04, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
Nick Clegg has destroyed the party.

Will be interesting to see if the SNP take a hit in Aberdeen City over the UTG vote or not.

They have done.
Labour will be biggest party, the LibDems were the largest party:

Final Results for Aberdeen;
Labour- 17
SNP- 15
Lib Dems- 5
Con- 3
Ind- 3
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on May 04, 2012, 06:42:25 PM
They have done.
Labour will be biggest party, the LibDems were the largest party:

Final Results for Aberdeen;
Labour- 17
SNP- 15
Lib Dems- 5
Con- 3
Ind- 3

Also, Martin Ford, the "traitor" who cast the deciding vote to block Trump's golf course (before being sacked, and the corrupt government forcing approval through) won a seat in Aberdeenshire.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 04, 2012, 10:33:04 PM
Lib dem, green and the 2 SNP blokes got my votes (not revealing the order)

The only leaflets I had through the door were from the Tories, The Union party and 'scotland for marriage' - PR really does let some fuckwits start a party.
I was handed a leaflet by the socialists outside Partick station and a lib dem reluctantly handed me one outside the polling station (all too happy to hand it to the pensioners in front of me but apparenlty he didnt think I was worth it  ???  )

It appears my votes had no bearing on the result since Labour once again romped to victory in Glasgow.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 05, 2012, 09:54:48 AM
What's your ward? Partick West? Think a Green was elected there.

Overall looks like a score draw between Labour and the SNP with the Scottish electoral map quickly becoming a two party state.
Lib Dems surely can't drop any further in terms of councillors and MSPs but they will probably have one more disastrous election (General election 2015) before they see any up turn in fortunes.

Labour - big improvement on 2010.  Managed to stem the flow of votes away from them in Glasgow and did remarkably well to gain overall control in West Dunbartonshire and Renfrewshire.  Equally becoming the biggest party in both Aberdeen and Edinburgh must have been an unexpected surprise.  Still trailing the SNP and still a fair bit off winning any Scottish Parliamentary Election but disproved the assertion they were wiped out last time

SNP - Most number of seats, biggest vote share, most number of gains (on 2007 result), increased their lead over Labour locally from 2007, gained control of Dundee and Angus and at one point had won more seats in Scotland on the night than the Lib Dems had won UK wide.  But stalled a bit from last yr. Vote share down about 10% from 2011 and although a different election with Independents certainly taking alot of their votes away will be disappointing.  Terrible result in Glasgow and poorly managed.  Shock in aberdeen too but UTG may well have tipped the balance.

Tories - Hardly mentioned in the coverage.  Moved into 3rd nation wide but still managed to lose votes and seats.  Every year we are told they have hit rock bottom but they just keep dropping further. An irrelevance everywhere except the south.

Lib Dems - bloody hell. They won't exist in a year or two at the rate.  Need to de-couple from the Tories asap but the damage has been done, and large parts of Scotland will take a generation to recover. Their own personal highlight was getting beaten by a Penguin in one Edinburgh Ward.

Greens - Good improvement esp considering the squeeze caused by the two party state we have become. Representation in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Midlothian, Aberdeenshire and Stirling
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 05, 2012, 11:00:45 AM
yep it would appear 3 of the people i stuck down on the ballot got a seat.

Should have twigged that 'scotland for marriage' was in fact 'the christian party'

The deathnail of the lib dems in scotland will be if Charles kennedy retires from 'Ross, Skye & Lochaber' and heads to the house of lords.
Without him they will automatically lose the Highlands at the next General Election which could mean they go 4th behind the tories
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: caledonia on May 05, 2012, 03:17:54 PM

Lib Dems - bloody hell. They won't exist in a year or two at the rate.  Need to de-couple from the Tories asap but the damage has been done, and large parts of Scotland will take a generation to recover. Their own personal highlight was getting beaten by a Penguin in one Edinburgh Ward.



Says it all and if I were a Lib-Dem supporter I would have jumped ship also.
Also would like to add although I am all for the SNP (2 votes) I also used one of my votes for an independent as he has done wonders in my ward.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: jmo on May 05, 2012, 07:39:29 PM
The three people I voted for all got voted in so fairly pleased from that perspective.

Felt like the only person in the polling station though. The guy who handed me my ballot paper was listening to music on his iPod when I got there and looked utterly bored.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 05, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
The three people I voted for all got voted in so fairly pleased from that perspective.

Felt like the only person in the polling station though. The guy who handed me my ballot paper was listening to music on his iPod when I got there and looked utterly bored.

Same for me. People behind the desks looked almost panicky when myself and an elderly couple walked in at the same time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: jmo on May 05, 2012, 08:51:43 PM
Looking in more detail at the results in my ward there were more spoilt ballots than there were first preference votes for the Tories or Lib Dems.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scotfree on May 06, 2012, 07:17:35 AM
Lib dem, green and the 2 SNP blokes got my votes (not revealing the order)

The only leaflets I had through the door were from the Tories, The Union party and 'scotland for marriage' - PR really does let some fuckwits start a party.
I was handed a leaflet by the socialists outside Partick station and a lib dem reluctantly handed me one outside the polling station (all too happy to hand it to the pensioners in front of me but apparenlty he didnt think I was worth it  ???  )

It appears my votes had no bearing on the result since Labour once again romped to victory in Glasgow.
Why?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on May 06, 2012, 11:01:30 AM
Was there an election  ::)

Most low key political event I've witnessed in over thirty years of holding a vote.
Apathy rules....I guess no fucker cares any longer. Bit like Scottish football really
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on May 06, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Johann Lamont looks a character fae the Broons.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 06, 2012, 12:50:27 PM
Need to de-couple from the Tories asap but the damage has been done, and large parts of Scotland will take a generation to recover.

Agree with the sentiment, but doubt this highlighted last part. 

I would think that the collapse of the Lib Dem vote could quite easily be reversed, and an intra party coup de tat, with Simon Hughes or similar taking control of the UK party, and distancing it from the Tories would see a flocking back of their currently disenfranchised core vote.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 06, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
The deathnail of the lib dems in scotland will be if Charles kennedy retires from 'Ross, Skye & Lochaber' and heads to the house of lords.
Without him they will automatically lose the Highlands at the next General Election which could mean they go 4th behind the tories

Agreed but I can't see him doing that yet.  They'll need him to help get the party back on track (I'd have him back as leader sharpish!).  Although I think they are merging his seat with Danny Alexander's so who knows what will happen there.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 06, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Agreed but I can't see him doing that yet.  They'll need him to help get the party back on track (I'd have him back as leader sharpish!).  Although I think they are merging his seat with Danny Alexander's so who knows what will happen there.

Danny Alexander is extremely unpopular up north (almost loathed if you speak to certain folk). If the seats merge then Kennedy is off and the SNP will walk into the Highlands at the next general election
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on May 06, 2012, 10:13:47 PM
Lib dem, green and the 2 SNP blokes got my votes (not revealing the order)



Eh? Difference does that make?

Lib Dems... fucking hell. really?

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 06, 2012, 10:40:47 PM
Eh? Difference does that make?

Lib Dems... fucking hell. really?

Same Masochistic tendency that still sees me occasionally turn up at Dons games. Raised in Kennedy land.

I point blank refuse to ever vote for the Tories, Labour, or UKIP.
The socialists contradicted themselves in their manifesto
The christian party pledged to breed hate
The union party pledges didnt add up for me
No idea what 'Glasgow First' were going to do but I suspect it was to prioritise the city at the expense of the country as a whole so no deal.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 06, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
Like it makes any difference who you vote for in whatever fucking Cooncil elections or whatever it was last week.

Grow up.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on May 06, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
Same Masochistic tendency that still sees me occasionally turn up at Dons games. Raised in Kennedy land.

I point blank refuse to ever vote for the Tories, Labour, or UKIP.


Spot your mistake.

But as rocket said...

Grow up.

 ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 06, 2012, 11:10:01 PM
Spot your mistake.

But as rocket said...

Grow up.

 ;)

Don't see it I'm afraid
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 07, 2012, 10:47:40 AM
Same Masochistic tendency that still sees me occasionally turn up at Dons games. Raised in Kennedy land.

I point blank refuse to ever vote for the Tories, Labour, or UKIP.
The socialists contradicted themselves in their manifesto
The christian party pledged to breed hate
The union party pledges didnt add up for me
No idea what 'Glasgow First' were going to do but I suspect it was to prioritise the city at the expense of the country as a whole so no deal.

Were Glasgow First not just pissed off that the Labour party had finally tried to get rid of some dead wood in the Glasgow Party and so they went in a huff at not being selected, quit the party and set up their own gang? School playground stuff.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on May 07, 2012, 02:21:16 PM
Were Glasgow First not just pissed off that the Labour party had finally tried to get rid of some dead wood in the Glasgow Party and so they went in a huff at not being selected, quit the party and set up their own gang? School playground stuff.

This.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on May 07, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
edinburgh council going to be a coalition between labour and the tories.

maybe that'll finally help the penny drop with tribal labour voters that they're a right-wing party who'll happily shit on the workers like their blue mates.

labour died along with john smith.

the first transferable vote type of arrangement is great. Means that if you support a minority party you want to see grow, you can, and still have your 2nd preference go towards the 'least worst' option. Made a good show for the greens in london, while almost working to get rid of boris, but sadly ken is such a repugnant cunt that they couldn't carry it off.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 07, 2012, 02:52:05 PM
edinburgh council going to be a coalition between labour and the tories.

maybe that'll finally help the penny drop with tribal labour voters that they're a right-wing party who'll happily shit on the workers like their blue mates.

labour died along with john smith.

the first transferable vote type of arrangement is great. Means that if you support a minority party you want to see grow, you can, and still have your 2nd preference go towards the 'least worst' option. Made a good show for the greens in london, while almost working to get rid of boris, but sadly ken is such a repugnant cunt that they couldn't carry it off.

I suspect despite what they say on TV none of the Unionist parties will have any interest in forming a coalition with the SNP in the run up to the Referendum
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on May 07, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
edinburgh council going to be a coalition between labour and the tories.



East Lothian is it no?

Anyway, much as GS says, unlikely the unionists will enter a coalition with the SNP in the run up to the referendum, though the Lib Dems will raise their skirt to any cunt.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on May 07, 2012, 03:08:01 PM
The proposal, and expected outcome based on the manifestos being most similar was a Lab/LD/Green coalition. Instead Lab decided to sook some Tory cock (rather than just borrow their policies).
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on May 07, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
ah well shows what 'experts' know. Labour and the Snip coalition in Edinburgh.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 07, 2012, 08:50:27 PM
Oh well. Anti coalition coalition?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on May 07, 2012, 11:29:28 PM
Oh well. Anti coalition coalition?

More like the two parties saw the arrangement in East Renfrewshire to collude with developers in return for kick backs as a strategy ready to be rolled out nationally.  :P
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 09, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
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Labour and the Conservatives have joined forces to form an administration in Aberdeen, BBC Scotland has learned.

Labour had the most councillors on the city council after last week's elections.

As well as the Conservatives, the new coalition will rely on the support of two Independent councillors. Labour's Barney Crockett will be the new council leader.

The SNP and Lib Dems will form the opposition on the council.

Just shows that Labour will do anything for power.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on May 09, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
Just shows that Labour will do anything for power.
Have done the same in East Lothian I think
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baldrick_sheep on June 09, 2012, 10:28:45 PM
You should all be happy with your politicians. The ones here have made all the nightclubs close at 3 instead of 3, and the one that has refused to close before 3 now has police at the bar to make sure no-one can buy alcohol after 1am  :hammer:

They also think the partitian of scotland is a good idea and have recently accused the scottish government of discriminating against northern irish protestant university students. They really make the tories look like a great choice ???
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: caledonia on June 10, 2012, 12:24:05 AM
You should all be happy with your politicians. The ones here have made all the nightclubs close at 3 instead of 3, and the one that has refused to close before 3 now has police at the bar to make sure no-one can buy alcohol after 1am  :hammer:

They also think the partitian of scotland is a good idea and have recently accused the scottish government of discriminating against northern irish protestant university students. They really make the tories look like a great choice ???

That does sound a bit irish  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: glasgow sheep on November 06, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
The fucking lunatic Nadine Dorris is off to the jungle on I'm A Celebrity. I might actual tune in to watch her eat kangaroo anus or what ever it is they do on that show.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 25, 2013, 08:56:49 AM
A great watch.  I've long admired Russel Brand for his views and obvious intelligence.  Comes off very well in this interview with Paxman.


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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on October 25, 2013, 10:03:06 AM
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When I was asked to edit an issue of the New Statesman I said yes because it was a beautiful woman asking me. I chose the subject of revolution because the New Statesman is a political magazine and imagining the overthrow of the current political system is the only way I can be enthused about politics.
[/size]When people talk about politics within the existing Westminster framework I feel a dull thud in my stomach and my eyes involuntarily glaze. Like when I’m conversing and the subject changes from me and moves on to another topic. I try to remain engaged but behind my eyes I am adrift in immediate nostalgia; “How happy I was earlier in this chat,” I instantly think.
[/size]I have never voted. Like most people I am utterly disenchanted by politics. Like most people I regard politicians as frauds and liars and the current political system as nothing more than a bureaucratic means for furthering the augmentation and advantages of economic elites. Billy Connolly said: “Don’t vote, it encourages them,” and, “The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever being one.”
[/size]I don’t vote because to me it seems like a tacit act of compliance; I know, I know my grandparents fought in two world wars (and one World Cup) so that I’d have the right to vote. Well, they were conned. As far as I’m concerned there is nothing to vote for. I feel it is a far more potent political act to completely renounce the current paradigm than to participate in even the most trivial and tokenistic manner, by obediently X-ing a little box.
[/size]Total revolution of consciousness and our entire social, political and economic system is what interests me, but that’s not on the ballot. Is utopian revolution possible? The freethinking social architect Buckminster Fuller said humanity now faces a choice: oblivion or utopia. We’re inertly ambling towards oblivion, is utopia really an option?
[/size]I heard recently Oliver Cromwell’s address to the rump parliament in 1653 (online, I’m not a Time Lord) where he bawls out the whole of the House of Commons as “whores, virtueless horses and money-grabbing dicklickers”. I added the last one but, honestly, that is the vibe. I was getting close to admiring old Oliver for his “calls it as he sees it, balls-out” rhetoric till I read about him on Wikipedia and learned that beyond this brilliant 8 Mile-style takedown of corrupt politicians he was a right arsehole; starving and murdering the Irish and generally (and surprisingly for a Roundhead) being a total square. The fact remains that if you were to recite his speech in parliament today you’d be hard pushed to find someone who could be legitimately offended.
[/size]I don’t want to get all “Call me Dave, I was chatting to my plumber, man of the people” here, but the fact is I’m a recovering junkie so that means I have to hang out with a lot of other junkies to keep my head together, some of whom are clean, others who are using. Hear you this, regular New Statesman reader, browsing with irritation that the culture of celebrity has just banjoed the arse of another sacred cow and a Halloween-haired, Sachsgate-enacting, estuary-whining, glitter-lacquered, priapic berk has been undeservedly hoisted upon another cultural plinth, but – young people, poor people, not-rich people, most people do not give a fuck about politics.
[/size]They see no difference between Cameron, Clegg, Boris, either of the Milibands or anyone else. To them these names are as obsolete as Lord Palmerston or Denis Healey. The London riots in 2011, which were condemned as nihilistic and materialistic by Boris and Cameron (when they eventually returned from their holidays), were by that very definition political. These young people have been accidentally marketed to their whole lives without the economic means to participate in the carnival. After some draconian sentences were issued, measures that the white-collar criminals who capsized our economy with their greed a few years earlier avoided, and not one hoodie was hugged, the compliance resumed. Apathy reigned.
[/size]There’s little point bemoaning this apathy. Apathy is a rational reaction to a system that no longer represents, hears or addresses the vast majority of people. A system that is apathetic, in fact, to the needs of the people it was designed to serve. To me a potent and triumphant leftist movement, aside from the glorious Occupy rumble, is a faint, idealistic whisper from sepia rebels. The formation of the NHS, holiday pay, sick pay, the weekend – achievements of peaceful trade union action were not achieved in the lifetime of the directionless London rioters. They are uninformed of the left’s great legacy as it is dismantled around them.
[/size]Of the two possible reactions to the mechanised indifference and inefficiency of their alleged servants, not leaders – apathy or rage – apathy is the more accessible and is certainly preferable to those who govern.
[/size]Righteous rage surfaces rarely only in the most galling of circumstances, the riots or the Milly Dowler intrusion, where a basic taboo was transgressed, then we reach beneath the stagnant quotidian to the omnipresent truth within. In this case “respect for the dead”, the motif upon which Sophocles’sAntigone is founded.
[/size]Along with the absolute, all-encompassing total corruption of our political agencies by big business, this apathy is the biggest obstacle to change. We can’t alter the former without removing the latter. Can this be achieved? Obviously this is a rhetorical question and without wanting to spunk the surprise ending the answer is yes.
[/size]First, though, I should qualify my right to even pontificate on such a topic and in so doing untangle another of revolution’s inherent problems. Hypocrisy. How dare I, from my velvet chaise longue, in my Hollywood home like Kubla Khan, drag my limbs from my harem to moan about the system? A system that has posited me on a lilo made of thighs in an ocean filled with honey and foie gras’d my Essex arse with undue praise and money.
[/size]I once, during the early steps of this thousand-mile journey to decadent somnambulance, found myself embroiled in a London riot. It was around the bafflement of the millennium and we were all uptight about zeroes lining up three wide and planes falling from the sky and the national mood was weird.
[/size]At this point I’d attended a few protests and I loved them. At a Liverpool dockers march, the chanting, the bristling, the rippedup paving stones and galloping police horses in Bono glasses flipped a switch in me. I felt connected, on a personal level I was excited by the chaos, a necessary component of transition, I like a bit of chaos however it’s delivered. The disruption of normalcy a vital step in any revolution. Even aesthetically, aside from the ideology, I beam at the spectacle of disruption, even when quite trivial. As a boy a bird in the house defecating on our concept of domesticity as much as our settee, a signal of the impermanence and illusory nature of our humdrum comforts. The riot in question came when I was working at MTV and for the first time in my life had money, which to me was little more than regal letters to be delivered to drug dealers.
[/size]My involvement in the riot came without invitation or intention, I was in fact oxymoronically shopping (emphasis on the moron) with a stylist in the West End, at the expense of MTV, which is perhaps the planet’s most obvious purveyor of neurodross and pop-cultural claptrap – like a glistening pink pony trotting through your mind shitting glitter.
[/size]I was smacked up and gacked up and togged up in the nitwit livery of late-Nineties television, a crackhead Harlequin with Hoxton hair, when it came to my attention that Reclaim the Streets had a march on. On learning this, I without a flicker of self-awareness palmed off my shopping bags jammed with consumer treats and headed for the throng. Just before the kettling and boredom, while things were still buzzing, bongos, bubbles and whistles, I was hurt when a fellow protester piously said to me: “What you doing here? I’ve seen you, you work for MTV.” I felt pretty embarrassed that my involvement was being questioned, in a manner that is all too common on the left. It’s been said that: “The right seeks converts and the left seeks traitors.” This moral superiority that is peculiar to the left is a great impediment to momentum. It is also a right drag when you’re trying to enjoy a riot.
[/size]Perhaps this is why there is currently no genuinely popular left-wing movement to counter Ukip, the EDL and the Tea Party; for an ideology that is defined by inclusiveness, socialism has become in practice quite exclusive. Plus a bit too serious, too much up its own fundament and not enough fun. The same could be said of the growing New Age spiritual movement, which could be a natural accompaniment to social progression. I’m a bit of a tree-hugging, Hindu-tattooed, veggie meditator myself but first and foremost I want to have a fucking laugh. When Ali G, who had joined protesters attempting to prevent a forest being felled to make way for a road, shouted across the barricade, “You may take our trees, but you’ll never take our freedom,” I identified more with Baron Cohen’s amoral trickster than the stern activist who aggressively admonished him: “This is serious, you cunt.”
[/size]A bit too fucking serious, actually. As John Cleese said, there is a tendency to confuse seriousness with solemnity. Serious causes can and must be approached with good humour, otherwise they’re boring and can’t compete with the Premier League and Grand Theft Auto. Social movements needn’t lack razzmatazz.
[/size]The right has all the advantages, just as the devil has all the best tunes. Conservatism appeals to our selfishness and fear, our desire and self-interest; they neatly nurture and then harvest the inherent and incubating individualism.
[/size]I imagine that neurologically the pathway travelled by a fearful or selfish impulse is more expedient and well travelled than the route of the altruistic pang. In simple terms of circuitry I suspect it is easier to connect these selfish inclinations.
[/size]This natural, neurological tendency has been overstimulated and acculturated. Materialism and individualism do in moderation make sense. If you are naked and starving and someone gives you soup and a blanket your happiness will increase. That doesn’t mean that if you have 10,000 silken blankets and a golden cauldron of soup made from white rhino cum your happiness will continue to proportionately increase until you’re gouched out, swathed in silk, gurgling up pearlescent froth.
[/size]Biomechanically we are individuals, clearly. On the most obvious frequency of our known sensorial reality we are independent anatomical units. So we must take care of ourselves. But with our individual survival ensured there is little satisfaction to be gained by enthroning and enshrining ourselves as individuals.
[/size]These problems that threaten to bring on global destruction are the result of legitimate human instincts gone awry, exploited by a dead ideology derived from dead desert myths. Fear and desire are the twin engines of human survival but with most of our basic needs met these instincts are being engaged to imprison us in an obsolete fragment of our consciousness. Our materialistic consumer culture relentlessly stimulates our desire. Our media ceaselessly engages our fear, our government triangulates and administrates, ensuring there are no obstacles to the agendas of these slow-thighed beasts, slouching towards Bethlehem.
[/size]For me the solution has to be primarily spiritual and secondarily political. This, too, is difficult terrain when the natural tribal leaders of the left are atheists, when Marxism is inveterately Godless. When the lumbering monotheistic faiths have given us millennia of grief for a handful of prayers and some sparkly rituals.
[/size]By spiritual I mean the acknowledgement that our connection to one another and the planet must be prioritised. Buckminster Fuller outlines what ought be our collective objectives succinctly: “to make the world work for 100 per cent of humanity in the shortest possible time through spontaneous co-operation without ecological offence or the disadvantage of anyone”. This maxim is the very essence of “easier said than done” as it implies the dismantling of our entire socio-economic machinery. By teatime.
[/size]Can this be achieved when we are enslaved by old ideologies, be they theological or economic? The absurdity of our localised consciousness and global ignorance hit me hard when I went on a Comic Relief trip to Kenya.
[/size]Like most of the superficially decent things I do in life, my motivation was to impress women more than to aid the suffering. “A couple of days in Africa,” I thought, “and a lifetime cashing in on pics of me with thin babies, speculate to accumulate,” I assured my anxious inner womaniser.
[/size]After visiting the slums of Kibera, where a city built from mud and run on fear festers on the suburbs of Nairobi, I was sufficiently schooled by Live Aid and Michael Buerk to maintain an emotional distance. It was only when our crew visited a nearby rubbish dump that the comforting buoyancy of visual clichés rinsed away by the deluge of a previously inconceivable reality. This rubbish dump was not like some tip off the M25 where you might dump a fridge freezer or a smashed-in mattress. This was a nation made of waste with no end in sight. Domestic waste, medical waste, industrial waste formed their own perverse geography. Stinking rivers sluiced through banks of putrid trash, mountains, valleys, peaks and troughs all formed from discarded filth. An ecology based on our indifference and ignorance in the “cradle of civilisation” where our species is said to have originated. Here amid the pestilence I saw Armageddon. Here the end of the world is not a prophecy but a condition. A demented herd chewed polystyrene cud. Sows fed their piglets in the bilge. Gloomy shadows split the sun as marabou storks, five foot in span with ragged labial throats, swooped down. My mate Nik said he had to revise his vision of hell to include what he’d seen.
[/size]Here and there, picking through this unending slander, children foraged for bottle tops, which had some value, where all is worthless.
[/size]For a while when I returned to my sanitised house and my sanitised state of mind I guiltily thumbed bottle tops for a moment before I disposed of them; temporarily they were like crucifixes for these kids, sacrificed that I may live in privilege. A few weeks later I was in Paris at a Givenchy fashion show where the most exquisite garments cantered by on underfed, well-bred clothes horses. The spectacle was immaculate, smoke-filled bubbles burst on to the runway. To be here in this gleaming sophistication was heaven. Here starvation is a tool to achieve the perfect perpendicular pelvis.
[/size]Now, I bow to no one in my appreciation of female beauty and fancy clobber but I could not wrench the phantom of those children from my mind, in this moment I felt the integration; that the price of this decadence was their degradation. That these are not dislocated ideas but the two extremes are absolutely interdependent. The price of privilege is poverty. David Cameron said in his conference speech that profit is “not a dirty word”. Profit is the most profane word we have. In its pursuit we have forgotten that while individual interests are being met, we as a whole are being annihilated. The reality, when not fragmented through the corrupting lens of elitism, is we are all on one planet.
[/size]To have such suffering adjacent to such excess is akin to marvelling at an incomparable beauty, whose face is the radiant epitome of celestial symmetry, and ignoring, half a yard lower down, her abdomen, cancerous, weeping and carbuncled. “Keep looking at the face, put a handbag over those tumours. Strike a pose. Come on, Vogue.”
[/size]Suffering of this magnitude affects us all. We have become prisoners of comfort in the absence of meaning. A people without a unifying myth. Joseph Campbell, the comparative mythologist, says our global problems are all due to the lack of relevant myths. That we are trying to sustain social cohesion using redundant ideologies devised for a population that lived in deserts millennia ago. What does it matter if 2,000 years ago Christ died on the cross and was resurrected if we are not constantly resurrected to the truth, anew, moment to moment? How is his transcendence relevant if we do not resurrect our consciousness from the deceased, moribund mind of our obsolete ideologies and align with our conditions?
[/size]The model of pre-Christian man has fulfilled its simian objectives. We have survived, we have created agriculture and cities. Now this version of man must be sacrificed that we can evolve beyond the reaches of the ape. These stories contain great clues to our survival when we release ourselves from literalism and superstition. What are ideologies other than a guide for life? Throughout paganism one finds stories that integrate our species with our environment to the benefit of both. The function and benefits of these belief matrixes have been lost, with good reason. They were socialist, egalitarian and integrated. If like the Celtic people we revered the rivers we would prioritise this sacred knowledge and curtail the attempts of any that sought to pollute the rivers. If like the Nordic people we believed the souls of our ancestors lived in the trees, this connection would make mass deforestation anathema. If like the native people of America we believed God was in the soil what would our intuitive response be to the implementation of fracking?
[/size]Little wonder then that these myths, these codes for our protection and survival, have been aborted and replaced with nihilistic narratives of individualism, peopled by sequin-covered vacuous heroes. Now we only riot and roar in hot summers or at football scores or when our dead are desecrated by the vile publications that convey this corrosive, corrupting, deceitful narrative.
[/size]I deplore corporate colonialism but not viscerally. The story isn’t presented in a way that rouses me. Apple seems like such an affable outfit; I like my iPhone. Occasionally I hear some yarn about tax avoidance or Chinese iPhone factory workers committing suicide because of dreadful working conditions but it doesn’t really bother me, it seems so abstract. Not in the same infuriating, visceral, immediate way that I get pissed off when I buy a new phone and they’ve changed the fuckng chargers, then I want to get my old, perfectly good charger and lynch the executives with the cable. They make their own product, which they’ve already sold me, deliberately obsolete just to rinse a few more quid out of us.
[/size]But profit is not a dirty word. I hate big banks and banking and bankers but when they rip us off and do us down with derivatives and foreclosures and bundles, I roll my eyes. However when I see that I’m getting a £3.50 surcharge at a cash machine I want to put their fucking windows through. This is the selfish impulse the right expertly engages but ought to belong to the left. We have to see that all these things are connected. We have succumbed to an ideology that is 100 per cent corrupt and must be overthrown. The maintenance of this system depends on our belief that “there’s nothing we can do”; well, the government seemed pretty shook up during those riots. They snapped out of their Tuscan complacency quick enough then, and that was for a few pissed-off kids.
[/size]Those kids weren’t apathetic either. They felt impotent because they are given no status, structure or space. Perhaps in a system where legitimate, peaceful protest was heard that may have been an appropriate option for them, but Stop the War marches don’t stop wars, at the top of the pyramid larceny is rewarded with big bonuses. They may have been misdirected but they certainly had some vim. How beautiful it would be to see their passion utilised and directed at the source of their grievances.
[/size]The system is adept at turning our aggression on to one another. We condemn the rioters. The EDL condemns immigrants. My new rule for when I fancy doing a bit of the ol’ condemnation is: “Do the people I’m condemning have any actual power?” The immigrant capacity to cause social negativity is pretty slender. Especially if you live in luxury in Hollywood and the only immigrants you meet are Gabby, my Mexican second mother, and Polo who looks after the garden. It probably seems more serious if you’re in a council flat in Tower Hamlets. Still the fact remains that an immigrant is just someone who used to be somewhere else. Free movement of global capital will necessitate the free movement of an affordable labour force to meet the demands that the free-moving capital has created. The wrath is directed to the symptom, not the problem.
[/size]We British seem to be a bit embarrassed about revolution, like the passion is uncouth or that some tea might get spilled on our cuffs in the uprising. That revolution is a bit French or worse still American. Well, the alternative is extinction so now might be a good time to re-evaluate. The apathy is in fact a transmission problem, when we are given the correct information in an engaging fashion, we will stir.
[/size]The hypocrisy – me, working for MTV with my fancy shoes – is a problem that can be taken care of incrementally. I don’t mind giving up some of my baubles and balderdash for a genuinely fair system, so can we create one? We have to be inclusive of everyone, to recognise our similarities are more important than our differences and that we have an immediate ecological imperative. This is not a job I’d place in the hot, clammy, grasping palms of Cameron and Osborne. I shook George Osborne’s hand once, by accident, it was like sliding my hand into a dilated cow.
[/size]We require a change that is beyond the narrow, prescriptive parameters of the current debate, outside the fortress of our current system. A system predicated on aspects of our nature that are dangerous when systemic: greed, selfishness and fear. These are old, dead ideas. That’s why their business is conducted in archaic venues. Antiquated, elegant edifices, lined with oak and leather. We no longer have the luxury of tradition.
[/size]Cameron, Osborne, Boris, all of them lot, they went to the same schools and the same universities that have the same decor as the old buildings from which they now govern us. It’s not that they’re malevolent; it’s just that they’re irrelevant. Relics of an old notion, like Old Spice: it’s fine that it exists but no one should actually use it.
[/size]We are still led by blithering chimps, in razor-sharp suits, with razor-sharp lines, pimped and crimped by spin doctors and speech-writers. Well-groomed ape-men, superficially altered by post-Clintonian trends.
[/size]We are mammals on a planet, who now face a struggle for survival if our species is to avoid expiry. We can’t be led by people who have never struggled, who are a dusty oak-brown echo of a system dreamed up by Whigs and old Dutch racists.
[/size]We now must live in reality, inner and outer. Consciousness itself must change. My optimism comes entirely from the knowledge that this total social shift is actually the shared responsibility of six billion individuals who ultimately have the same interests. Self-preservation and the survival of the planet. This is a better idea than the sustenance of an elite. The Indian teacher Yogananda said: “It doesn’t matter if a cave has been in darkness for 10,000 years or half an hour, once you light a match it is illuminated.” Like a tanker way off course due to an imperceptible navigational error at the offset we need only alter our inner longitude.
[/size]Capitalism is not real; it is an idea. America is not real; it is an idea that someone had ages ago. Britain, Christianity, Islam, karate, Wednesdays are all just ideas that we choose to believe in and very nice ideas they are, too, when they serve a purpose. These concepts, though, cannot be served to the detriment of actual reality.
[/size]The reality is we have a spherical ecosystem, suspended in, as far as we know, infinite space upon which there are billions of carbon-based life forms, of which we presume ourselves to be the most important, and a limited amount of resources.
[/size]The only systems we can afford to employ are those that rationally serve the planet first, then all humanity. Not out of some woolly, bullshit tree-hugging piffle but because we live on it, currently without alternatives. This is why I believe we need a unifying and in - clusive spiritual ideology: atheism and materialism atomise us and anchor us to one frequency of consciousness and inhibit necessary co-operation.
[/size]In 2013 (another made-up imaginary concept) we cannot afford to giggle, drivel and burp like giant, pube-covered babies about quaint, old-fashioned notions like nation, capitalism and consumerism simply because it’s convenient for the tiny, greedy, myopic sliver of the population that those outmoded ideas serve. I will never vote because, as Billy said, “It encourages them.” I did a job with Billy Connolly and Eddie Izzard not long ago and the three of us shared a dressing room. Eddie believes in democracy and spoke sincerely of his political ambitions. “One day I’d like to be a politician . . .” he said. I spoke of my belief that change could only come from within. “I’d like to be a spiritual orator . . .” I said grandly.
[/size]Billy eyed us both, with kindly disapprobation. “I’d like to be a nuisance,” he said. “I want to be a troublemaker, there in the gallery in parliament shouting RUBBISH and PROVE IT.” Who am I to argue with The Great Trickster Connolly? I will never vote and I don’t think you should, either.
[/size]To genuinely make a difference, we must become different; make the tiny, longitudinal shift. Meditate, direct our love indiscriminately and our condemnation exclusively at those with power. Revolt in whatever way we want, with the spontaneity of the London rioters, with the certainty and willingness to die of religious fundamentalists or with the twinkling mischief of the trickster. We should include everyone, judging no one, without harming anyone. The Agricultural Revolution took thousands of years, the Industrial Revolution took hundreds of years, the Technological Revolution took tens, the Spiritual Revolution has come and we have only an instant to act.
[/size]Now there is an opportunity for the left to return to its vital, virile, vigorous origins. A movement for the people, by the people, in the service of the land. Socialism’s historical connection with spiritual principles is deep. Sharing is a spiritual principle, respecting our land is a spiritual principle. May the first, May Day, is a pagan holiday where we acknowledge our essential relationship with our land. I bet the Tolpuddle martyrs, who marched for fair pay for agricultural workers, whose legacy is the right for us to have social solidarity, were a right bunch of herberts if you knew them. “Thugs, yobs, hooligans,” the Daily Mail would’ve called them. Our young people need to know there is a culture, a strong, broad union, that they can belong to, that is potent, virile and alive. At this time when George and Dave pilfer and pillage our land and money for their oligarch mates, at this time when the Tories are taking the EU to court to stop it curtailing their banker pals’ bonuses, that there is something they can do. Take to the streets, together, with the understanding that the feeling that you aren’t being heard or seen or represented isn’t psychosis; it’s government policy.
[/size]But we are far from apathetic, we are far from impotent. I take great courage from the groaning effort required to keep us down, the institutions that have to be fastidiously kept in place to maintain this duplicitous order. Propaganda, police, media, lies. Now is the time to continue the great legacy of the left, in harmony with its implicit spiritual principles. Time may only be a human concept and therefore ultimately unreal, but what is irrefutably real is that this is the time for us to wake up.
[/size]The revolution of consciousness is a decision, decisions take a moment. In my mind the revolution has already begun.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 25, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
Read that on the way in Baggy, was a very good read.
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Post by: Andrew on October 25, 2013, 11:23:35 AM
Only read about half of it but it really is populist rubbish...


"Slagging off bankers
Politicans are only in it for the money
Right wing economic idelogy = selfishness"


This is the same ideology and way of living that has transformed us from dying at 35, living in absolute poverty and having most of your children not reaching adulthood to where we are now. It's not a coincidence that a lot of our social and economic improvements came under the "laissez-faire" economic period of our country.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on October 25, 2013, 11:34:20 AM
Only read about half of it but it really is populist rubbish...


"Slagging off bankers
Politicans are only in it for the money
Right wing economic idelogy = selfishness"


This is the same ideology and way of living that has transformed us from dying at 35, living in absolute poverty and having most of your children not reaching adulthood to where we are now. It's not a coincidence that a lot of our social and economic improvements came under the "laissez-faire" economic period of our country.

The current political system is bankrupt, and is not fit for purpose. That has to be viewed alongside how thick the population is.

It's a point well made though it doesn't need to be, it's fucking obvious.
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Post by: scotfree on October 25, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
I think it's more to do with how thick the population is. If they were not so thick they would not have let the politicians get away with it for as long.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 25, 2013, 01:14:23 PM
A great watch.  I've long admired Russel Brand for his views and obvious intelligence.  Comes off very well in this interview with Paxman.


http://gawker.com/russell-brand-may-have-started-a-revolution-last-night-1451318185?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://gawker.com/russell-brand-may-have-started-a-revolution-last-night-1451318185?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)


I thought it was absolutely superb. I saw that on Facebook this morning and even shared it. (And something has to be really shit hot before I share it on FB ;) ) I couldn't agree with Russell more and it's exactly why I also will not vote. Fuck the west and their facade of democracy.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on October 25, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
I would probably always try and vote, at least try to pick the best, or least worst candidate.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on October 25, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
The current political system is bankrupt, and is not fit for purpose. That has to be viewed alongside how thick the population is.

It's a point well made though it doesn't need to be, it's fucking obvious.


I think it's more to do with how thick the population is. If they were not so thick they would not have let the politicians get away with it for as long.


In what way is the current political system bankrupt? I think they way in which they parties pick their candidates is pretty awful(do PPE at oxbridge, become an advisor = safe seat) but apart from this aspect the actual system seems fine to me? The policies introduced(continued erosion of civil liberties, total lack of economic or game theory knowledge, lack of expertise, pandering to the lowest common dominator) are a problem but that is due to the policies people vote for not the system.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on October 25, 2013, 03:01:45 PM
The system seems to be set up for failure

For a starters the first past the post system where you need 50% of the seats not 51% of the vote to take charge.
A system that has created 'safe seats' for the big two which no matter how shit those 2 parties are they will get back in 99% of the time.
At the same time there are seats which are one or the other so the muppets in the constituency will change sides depending on how the last government did - Blair & Thatcher Legacies mean nothing to them.

Then of course the fact that as soon as a party gains power they are appear to be concentrating more on working out ways to make sure they stay in power rather than actually trying to carry out their election promises. Anything bold or inventive in their manifestos is chucked out the window so nothing ever really changes.

Like it or not the UK has a 2 party system just like the Yanks do. The only difference is at least the likes of Obama only get a maximum of 8 years in charge - 4 years to pander and play safe to make sure they get re-elected and then 4 years really pushing all the inventive, bold and in some cases controversial stuff without the pressure of working our your next election campaign.

If we are to stick with the FPTP system then it really needs a rule that a Prime-minister only gets max. 2 terms in charge. Perhaps we might see some improvement.

Personally I want to see Proportional Representation. but thanks to the propaganda campaigns and poor understanding of voting  structures in the UK Public that will never ever happen.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on October 25, 2013, 08:26:54 PM


In what way is the current political system bankrupt? I think they way in which they parties pick their candidates is pretty awful(do PPE at oxbridge, become an advisor = safe seat) but apart from this aspect the actual system seems fine to me? The policies introduced(continued erosion of civil liberties, total lack of economic or game theory knowledge, lack of expertise, pandering to the lowest common dominator) are a problem but that is due to the policies people vote for not the system.

That's quite a lot in itself right there. It is quite a restricted and similar group of policies folk have to choose from and it's getting smaller. More and more people are becoming disaffected by a political class that are completely disconnected from the voters. Hardly anyone votes. You don't think that makes the system a bit fucked?   
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on October 27, 2013, 12:03:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/russell-brand-not-only-dangerous_b_4155341.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/russell-brand-not-only-dangerous_b_4155341.html)

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on October 27, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/russell-brand-not-only-dangerous_b_4155341.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/russell-brand-not-only-dangerous_b_4155341.html)

I understand what Lustig says and in some parts agree but he does rope in the aftermath of the various Arab springs in regard to the importance of voting, basically fledgling democracies, hardly a reasonable comparison with a country who are more and more disinterested in politics. It's a bit more of a personal attack rather than actually addressing much of what motivated Brand's viewpoint, in fact it largely ignores his well put points. Brand himself said in the interview he was hardly likely to describe an alternative to the status quo in a 10 minute interview.

The fact is Brand remains largely correct, though advocating not voting won't help, a legitimate point Lustig makes. But is he wrong to say what he thinks is wrong with the system without describing in detail what an alternative would be? 
 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: maverick sheep on October 27, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
battle at the minute is between greens and ukip for the dregs. significant though because if ukip start getting elected (they're aiming for an MEP in Scotland next year) then we have allowed viscous right wing scum to waltz into mainstream politics.


Not sure it's even avoidable  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on October 27, 2013, 10:35:05 PM
battle at the minute is between greens and ukip for the dregs. significant though because if ukip start getting elected (they're aiming for an MEP in Scotland next year) then we have allowed viscous right wing scum to waltz into mainstream politics.


Not sure it's even avoidable  :hammer:

Like of UKIP always gather support in hard times because they are easy for those looking for a scapegoat for their problems to get behind.

Personally i reckon Farage is gonna give up in a couple of years. As UKIP gets more popular the press put a bit more effort in and are discovering the dithering old fools and borderline national front young muppets that form a fairly big chunk of their team and old Nigel is getting sick and tired of them fucking with his grand vision
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on October 27, 2013, 11:36:21 PM
Ukip wont do anything at all lasting.

Neither will the greens.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on November 05, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
Retort to Russel Brand's piece in the New Statesman


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[/size]Dear Russell,[/size]Hi. We’ve met about twice, so I should probably reintroduce myself: I’m the other one from Peep Show. I read your thing on revolution (http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/russell-choosing-vote-most-british-kind-revolution-there) in these pages with great interest and some concern. My first reaction was to rejoin the Labour Party. The Jiffy bag containing the plastic membership card and the Tristram Hunt action figure is, I am assured, in the post. I just wanted to tell you why I did that because I thought you might want to hear from someone who a) really likes your work, b) takes you seriously as a thoughtful person and c) thinks you’re wilfully talking through your arse about something very important.
[/size]It’s about influence and engagement. You have a theoretical 7.1 million (mostly young) followers on Twitter. They will have their own opinions about everything and I have no intention of patronising them. But what I will say is that when I was 15, if Stephen Fry had advised me to trim my eyebrows with a Flymo, I would have given it serious consideration. I don’t think it’s your job to tell young people that they should engage with the political process. But I do think that when you end a piece about politics with the injunction “I will never vote and I don’t think you should either”, then you’re actively telling a lot of people that engagement with our democracy is a bad idea. That just gives politicians the green light to neglect the concerns of young people because they’ve been relieved of the responsibility of courting their vote.
[/size]Why do pensioners (many of whom are not poor old grannies huddled round a kerosene lamp for warmth but bloated ex-hippie baby boomers who did very well out of the Thatcher/Lawson years) get so much attention from politicians? Because they vote.
[/size]Many of the young, the poor, the people you write about are in desperate need of support. The last Labour government didn’t do enough and bitterly disappointed many voters. But, at the risk of losing your attention, on the whole they helped. Opening Sure Start centres, introducing and raising the minimum wage, making museums free, guaranteeing nursery places, blah blah blah: nobody is going to write a folk song about this stuff and I’m aware of the basic absurdity of what I’m trying to achieve here, like getting Liberace to give a shit about the Working Tax Credit, but these policies among many others changed the real lives of millions of real people for the better.
[/size]This is exactly what the present coalition is in the business of tearing to pieces. They are not interested in helping unlucky people – they want to scapegoat and punish them. You specifically object to George Osborne’s challenge to the EU’s proposed cap on bankers’ bonuses. Labour simply wouldn’t be doing that right now. They are not all the same. “They’re all the same” is what reactionaries love to hear. It leaves the status quo serenely untroubled, it cedes the floor to the easy answers of Ukip and the Daily Mail. No, if you want to be a nuisance to the people whom you most detest in public life, vote. And vote Labour.
[/size]You talk of “obediently X-ing a little box”. Is that really how it feels to you? Obedience? There’s a lot that people interested in shaping their society can do in between elections – you describe yourself as an activist, among other things – but election day is when we really are the masters. We give them another chance or we tell them to get another job. If I thought I worked for David Cameron rather than the other way round, I don’t know how I’d get out of bed in the morning.
[/size]Maybe it’s this timidity in you that leads you into another mistake: the idea that revolution is un-British. Actually, in the modern era, the English invented it, when we publicly decapitated Charles I in 1649. We got our revolution out of the way long before the French and the Americans. The monarchy was restored but the sovereignty of our parliament, made up of and elected by a slowly widening constituency of the people, has never been seriously challenged since then. Aha! Until now, you say! By those pesky, corporate, global, military-industrial conglomerate bastards! Well, yes. So national parliaments and supernational organisations such as the EU need more legitimacy. That’s more votes, not fewer.
[/size]You’re a wonderful talker but on the page you sometimes let your style get ahead of what you actually think. In putting the words “aesthetically” and “disruption” in the same sentence, you come perilously close to saying that violence can be beautiful. Do keep an eye on that. Ambiguity around ambiguity is forgivable in an unpublished poet and expected of an arts student on the pull: for a professional comedian demoting himself to the role of “thinker”, with stadiums full of young people hanging on his every word, it won’t really do.
[/size]What were the chances, in the course of human history, that you and I should be born into an advanced liberal democracy? That we don’t die aged 27 because we can’t eat because nobody has invented fluoride toothpaste? That we can say what we like, read what we like, love whom we want; that nobody is going to kick the door down in the middle of the night and take us or our children away to be tortured? The odds were vanishingly small. Do I wake up every day and thank God that I live in 21st-century Britain? Of course not. But from time to time I recognise it as an unfathomable privilege. On Remembrance Sunday, for a start. And again when I read an intelligent fellow citizen ready to toss away the hard-won liberties of his brothers and sisters because he’s bored.
[/size]I understand your ache for the luminous, for a connection beyond yourself. Russell, we all feel like that. Some find it in music or literature, some in the wonders of science and others in religion. But it isn’t available any more in revolution. We tried that again and again, and we know that it ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder. In brief, and I say this with the greatest respect, please read some fucking Orwell.
[/size]Good luck finding whatever it is you’re looking for and while you do, may your God go with you.
[/size]Rob
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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on November 05, 2013, 07:03:02 PM
That too is excellent. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on December 04, 2013, 10:55:40 AM
What would the flag of the rUK be if Scotland left?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017)


This design includes the black background and gold cross of the Welsh St David flag
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71517000/jpg/_71517174_uk-goldlead.jpg)


The second seeks to address the same issue, but by borrowing elements of Wales' current national flag - the field of green and white that lies behind its red dragon.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71502000/jpg/_71502906_union-like-(2).jpg)


A more modern interpretation of the design, including the colours of St David's flag and retaining the Scottish blue - to reflect the fact that Scotland would continue to share the British monarchy.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71518000/jpg/_71518678_flaginstitute_unitedbritain(3).jpg)


Remove the white of St Andrew's saltire and imposes a crown and Royal Standard - including England's three lions, the red Scottish lion and the Welsh harp.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71504000/jpg/_71504809_royal1(2).jpg)


The design removes the Scottish elements from the flag entirely, and adds the Royal Crest, surrounded by a garland of items symbolic of the Commonwealth nations.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71504000/jpg/_71504811_ukcommonwealth(2).jpg)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71502000/jpg/_71502903_uk-various.jpg)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71502000/jpg/_71502909_viewer-(2).jpg)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71502000/jpg/_71502968_commonwealth-like-(2).jpg)

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'kitsch tongue-in-cheek'
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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on December 04, 2013, 01:06:40 PM
My poor eyes.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on December 04, 2013, 02:51:58 PM
My poor eyes.

Not forgetting your poor ears from listening to Coldplay.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on December 04, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
Not forgetting your poor ears from listening to Coldplay.

 :lolabove: +1
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on December 05, 2013, 08:10:18 AM
Not forgetting your poor ears from listening to Coldplay.


Was listening to their live gig from Paris CD in the car this morning.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: octavion on December 07, 2013, 06:24:44 PM
Hun work type person today says every hun will vote no and if it did scotland will become like northern Ireland so it will never happen   ::)
Thats my deepest fears from  the morons
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Madbadteacher on December 07, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
"Hun work" not two words you often see together
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on December 08, 2013, 04:07:43 AM
Hun work type person today says every hun will vote no and if it did scotland will become like northern Ireland so it will never happen   ::)
Thats my deepest fears from  the morons


If Scotland votes no I am leaving. Think I might go to Denmark after watching the bridge.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on December 08, 2013, 11:10:32 AM

If Scotland votes no I am leaving. Think I might go to Denmark after watching the bridge.
i will be doing the same, can not see another 100+years ruled by tories or worse libour.  :-[
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on December 09, 2013, 09:59:49 AM

If Scotland votes no I am leaving. Think I might go to Denmark after watching the bridge.

I just actually lolled.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on December 09, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
Hun work type person today says every hun will vote no and if it did scotland will become like northern Ireland so it will never happen   ::)
Thats my deepest fears from  the morons

Good old British values
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on January 03, 2014, 09:44:32 PM
In Korean politics:

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224 (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224)
Quote
THE execution of Jang Song Thaek, the No. 2 man in North Korea, took Beijing by surprise and will adversely affect bilateral relations.
Beijing's displeasure is expressed through the publication of a detailed account of Jang's brutal execution in Wen Wei Po, its official mouthpiece, in Hong Kong, on Dec 12.
According to the report, unlike previous executions of political prisoners which were carried out by firing squads with machine guns, Jang was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs.
The report said the entire process lasted for an hour, with Mr Kim Jong Un, the supreme leader in North Korea, supervising it along with 300 senior officials.
The horrifying report vividly depicted the brutality of the young North Korean leader. The fact that it appeared in a Beijing- controlled newspaper showed that China no longer cares about its relations with the Kim regime.

 :o
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on January 05, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
In Korean politics:

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224 (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224)
 :o


If that's true then that's utterly barbaric. The cunt needs to be put out of his misery.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on January 06, 2014, 07:43:55 AM
My housemate is a journalist and is convinced that due to the source (dirty Chinese media) which are known to be unreliable, its not likely. He said that the general feeling was that he'd been killed via anti-aircraft gun fire...slightly less brutal I guess...
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on January 07, 2014, 08:42:29 AM
That shouldn't shock me but it does. I just hope it's not true.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on January 08, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
My housemate is a journalist and is convinced that due to the source (dirty Chinese media) which are known to be unreliable, its not likely. He said that the general feeling was that he'd been killed via anti-aircraft gun fire...slightly less brutal I guess...

Did they float him on a balloon?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 21, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27105374

I am deeply concerned at this sort of shit.

I don't like pinning my hopes that the majority of the fuckwits I meet who go on about how great UKIP is are the same sort of fuckwits who wont bother their arses to register or waddle down to the polling stations come election day.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 29, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Nice product placement:

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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 23, 2014, 03:07:10 AM
Nice product placement:

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Vote no vote UKIP. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 23, 2014, 08:03:55 AM
Bit of a wake up call for the other parties this morning, they're not doing enough to counter UKIP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 23, 2014, 09:48:08 AM
Bit of a wake up call for the other parties this morning, they're not doing enough to counter UKIP.

EDIT:  A potential Tory/UKIP coalition at the next general election would do wonders for the Yes vote in the Scottish independence referendum.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on May 23, 2014, 11:59:25 PM
Think the worrying thing is that the "main" parties will now focus on trying to attract the votes of those whom, for some reason have felt obliged to drag their carcasses from their pits to, vote BNP ( I of course mean Farage). At the loss of those, pertaining regular or higher than average intelligence, who feel disenfranchised with the UK political process.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 24, 2014, 03:44:00 AM
Think the worrying thing is that the "main" parties will now focus on trying to attract the votes of those whom, for some reason have felt obliged to drag their carcasses from their pits to, vote BNP ( I of course mean Farage). At the loss of those, pertaining regular or higher than average intelligence, who feel disenfranchised with the UK political process.

I'm also worried that although Scotland thinks of itself as "left wing" there is a lot of folk who are anti immigration, pro death penalty and pro government interference in our lives when all three are a big interference in the advancement of the economy.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: mizer on May 26, 2014, 12:16:29 PM
The UKIP guy who sneaked in here in Scotland has been reported to police for potentially falsifing registration address documents. Has lived in Kensington, London for 15 years but claimed to have moved to Edinburgh.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 26, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
Stunned at the number of votes right wing lunatic fringe got in Scotland. I really am surprised that so many Scots would vote for a party that clearly dispises them. A little less proud to be Scottish today.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: jmo on May 26, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Stunned at the number of votes right wing lunatic fringe got in Scotland. I really am surprised that so many Scots would vote for a party that clearly dispises them. A little less proud to be Scottish today.

In what way does UKIP despise Scottish people?

But yeah, it's sad to see how well UKIP have done. I think people are seeing as a protest vote and a comment on the EU more than anything else.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 26, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
In what way does UKIP despise Scottish people?

But yeah, it's sad to see how well UKIP have done. I think people are seeing as a protest vote and a comment on the EU more than anything else.

Cannot find the link just now but one of their senior members is on record as describing Scots as "whinning subsiday junkies" or something similar.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 26, 2014, 08:31:46 PM
Cannot find the link just now but one of their senior members is on record as describing Scots as "whinning subsiday junkies" or something similar.
That was Lord Monkton, the president of UKIP in Scotland, who said : "The Scots are subsidy junkies whingeing like a trampled bagpipe as they wait for their next fix of English taxpayer's money."
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 26, 2014, 08:51:53 PM
Farage also labelling the protesters he faced last May in Edinburgh as 'Fascist Scum', 'Racist' and 'displaying a total hatred of the english'. Also hanging up on Radio Scotland when he was being asked about much he knew about Scottish Politics and the lack of UKIP support North of the border etc

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 27, 2014, 09:11:54 AM
That was Lord Monkton, the president of UKIP in Scotland, who said : "The Scots are subsidy junkies whingeing like a trampled bagpipe as they wait for their next fix of English taxpayer's money."


Apparently he's not a Lord. And the House of Lords had to write to him to ask him to stop claiming to be a Lord.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 27, 2014, 11:38:49 AM

Apparently he's not a Lord. And the House of Lords had to write to him to ask him to stop claiming to be a Lord.

He the guy that looks like a rapist?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 27, 2014, 11:47:32 AM
He the guy that looks like a rapist?

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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 27, 2014, 12:38:49 PM
He the guy that looks like a rapist?


Yes. Although if I was a rapist I'd be offended by that.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Dandy_Don on May 27, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
I'm also worried that although Scotland thinks of itself as "left wing" there is a lot of folk who are anti immigration, pro death penalty and pro government interference in our lives when all three are a big interference in the advancement of the economy.

Eh?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 27, 2014, 02:28:52 PM
Eh?

If you just stop reading after 'death penalty', it kind of makes sense.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 27, 2014, 03:16:12 PM
Eh?

Listening to call kaye and the like you just hear folk phoning in and constantly wanting the government to ban things. It's depressing and counter productive in many ways. Also if my posts don't make sense check the time. If they are after 0230, in general, you should just ignore them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 27, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Listening to call kaye and the like you just hear folk phoning in and constantly wanting the government to ban things. It's depressing and counter productive in many ways. Also if my posts don't make sense check the time. If they are after 0230, in general, you should just ignore them.

I admire your honesty Andrew  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 28, 2014, 02:30:46 AM
I admire your honesty Andrew  ;D

I fucking love your posts too. It should be after only 0230 but the clubs in Aberdeen close really early.

Edit: I shall be away for a bit on Tuesday and shall hopefully have a job soon so my drunken nonsense shall hopefully be finished.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 28, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
I fucking love your posts too. It should be after only 0230 but the clubs in Aberdeen close really early.

Edit: I shall be away for a bit on Tuesday and shall hopefully have a job soon so my drunken nonsense shall hopefully be finished.


That'd be really tremendous.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on May 29, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Joey Barton on Question time...
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on December 02, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
http://magazine.good.is/articles/neo-nazis-tricked?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Source&utm_campaign=goodfb


Fair play to the local residents, one way to completely get right up these cunts.  Nice touch with the bananas too :D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on March 17, 2015, 09:32:13 AM
Interesting listen - Sturgeon at LSE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5hSkqBqgU
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on March 24, 2015, 08:24:23 PM
had to laugh tonight when i got home as my dad went off on a bender because i will not vote Labour. Claims if we all vote SNP up here the tories will win the general election.

Yet just 6 months ago he was the FIRST one voting for the tories through Labour. All i will say not matter what happens in a few months time, the 55% of the country had a chance a slim one to be RID of the Tories for good.

Wait and see the death of the army, death of the nhs, death of Christianity in this country when the tories along with the UKIP get into power.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on March 24, 2015, 08:46:06 PM
had to laugh tonight when i got home as my dad went off on a bender because i will not vote Labour. Claims if we all vote SNP up here the tories will win the general election.

Yet just 6 months ago he was the FIRST one voting for the tories through Labour. All i will say not matter what happens in a few months time, the 55% of the country had a chance a slim one to be RID of the Tories for good.

Wait and see the death of the army, death of the nhs, death of Christianity in this country when the tories along with the UKIP get into power.

That sounds fantastic.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Superstar Tradesman on March 25, 2015, 02:02:06 AM
Take it from me, the worst thing that can happen to the UK or Scotland is the death of the NHS.

Regardless of how shite you think it may be, how long waiting lists are, or how poor the standards might appear, you honestly don't know how good you have it until you live somewhere that you have to pay for medical care.  I am currently paying around £450/month for medical cover and I am lucky enough to have the funds to do so.  If I wasn't then I'd more than likely be self medicating or thinking, "do i really need to go get that dull ache in my kidneys seen to or will I just ride it out?".

I simply cannot stress how terrible it is walking into an emergency ward or doctors clinic, reaching for your wallet and thinking “Am I covered for this?  Can I afford it if I’m not?  How much is it going to cost?”

Free health care for ALL should be the bare minimum that your taxes pay for.  Medical care should not be a privilege.  Remember when we used to laugh at Americans for having to pay for health care?  No good can come from heading in that direction, it's a massive step backwards.

The powers that be have continually and intentionally ran the NHS into the ground, worked the staff to breaking point and lowered budgets to make it unmanageable.

How many times have you heard about someone waiting years for an operation?  How many sob stories in the papers have you read about someone who was left to die in a corridor because there wasn't enough beds?  How many reports have you seen on the evening news about someone being turned away then kicking the bucket at home shortly after?

It's a fucking disgrace, but not because of the NHS, they're the ones trying to look after you despite being shackled.

The government are running it into the ground so that when they sell it off to their mates', the companies that are in bed with the government, we'll all rejoice that we're getting a tip-top service.  The hospitals will be like 5 star hotels, the beds will be lush, you'll have a flat screen tv in every room and you'll be paying fucking megabucks for it.  Every scan, every jab, every check-up, every rubber glove will appear on your bill.  You'll be lining the pockets of millionaires and MP's who will be profiting off of the sick and elderly.

It's fucking disgusting and simply cannot be allowed to happen.

Regardless of what you think of this guy, get past it, and listen to the facts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs4Few3CbIw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs4Few3CbIw)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on March 25, 2015, 10:23:18 AM
The USA health system is awful but that isn't true for all insurance based health care countries. Just look at Germany or Switzerland systems instead for what a future UK without the NHS could look like.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on March 25, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
http://news.sky.com/story/1452113/salmond-reveals-plans-to-lock-out-tories (http://news.sky.com/story/1452113/salmond-reveals-plans-to-lock-out-tories)

i would urge EVERY scot to vote for the SNP this GE.

the choice just like the 55% of you that voted to STAY IN THE UK, you all have blood on your hands if the tories get back into power and especially with (God forbid please) UKIP

The best we can get is a Labour / SNP Coalition in charge (and the SNP can even be better for the English voters too !)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/half-private-firms-behind-nhs-5347268 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/half-private-firms-behind-nhs-5347268)

Half of private firms behind NHS privatisation have links to Tories
00:25, 17 March 2015 By Andrew Gregory

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/budget-2015-ed-miliband-warns-5357501 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/budget-2015-ed-miliband-warns-5357501)

Budget 2015: Ed Miliband warns the Tories have a "secret plan" for NHS cuts

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/osborne-accused-of-secret-plan-to-cut-nhs-and-raise-vat.121034945 (http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/osborne-accused-of-secret-plan-to-cut-nhs-and-raise-vat.121034945)

Osborne accused of "secret" plan to cut NHS and raise VAT

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scunnered999 on March 25, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
SNP are just like the rest of them a bunch of lying c@nts, only difference is the SNP are arrogant lying c@nts
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 01, 2015, 12:32:06 PM
I would urge every scot, welshie, englander, and n.ironer to read the various party manifestos, look at the track record of your current mp/ local government and then make your decision rather than listen to the media spin. Who knows you might end up with an independant representing you with a 3-4 party coalition in Westminster and maybe that could be a good thing or potentially a disaster but let's see what happens eh?

Oh and turn up and vote. Takes 5 mins and it sends a message to the twats in power that they may not be as safe as they think they are.

However I predict a 54% turnout
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 01, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
SNP are just like the rest of them a bunch of lying c@nts, only difference is the SNP are arrogant lying c@nts

Indeed.
It's almost like picking who's the better cunt out of a shower of self serving cunts.
I might vote independent!

What Tom says is correct though, especially regaring the track record of your current MP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 01, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1452113/salmond-reveals-plans-to-lock-out-tories (http://news.sky.com/story/1452113/salmond-reveals-plans-to-lock-out-tories)

i would urge EVERY scot to vote for the SNP this GE.

the choice just like the 55% of you that voted to STAY IN THE UK, you all have blood on your hands if the tories get back into power and especially with (God forbid please) UKIP

The best we can get is a Labour / SNP Coalition in charge (and the SNP can even be better for the English voters too !)

You're aware that the Tories are more likely to allow another independence referendum than Labour?  Political suicide for Labour to see Scotland go independent.

Also, every seat the SNP take off Labour in the GE means a Tory government is more likely, such is our first past the post system.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on April 01, 2015, 03:49:06 PM
Also, every seat the SNP take off Labour in the GE means a Tory government is more likely, such is our first past the post system.

No it doesn't.  That is exactly the opposite of true.

For a Tory government to form, it would need the support of the majority of all MPs across all parties.

As the SNP have already committed to voting down any potential Tory government, replacing 'Scottish' Labour MPs with SNP ones makes precisely 0 difference to the chances of a Tory government forming.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on April 01, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
SNP are just like the rest of them a bunch of lying c@nts, only difference is the SNP are arrogant lying c@nts


Aye because Labour and the Tories are in it for the good of the country.  ::)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 01, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
No it doesn't.  That is exactly the opposite of true.

For a Tory government to form, it would need the support of the majority of all MPs across all parties.

As the SNP have already committed to voting down any potential Tory government, replacing 'Scottish' Labour MPs with SNP ones makes precisely 0 difference to the chances of a Tory government forming.

Tend to disagree: if no party has enough votes to form it's own government, it'll be the largest party who is allowed to have it's first chance to create a coalition - the Tories could cobble together DUP, Lib Dem and UKIP or whoever and try and govern the country that way.  The only way Labour will have first chance to create a coalition will be to have more seats than the Tories, and the SNP will scupper that.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on April 01, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
Tend to disagree: if no party has enough votes to form it's own government, it'll be the largest party who is allowed to have it's first chance to create a coalition - the Tories could cobble together DUP, Lib Dem and UKIP or whoever and try and govern the country that way.  The only way Labour will have first chance to create a coalition will be to have more seats than the Tories, and the SNP will scupper that.

There is no rule that says that the party with the largest number of seats gets first attempt.  It is the previous prime minister who has first attempt, regardless of which is the biggest party.

If the combination of ALL other parties, Tory, DUP, Lib Dem, UKIP etc have less than Labour and the SNP combined, then they will not be able to pass a Queens speech or vote of confidence and so quite simply cannot cobble together any kind of government, no matter how much they may wish to.

As such, swapping SNP for Labour MPs makes precisely no difference in terms of the Tories' chances of being in government.

The mantra that 'the largest party gets to form a government' is quite simply a lie, being trumpeted by the Labour party in order to try and scare people into voting for them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on April 01, 2015, 04:50:02 PM
Labour and scare tactics? That sounds awfully familiar.  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 01, 2015, 09:20:01 PM
Have to say, I don't have much choice but to vote labour where I live as the alternatives are not really alternatives. I'd otherwise vote green.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on April 01, 2015, 11:25:12 PM
If the combination of ALL other parties, Tory, UKIP

That there is a disaster waiting to happen, IF they had the seat power. Labour are scaremongering now as they know the polling just now would more or less WIPE scottish labour just like the tories did. After lib dems lies and the fact they jumped into bed with the tories has killed there vote all over the uk.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/01/election-2015-100-business-leaders-letter-back-conservatives (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/01/election-2015-100-business-leaders-letter-back-conservatives)

" Ashcroft poll says Clegg on course to lose his seat "  Oh please please, Sheffield kick this rat out
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on April 02, 2015, 07:31:36 PM
Rioja cracked open, lounging out on sofa waiting for the big debate.
Wonder who is going to come across as the biggest tit of the lot of them.
I use the description "biggest tit" because frankly one is just about as bad as the other.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 02, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
Dull as fuck IMHO. Not convinced the format has worked. Too many taking part.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stupie82 on April 02, 2015, 10:23:46 PM
7 is a lot, but i think it was handled in a decent way. Thon presenter leading the debate was quite assertive and didnt let them cut each other up with their opinions. I preferred it to the Cameron/Milli debate last week it, thats for sure.

I see the YouGov snap poll gave it to Sturgeon which is quite surprising, although I thought she handled it very well tonight.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on April 02, 2015, 11:00:45 PM
Dull as fuck IMHO. Not convinced the format has worked. Too many taking part.

I was bored by the time they had done their opening statements and finished debating the opening question from the audience which must have taken the guts of thirty minutes  ::)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 03, 2015, 12:07:04 AM
You ignorant loser cunts on low wages and sad lives.

It was an awesome debate.

Not only did Wales, Scotland and Green come out well, the four Englishmen were proven mad.

It was a women superiority v. men happening.

Something your stupid feeble little minds were incapable of observing.

Maybe you're all Muslim cunts?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 03, 2015, 12:19:05 AM
You ignorant loser cunts on low wages and sad lives.

It was an awesome debate.

Not only did Wales, Scotland and Green come out well, the four Englishmen were proven mad.

It was a women superiority v. men happening.

Something your stupid feeble little minds were incapable of observing.

Maybe you're all Muslim cunts?

Or maybe you enjoy dull politik speak? This sort of debate ties peoples to one party or one leader. Why should you listen to leaders who will never be made accountable to their actions? Why should you listen to anyway of them as your vote, which is all they are after, is totally inconsequential anyway?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on April 03, 2015, 10:07:49 AM
Or maybe you enjoy dull politik speak? This sort of debate ties peoples to one party or one leader. Why should you listen to leaders who will never be made accountable to their actions? Why should you listen to anyway of them as your vote, which is all they are after, is totally inconsequential anyway?

I reckon you and I might accord on substantive matters. It was what wasn't said that was the meat.

The best thing to come out of it was the collapse of Cameron. In the Commons at PMQ he is so assured of himself as he eats, swallows, regurgitates and re-gorges on the bones of wee Mili Winkie. In that forum, he was incredibly unconvincing, much more so than I considered he would be.

The value is this. It guarantees a hung parliament. People are finally starting to see through Westminster politics. The marginals, Wales, Scotland and Green came out of it better than they could have hoped. Sturgeon was fantastic, the only statesperson on show. All four men were shown to be insane. Change is coming. That debate helped it come.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 03, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Missed it last night and watching it now. I actually agree that the men are coming out very badly, farage looks like a bumbling racist nut job like he is ( why is he constantly bouncing when he speaks), milliband is obsessed with saying 5 years, but the presenter is terrible. Has no authority and cannot control the debate / sniping at all. Very impressed with the women in the debate.
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Post by: Kowalski on April 03, 2015, 10:43:38 AM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/82097000/jpg/_82097092_graphic.jpg)

but the presenter is terrible. Has no authority and cannot control the debate / sniping at all. Very impressed with the women in the debate.

She was rubbish.
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Post by: BigAl on April 03, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/82097000/jpg/_82097092_graphic.jpg)



All of which just goes to show there was no clear winner on the night, and opinion polls are only as accurate as the cross section of folk you ask and how honest they are in answering  :-*
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Post by: Stupie82 on April 03, 2015, 11:06:32 PM
The Daily Mails take on Nic'

(http://i.imgur.com/TFGONsW.jpg)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 04, 2015, 08:17:29 AM
She's had a lot of positive press down here, think a lot people really underestimated her. Outside the realms of the referendum, the rest of the uk are now seeing her as the true politician she is rather than being blinkered by her ultimate aims. Very good to see.
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Post by: Stupie82 on April 04, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
She's had a lot of positive press down here, think a lot people really underestimated her. Outside the realms of the referendum, the rest of the uk are now seeing her as the true politician she is rather than being blinkered by her ultimate aims. Very good to see.

Though this is maybe why she is now getting stories in the press about her wanting the Conservatives to be in government. A soon as she seems to be any threat to British unity or policies, the negative press ensues. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that she wants a Labour government, she is left wing, her party is left wing and its not like the Conservatives have been of any use to Scotland over the years and the SNP have made no secret of their hatred towards the Cons. Now the press is trying to portray her as a turncoat or liar and its typical of the British MSM to act like this towards an SNP leader.
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Post by: bearsdenred on April 04, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
Though this is maybe why she is now getting stories in the press about her wanting the Conservatives to be in government. A soon as she seems to be any threat to British unity or policies, the negative press ensues. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that she wants a Labour government, she is left wing, her party is left wing and its not like the Conservatives have been of any use to Scotland over the years and the SNP have made no secret of their hatred towards the Cons. Now the press is trying to portray her as a turncoat or liar and its typical of the British MSM to act like this towards an SNP leader.

rumours doing the internal rounds is that Labour made up that memo and released it to the telegraph in the hope of upsetting the Scottish people to vote for them instead of SNP.

as they now know with poll after poll they are on for a hiding in the GE in Scotland
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Post by: rocket_scientist on April 05, 2015, 07:14:17 AM
Eds Miliband and Balls are unelectable. The fact that Labour will get a third of the seats throughout the UK is a testament to habit, indoctrination and non-thinking. A system that is inherently corrupt and the absence of credible alternatives will drive some votes towards Labour but the idiots who vote Labour because their fathers and their grandfathers did and believing that they stand for something, even pretending that these public schoolboys represent socialist ideals and integrity are so thick it is arguable that they even have the intellectual capacity to vote. Balls himself is an intellectual gnat, as proved this week with his defective numeracy skills.
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Post by: donsdaft on April 05, 2015, 10:05:15 AM
It will be a tory majority government.
Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

Could get interesting.
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Post by: Stupie82 on April 05, 2015, 12:35:19 PM
It will be a tory majority government.
Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

Could get interesting.

Cant see a majority government myself. I think coalition governments are here to stay for a while yet, but yes could be very interesting indeed. The SNP are making waves up here and its interesting that despite many people voting 'no', they are still willing to back the SNP in an election. That to me speaks volumes. 
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Post by: manc_don on April 05, 2015, 12:55:28 PM
Cant see a majority government myself. I think coalition governments are here to stay for a while yet, but yes could be very interesting indeed. The SNP are making waves up here and its interesting that despite many people voting 'no', they are still willing to back the SNP in an election. That to me speaks volumes. 

Agreed, no way will it be a majority tory government. A lot of people are pissed off down here, which concerns me that it will be a Tory and UKIP coalition but I am hoping that I'm wrong. Even more reason for getting a strong government north of the border to make sure no-one takes any of the nonsense coming from Westminster.
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Post by: tom_widdows on April 05, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
Has something happened in the 2 weeks i've been out of the country?
The idea of a Tory/UKIP coalition was ludicrous to me when I left but in the last couple of days Ive seen a few people bringing it up.

I doubt UKIP will actually keep the seat they got in that by-election let alone get enough to allow the Tories or Labour etc to just have them as their coalition partner.

As I see it there are only 4 parties with big enough exiting support to form a 2 party coalition and UKIP aint one of them

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on April 06, 2015, 07:42:50 AM
Tom the only ones spouting this nonsense about UKIP are sky news. As you know up in Scotland there is 0 / Nil support for this racist nugget in the UKIP party. You will see during the GE UKIP's vote more or less increase constituent of 0-4% which is nothing to even yap about.

only reason hes in the news is to try take votes away from labour down south. Our main hope is that the SNP have enough seats to assist whoever is there to take power. The SNP have made it loud and clear if milliband wants number 10 and needs our support he has it. But his own party still believe they can swing the votes in tory areas which they will not.

 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 06, 2015, 10:10:58 AM
Tom the only ones spouting this nonsense about UKIP are sky news. As you know up in Scotland there is 0 / Nil support for this racist nugget in the UKIP party. You will see during the GE UKIP's vote more or less increase constituent of 0-4% which is nothing to even yap about.

only reason hes in the news is to try take votes away from labour down south. Our main hope is that the SNP have enough seats to assist whoever is there to take power. The SNP have made it loud and clear if milliband wants number 10 and needs our support he has it. But his own party still believe they can swing the votes in tory areas which they will not.

I'm not so sure, I thought Cameron was quoted last saying he would happily consider it and they are gaining plenty of support in England. ukip aren't big enough to do it yet, but the lib dems are dead. Its going to be one helluva interesting election.  Just hope people turn up for a change.
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Post by: tom_widdows on April 06, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
My question is where are UKIP going to get the votes to actually get a single seat?

As i see it traditional Lib Dems are not and never will be UKIP supporters and will be switching to the greens, Independants or go tactical.

Labour may lose a few votes to UKIP but I see their existing support being hell bent on stopping another 5 years of Tory rule so will stick to the red.

Little to non existant UKIP support in SNP areas.

Can't see the Welshies switching from their Nationals or Labour.

That leaves UKIP stealing votes from their right wing brothers which would be Tory, BNP, EDL and all that bullshit but thanks to the FPTP system that surely plays into the hands of Tory seat rivals.

There is the chance the 34.9% of the UK who didnt bother last time might show up and throw their support behind farage and co but I'm not holding my breath that they will.
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Post by: bearsdenred on April 06, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
its got to be the worst system politically ever, that just 33-40% of the vote gives you a government.

why doesnt the rest form one?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 06, 2015, 08:01:30 PM
its got to be the worst system politically ever, that just 33-40% of the vote gives you a government.

why doesnt the rest form one?

A little fact the 'pro-alternative vote' campaign completely failed to get across.

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Post by: Stupie82 on April 07, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
Jim Murphy just committed political suicide... spoke of how when he watches his football team (celtic) he expects them to win. This was in line with him always going into a competition to win. Muppet  :o

The debate is more of a debate this week, however the people in the crowd asking the questions sound like they couldnt take a piss with out wetting the front of their troosers.

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Post by: Tyrant on April 08, 2015, 08:36:03 AM
I watched a wee bit of this last night between Game of Thrones episodes. And it boiled my piss.  :hammer:

The wee fucking fanny asking Sturgeon if she still wanted independence and when she dared reply "yes" he whined about how the Scottish people had spoken and that we shouldn't have another referendum. Fine. He's entitled to his opinion but what annoyed me was that through all of this Sturgeon was saying that it wouldn't be her that decides that and that it would be up to the people of Scotland. Whether you believe her or not is not the point. The point is the question was asked and answered. Fucking move on. But whilst all this was happening the slimy prick that was moderating the thing was getting his tuppenceworth too. And he was constantly interrupting her answers. They really are terrified of being asked the question again! Not that I believe for a second that it would be a different result if we were. Let's fucking forget about independence for the time being and focus on this general election for the United Kingdom!!!! (Gads)
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Post by: manc_don on April 08, 2015, 01:58:29 PM
Is it worth a watch? Jim Murphy seems hell bent on committing political suicide these days, pretty much sums up Labour in Scotland though.

Noticed this today, did amuse me

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/photo-fail-nigel-farage-ukip-5478349

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5478417.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Screen-Shot-2015-04-08-at-121205.png)

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5477984.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Nigel-Farage-boards-the-Grimsby-pilot-boat-during-campaigning-in-Grimsby.jpg)

Going round with Joey Essex, pretty much sums up UKIP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on April 14, 2015, 08:32:49 AM
Tories launch their manifesto against a backdrop of "The Party for the working man".

Ye couldna mak it up  :dunno:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 16, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Anyone else watching the debate tonight?

Edit: Sturgeon coming across very well and getting plenty of applause.

Housing should be a massive topic, far more important than immigration imo. Sick to death of the amount of housing here in London that gets sold off to the Arabs / Chinese and russians. The housing crisis is caused by estate agents and estate agents alone. Fuckers.
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Post by: hilton on April 16, 2015, 09:20:03 PM
aye watching it .  sturgeon just seems as though she is a level above them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 16, 2015, 09:30:17 PM
aye watching it .  sturgeon just seems as though she is a level above them.

She exposed Milliband and made Farage look like the village idiot he is. Problem is, he isn't targeting the studio audience, but the numskull sat at home worried because he can smell curry from next door. I think he's a bit like the English rugby team, very good at what he does but absolutely loathsome and thinks he's better than he is.

It's good to see Sturgeon coming to the forefront of the rest of the british mind. Handled herself very well over the past two debates.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on April 16, 2015, 09:45:52 PM
Yet again the women spake sense and the men are proven to be totally insane.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stupie82 on April 16, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
She exposed Milliband and made Farage look like the village idiot he is. Problem is, he isn't targeting the studio audience, but the numskull sat at home worried because he can smell curry from next door. I think he's a bit like the English rugby team, very good at what he does but absolutely loathsome and thinks he's better than he is.

It's good to see Sturgeon coming to the forefront of the rest of the british mind. Handled herself very well over the past two debates.

She puts herself across very well and i think she benefits from the lack of 'smugness' that came with Salmond. I was a Salmond fan but i am very much a Nicola one now.

Farage is a first class penis. From what i can make of him, everything that is wrong with this country is down to immigrants. Thankfully only a complete divot would buy into his shite and its mainly the keyboard warriors that give him any sort of backing, but the danger is that if the Lab and Cons continue to balls it up then it gives UKIP more support. A protest vote they may be, but some of the public can be very fickle and protests votes can give them a platform to spout their rubbish. Despite as surge in popularity, i actually think UKIP will bomb at the election.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on April 16, 2015, 10:04:26 PM
I agree that Farage is penile and that UKIP attract divot votes. I also expect them to bomb at the election.

But one thing I do agree with him is on Europe. I wanted a truly independent Scotland, out of the demands and the expense of the EEC but knew that was never going to happen.

When Farage as a MEP attacked the system in that famous speech, I was hugely optimistic that here was a guy who said it like it is and had the balls to confront the real issue facing global politics. So him turning into such an insular racist knob was disappointing. He's also a divisive cunt, his continuing use of Hadrian's wall being a low blow, deliberately engineered.
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Post by: Stupie82 on April 16, 2015, 10:21:44 PM
I agree that Farage is penile and that UKIP attract divot votes. I also expect them to bomb at the election.

But one thing I do agree with him is on Europe. I wanted a truly independent Scotland, out of the demands and the expense of the EEC but knew that was never going to happen.

When Farage as a MEP attacked the system in that famous speech, I was hugely optimistic that here was a guy who said it like it is and had the balls to confront the real issue facing global politics. So him turning into such an insular racist knob was disappointing. He's also a divisive cunt, his continuing use of Hadrian's wall being a low blow, deliberately engineered.

I think Farage needs a lesson on what lies north of Hadrians wall, as he clearly thinks the wall is the border between the two countries. Just another reason why i cant take the man seriously. His anti-Scottish rhetoric doesnt sit well with me either and the constant berating of non-Brits is tiring also. If he could put forward his arguments without blaming it on immigrants, then one could begin to sympathise, but instead he comes across like a raving lunatic, out of touch with reality.

Despite the fact that the SNP wanted independence, they didnt want to be leave the EU. I support that and IMO the benefits of the EU outweigh the negatives of it. Farage and UKIP just dont appeal to me and never will, hence my negativity towards him.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on April 16, 2015, 10:29:39 PM
The cost of this additional tier of government in Brussels alone outweighs any benefit. The rest of Europe will continue to trade with Scotland if we were not in the EEC. It's a wholly political alliance. Trade and economic alliances would remain irrespective of EEC membership.
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Post by: manc_don on April 17, 2015, 09:49:54 AM
I think Farage needs a lesson on what lies north of Hadrians wall, as he clearly thinks the wall is the border between the two countries. Just another reason why i cant take the man seriously. His anti-Scottish rhetoric doesnt sit well with me either and the constant berating of non-Brits is tiring also. If he could put forward his arguments without blaming it on immigrants, then one could begin to sympathise, but instead he comes across like a raving lunatic, out of touch with reality.

Despite the fact that the SNP wanted independence, they didnt want to be leave the EU. I support that and IMO the benefits of the EU outweigh the negatives of it. Farage and UKIP just dont appeal to me and never will, hence my negativity towards him.

This pretty much sums up how I feel, although I also think he could do with a good kicking  ;)  But that's by the by. I just can't take anything he says seriously, but the problem is there are a lot of stupid people in this country that will swallow his rhetoric.  Don't get me wrong, there are a couple of the UKIP policies which make more sense than what other parties are proposing and he is charismatic, however the majority of what of it is just what the Tories wish they could say.

I saw a couple of poll's this morning where they showed him coming up in third place last night, which I find baffling.  He was completely shown up and had barely any applause from the audience, which says a lot in itself.  Thought Ed Milliband came across a bit weak at times and had their vague policies exposed.

Dimbleby was far better than that woman a couple of weeks ago imo my opinion. Only once did it get out of hand and he swiftly hammered them for it.
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Post by: Kowalski on April 17, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on April 17, 2015, 06:30:08 PM
Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?

It's the leaders debate. None of them are standing in my seat so she is just as relevant than the rest of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on April 18, 2015, 07:26:15 PM
Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?
Well, Ed Miliband isn't in "Scottish" labour (LOL) so we canna vote for him either :P
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stupie82 on April 18, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
Well, Ed Miliband isn't in "Scottish" labour (LOL) so we canna vote for him either :P

Thank christ  :laughing:

Mind you, Ed Mil or Jim the tim... tough een... well nae really, wouldnt vote Labour ever anyway  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 18, 2015, 10:28:20 PM
http://news.channel4.com/election2015/04/17/update-2993/

 :rofl:

Forward to 1min 35s
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Post by: phoenix on April 20, 2015, 10:42:56 AM
The torture never stops !

'Outlander'(Netflix and/or Show Box).
The Outlander series is set in Scotland in 1743 and it explores among other things the relationships and attitudes of British occupying military forces toward the local population. The picture painted is often one of British repression and brutality borne of visceral contempt for Scots.

Prime Minister David Cameron met with Sony Pictures representatives 2 1/2 months before indyref to discuss the impending release in Britain of the Outlander series, according to WIKILEAKS. The series premier broadcast was inexplicably delayed here until after the referendum.

http://www.weourselves.com/cameron-met-with-sony-pictures-about-release-date-of-outlander/
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on April 20, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
The torture never stops !

'Outlander'(Netflix and/or Show Box).
The Outlander series is set in Scotland in 1743 and it explores among other things the relationships and attitudes of British occupying military forces toward the local population. The picture painted is often one of British repression and brutality borne of visceral contempt for Scots.

Prime Minister David Cameron met with Sony Pictures representatives 2 1/2 months before indyref to discuss the impending release in Britain of the Outlander series, according to WIKILEAKS. The series premier broadcast was inexplicably delayed here until after the referendum.

http://www.weourselves.com/cameron-met-with-sony-pictures-about-release-date-of-outlander/


Wonder if that is worth a watch.
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Post by: phoenix on April 20, 2015, 11:15:04 AM

Wonder if that is worth a watch.

Watched episode one , Tyrant and enjoyed it , probably more accurate historically than Braveheart but I'm nae really qualified to say that.

Outlander
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt3006802/

http://showboxappdownload.com/
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 20, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
Watched episode one , Tyrant and enjoyed it , probably more accurate historically than Braveheart but I'm nae really qualified to say that.

Outlander
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt3006802/

http://showboxappdownload.com/

Star Wars is probably more historically accurate than Braveheart
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: phoenix on April 22, 2015, 04:38:12 PM
Yup! The boy's got the streech o' it.   :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/vGsx-Y_AwrA
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 30, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
Anyone watching question time on BBC at the mo?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 30, 2015, 09:26:57 PM
unfortunately its clashing with more important stuff

Cars that Rock with Brian Johnson
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on April 30, 2015, 09:39:51 PM
Anyone watching question time on BBC at the mo?
first 10 minutes of millibands speech i felt he just lost the election. dont think he will get enough seats, and gave up the chance to go into bed with the snp to get him elected.

Looks like Tories will win again   
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Edinburghdon on April 30, 2015, 09:59:48 PM
Anyone watching question time on BBC at the mo?

I missed the Westminster based parties but sat watching Nicola Sturgeon now, the entire first part was spent with the host trying to push her on the referendum. Quite disappointing really that the focus was kept on that despite her repeatedly saying the SNP have no plans to push for another referendum.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 30, 2015, 10:15:16 PM
Could have guessed they would ED. Its the same down here where everyone is worried about how the SNP would influence and push for another referendum. This isn't helping and obviously something they did say after the last but have since said isn't their focus or concern for the GE, but as Bearsden said, looks like Ed Miliband lost it. Even clegg got more applause than he did. He's deluded , in fact both he and Cameron are both deluded if they'll get a majority, but its hard to see where the alliances will form. The English parties are treating the SNP with the disdain they always have.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Edinburghdon on April 30, 2015, 10:27:15 PM
Could have guessed they would ED. Its the same down here where everyone is worried about how the SNP would influence and push for another referendum. This isn't helping and obviously something they did say after the last but have since said isn't their focus or concern for the GE, but as Bearsden said, looks like Ed Miliband lost it. Even clegg got more applause than he did. He's deluded , in fact both he and Cameron are both deluded if they'll get a majority, but its hard to see where the alliances will form. The English parties are treating the SNP with the disdain they always have.

It's a shame really, I agree that the SNP are being treated with the same disdain as ever.  The English parties need to wake up and realise that the SNP will probably hold a fair amount of power in the next government.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 30, 2015, 11:29:19 PM
Is anyone really that surprised that the 'neverendum' (as jim murphey called it) is the main topic the Main UK parties are bringing up?

I could be very wrong but I think in the back of Sturgeon's mind is 'how long will it take a fair chunk of the people who have suddenly joined our party/ are claiming to be out to vote for us to turn nasty if we haven't negotiated another referendum within x number of years?'

Personally their candidate in my constituency really haven't impressed me at all.
Based on her profile she has the life experience that is mandatory for anyone to get my support but to date the
only contact I have had is a letter telling me to object to a 'new' recycling plant down the road in the industrial estate - its actually an extension of an existing plant but you need to either look at the planning application or know the company to know this.
This letter was left outside my door (not posted through the letter box for some reason) along with a general SNP leaflet which mentioned the SNP 'invest in our traditional industries like science, innovation and engineering, while at the same time promoting new emerging sectors like renewables, the creative sector and life-sciences.'

The extension to this recycling plant is supposedly going to use new gasification technology to create both cheap electricity and heating to the local area much like similar plants currently in operation in Austria and Sweden. It will also almost double the amount of construction industry waste which can be recycled in the city.

The irony of the situation.

As for the other candidates

Lib Dems - Guy is in his early to mid 20s and according to his info has spent most of his adult life either learning about or being involved in politics  :hammer:
Cannabis is safer than alcohol party - Pointless in FPTP
Conservative - Slightly older version of Lib Dem Candidate
Communist - Just a step above the Cannabis lot IMO
Labour - Current MP (has been for 15 years) and based on his background (ex BT Engineer) he at least qualifies to be a politician in my book.
Green - Retired teacher who spent 20 years working in the East End of Glasgow. Much like Labour guy she appears to have the life experience which should be mandatory for any politician

Only the Labour and Greens are fielding the same candidates.

If the opinion polls are correct the SNP are going to snatch the seat from Labour. If so that is a hell of a swing. Labour took 54% of the vote in 2010. Lib Dems -16%, SNP -15%, Tories 10%


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: topcorner on April 30, 2015, 11:44:34 PM
It's a shame really, I agree that the SNP are being treated with the same disdain as ever.  The English parties need to wake up and realise that the SNP will probably hold a fair amount of power in the next government.

WTF are you doing watching politics shows? Just you do what the BBC tell you  >:D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on April 30, 2015, 11:57:16 PM
Is anyone really that surprised that the 'neverendum' (as jim murphey called it) is the main topic the Main UK parties are bringing up?

I could be very wrong but I think in the back of Sturgeon's mind is 'how long will it take a fair chunk of the people who have suddenly joined our party/ are claiming to be out to vote for us to turn nasty if we haven't negotiated another referendum within x number of years?'

Personally their candidate in my constituency really haven't impressed me at all.
Based on her profile she has the life experience that is mandatory for anyone to get my support but to date the
only contact I have had is a letter telling me to object to a 'new' recycling plant down the road in the industrial estate - its actually an extension of an existing plant but you need to either look at the planning application or know the company to know this.
This letter was left outside my door (not posted through the letter box for some reason) along with a general SNP leaflet which mentioned the SNP 'invest in our traditional industries like science, innovation and engineering, while at the same time promoting new emerging sectors like renewables, the creative sector and life-sciences.'

The extension to this recycling plant is supposedly going to use new gasification technology to create both cheap electricity and heating to the local area much like similar plants currently in operation in Austria and Sweden. It will also almost double the amount of construction industry waste which can be recycled in the city.

The irony of the situation.

As for the other candidates

Lib Dems - Guy is in his early to mid 20s and according to his info has spent most of his adult life either learning about or being involved in politics  :hammer:
Cannabis is safer than alcohol party - Pointless in FPTP
Conservative - Slightly older version of Lib Dem Candidate
Communist - Just a step above the Cannabis lot IMO
Labour - Current MP (has been for 15 years) and based on his background (ex BT Engineer) he at least qualifies to be a politician in my book.
Green - Retired teacher who spent 20 years working in the East End of Glasgow. Much like Labour guy she appears to have the life experience which should be mandatory for any politician

Only the Labour and Greens are fielding the same candidates.

If the opinion polls are correct the SNP are going to snatch the seat from Labour. If so that is a hell of a swing. Labour took 54% of the vote in 2010. Lib Dems -16%, SNP -15%, Tories 10%

I can understand why you think it but I'm not convinced.  If/when there is another ref it will need to be well considered, quite simply if it was held and the result came back the same as 2014 you just can't see the SNP going for another one for a very long time.  They would never get away with it..... they would have truly failed and what purpose would they serve then?  If/when there is another referendum it's all or nothing and the SNP will be well aware of that.  The SNP have risen spectacularly but to use the old football idiom 'getting to the top is one thing, staying there is something else'.  It's clear they are going to get a lot of seats and have some actual influence in Westminster, how much remains to be seen, but if they are going to consolidate that (stretch out a big lead at the top to continue the football analogy) what they really need to do then is maintain a majority in the Scottish parliament not call for another referendum.  It's a trickier prospect too because of the PR election system and they may not manage a majority though there is no danger Labour will get enough to have a minority gvmt.   The next few years in Scottish and UK politics is going to be fascinating to watch.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Edinburghdon on May 01, 2015, 08:23:24 AM
WTF are you doing watching politics shows? Just you do what the BBC tell you  >:D

I had to watch something until Celebrity Juice started  ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 01, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
People believing the sheer arrogance of the SNP is what is going to deliver a Tory government.  It's been clear from the start that Labour do not want a deal with the SNP but the SNP have continued to pursue the same rhetoric, and the Tories are having a field day.

What a mess.

The SNP have more to gain in the long term from a Tory government than a Labour one.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 01, 2015, 12:47:30 PM
People believing the sheer arrogance of the SNP is what is going to deliver a Tory government.  It's been clear from the start that Labour do not want a deal with the SNP but the SNP have continued to pursue the same rhetoric, and the Tories are having a field day.

What a mess.

The SNP have more to gain in the long term from a Tory government than a Labour one.

The arrogance of the SNP? They are going to single handly wipe out Labour in Scotland for possibly a generation. They could win every seat in Scotland. They deserve to be arrogant.

But I think a lot of people are under estimating the pragmatism of the SNP. There whole raison-d'etre is independence. They will be looking at different outcomes after the election and trying to game it so it works out the best in regards to the result of a second indy ref. They would be delighted at a Tory majority and an out vote at an EU referendum in two years time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 01, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
People believing the sheer arrogance of the SNP is what is going to deliver a Tory government.
What arrogance? I'm struggling to see what you mean?

If you're referring to the claim that they will be the third biggest party, then that's almost certain.

After last night, the arrogance once again of Cameron claiming he's there to win a majority, Milliband saying the same plus he won't do a deal with anyone. Not once in any of the recent programmes has either of these answered the straightforward question, 'who will you form an alliance/coalition with'?

It was about the only thing Clegg got right last night when making comment on the idiocy of still clinging to that stance. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 01, 2015, 01:45:12 PM
People believing the sheer arrogance of the SNP is what is going to deliver a Tory government.

Ed Milliband said last night that he would rather have a Tory government than work with another party which looks on course to win an overwhelming democratic mandate.

Based on this you conclude that it's the SNP that are arrogant, and that they will be at fault if we end up with a Tory government.

Seriously, I think you've fallen through the looking glass.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 01, 2015, 01:53:49 PM
People believing the sheer arrogance of the SNP is what is going to deliver a Tory government.  It's been clear from the start that Labour do not want a deal with the SNP but the SNP have continued to pursue the same rhetoric, and the Tories are having a field day.

What a mess.

The SNP have more to gain in the long term from a Tory government than a Labour one.

I cannot believe anyone still supports/believes the Red Tories. Never thought I would hear a Labour politician say he would rather have a Tory Government rather than work with the democratically elected SNP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 01, 2015, 02:06:54 PM
Not that i'm the SNP's biggest fan, but Milliband fully dug himself a Tory hole last night, as Jute and NTD said, for him to say that he'd rather not be in government than work with the SNP was completely and utterly deplorable. I get his point that they are obviously against each other in Scotland, for him to say that was ridiculous.  Another nail in the labour coffin. His stumble at the end said it all.

I actually though Clegg came out best last night.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 01, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
https://commonspace.scot/articles/1215/shaun-milne-snp-voters-are-just-a-bunch-of-simple-minded-deluded-clones

" 'It'll be undemocratic' they cry, without a hint of fucking irony."  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stupie82 on May 01, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Milliband proved last night exactly why he isn't fit to be prime minister. A man who is willing to cut his nose off to spite his face, deserves no place in no.10. He maybe doesn't want to work with SNP and he has a right to say that, but he cant moan when he his party disappears into oblivion. The political map in England makes grim reading for Labour as it is and with the exception of a few big cities voting for them, everywhere else is Conservative. In Scotland the SNP could remove every Labour MP altogether.

The only way he will get into No.10 is through a deal, one he isn't willing to make with the SNP and that will be his downfall. Labour may not have an MP in Scotland for generations to come, if the SNP keep going like they are. It does sicken me that they wont do a deal with the SNP and its just a continuation of the anti-SNP agenda that occurred during the referendum. Constant scaremongering rubbish that the SNP are bad for the UK is getting a tad tedious now. labour, like the cons promised powers to Scotland upon which nothing has happened and now the Scottish people voting against them. IMO they are shitting themselves at the prospect of the SNP taking Scotland and that they will be left with no seats.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 02, 2015, 01:16:27 AM
If Labours ratings are so bad a deal with the SNP may not be enough to get the majority.

SNP can only get a max of 59 seats which would leave Labour needing 267 to get for a 2 party coalition majority.

The quote from Ballot Monkeys keeps ringing through my head

"They're all tossers. To win an election, you’ve only got to convince people that your tosser is less of a tosser than the other lot’s tosser.”
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: hebrew on May 02, 2015, 09:04:15 AM
I thought Milliband was a disgrace - I dislike him intensely, was shouting at the telly when he was on

Cameron bores me to tears

Clegg is much more intelligent than either of them - this time he knows he is fucked tho so he can say what he likes and his comment about both of them being deluded was absolutely correct

I hope the SNP get loads of seats and Labour get 1 more seat than the Tories - then we'll see what happens to the biggest party  :twisted:

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on May 02, 2015, 03:36:20 PM
I thought Milliband was a disgrace - I dislike him intensely, was shouting at the telly when he was on

Cameron bores me to tears

Clegg is much more intelligent than either of them - this time he knows he is fucked tho so he can say what he likes and his comment about both of them being deluded was absolutely correct

I hope the SNP get loads of seats and Labour get 1 more seat than the Tories - then we'll see what happens to the biggest party  :twisted:

to be honest, if i was Nicola sturgeon, i would have said if liebour do not want our support, then give it to the tories

Then liebour up here would be dead just like the tories.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 02, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
to be honest, if i was Nicola sturgeon, i would have said if liebour do not want our support, then give it to the tories

Then liebour up here would be dead just like the tories.
...and then those possible 59 SNP seats become 9, 10 maybe 15 if we're lucky.

The SNP are tied to Liebour, and Liebour are tied to the SNP, indeed from the very next morning they've been backpeddling from their clearly nonsensical "I won't do a deal" pish.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scunnered999 on May 02, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
The SNP are exactly the same as the rest - promise you everything as long as you vote for them - it's all bullshit. Vote SNP get Tory end of.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 02, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
...and then those possible 59 SNP seats become 9, 10 maybe 15 if we're lucky.

The SNP are tied to Liebour, and Liebour are tied to the SNP, indeed from the very next morning they've been backpeddling from their clearly nonsensical "I won't do a deal" pish.

An extremely depressing suggestion.
'I'm right behind ya Nic.....whats that....you'd do a deal with thatcher's crew? Fuck you ya turncoat.'

If it turned out to be true it would say a great deal about the SNPs current increased support ie they would rather sacrifice a shot at actually having their party influencing the UK parliament just because of their potential Bed Fellows.

Are we destined to see another party in Yellow go tits up over the next 5 years?

But then again so many people vote with their gut which is why the press still have so much influence.

Anyway had to put up with the SNP 4x4 megaphone driving past my office on numerous occasions and they were in full tartan shortbread tin mode with their little campaign desk outside Partick station. As with the referendum they seemed to take one look at me and suddenly they werent handing out leaflets or talking to people.
I'm starting to feel like Bill Hicks with the right wing christians

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: hebrew on May 03, 2015, 10:19:07 AM
You do have a bit of a creepy look about you Tom.......................teehee  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 03, 2015, 10:38:33 AM
The SNP are exactly the same as the rest - promise you everything as long as you vote for them - it's all bullshit. Vote SNP get Tory end of.

How's that work then? SNP will never back a Tory government. As long as England and Wales returns enough Labour MPs to block a Tory Queens speech in conjunction with the SNP then no Tory government. If England does not return enough Labour MPs to block a Tory Queens speech with the SNP then it does not matter who Scotland voted for.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 03, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
If it turned out to be true it would say a great deal about the SNPs current increased support ie they would rather sacrifice a shot at actually having their party influencing the UK parliament just because of their potential Bed Fellows.

Are we destined to see another party in Yellow go tits up over the next 5 years?
And why did that first party go tits up again?  Which is exactly (other than you know - there are no points of agreement) why the SNP won't deal with a Tory party that Scotland has made clear for over 20 years they want no part of.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 03, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
And why did that first party go tits up again?  Which is exactly (other than you know - there are no points of agreement) why the SNP won't deal with a Tory party that Scotland has made clear for over 20 years they want no part of.

The reasons for them going tits up can be argued long into the night

- Being naive and too eager for power to read the fine print?
- The UK public not understanding the concept of an uneven coalition (5 Tories for every 1 Lib Dem) and presuming both Lib Dem and Tory policies would be implemented (even through they contradicted each other)
- Not having the balls to stick to their PR voting system policy for future elections and then being extremely fucking lazy and naive in the corresponding alternative vote campaign (Way too easily stitched up by both Labour and the Tories on that one)
- Being shite at dirty tactics and waiting till now to 'leak' unpopular and controversial tory policies (Cameron and Co would never have walked away from this coalition so Lib Dems could have stuck the knife in years ago)
- Not having the balls to say 'ah fuck right off we quit. Call another election right now'

My point is if you are an SNP voter who is expecting a Labour/ SNP Coalition and will turn nasty if a Conservative/ SNP appears on May 10th they why bother voting for the Nats in the first place?
You either want a stronger Scots Nats voice at Westminster or you don't.
If you think a coalition which is minimum 4.5 labour-ites  for every 1 Scot nat is going to be any fairer in the negotiation stakes then think again.

The tragedy of the FPTP system means we will always end up with tory or labour in some way or another and as has been suggested before they are essentially as bad as each other.
We had the chance to change this 4 years ago but the great British public happily voted to keep the status quo.
It actually made me want to strangle a friend of mine when she said she had voted against changing the system because
1) 'I want everyone to have just one vote so the government is always chosen by the majority of the UK
2) 'The other way seems way too confusing and I dont want the hassle on polling day'
She looked a bit perplexed when I pointed out Labour had formed 3 previous 'majority' governments with less than 45% of the vote ie the majority actually voted against them. I then asked how much hassle she had during the Scottish elections but she chose to change the subject


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 03, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
The reasons for them going tits up can be argued long into the night

- Being naive and too eager for power to read the fine print?
- The UK public not understanding the concept of an uneven coalition (5 Tories for every 1 Lib Dem) and presuming both Lib Dem and Tory policies would be implemented (even through they contradicted each other)
- Not having the balls to stick to their PR voting system policy for future elections and then being extremely fucking lazy and naive in the corresponding alternative vote campaign (Way too easily stitched up by both Labour and the Tories on that one)
- Being shite at dirty tactics and waiting till now to 'leak' unpopular and controversial tory policies (Cameron and Co would never have walked away from this coalition so Lib Dems could have stuck the knife in years ago)
- Not having the balls to say 'ah fuck right off we quit. Call another election right now'

My point is if you are an SNP voter who is expecting a Labour/ SNP Coalition and will turn nasty if a Conservative/ SNP appears on May 10th they why bother voting for the Nats in the first place?
You either want a stronger Scots Nats voice at Westminster or you don't.
If you think a coalition which is minimum 4.5 labour-ites  for every 1 Scot nat is going to be any fairer in the negotiation stakes then think again.

The tragedy of the FPTP system means we will always end up with tory or labour in some way or another and as has been suggested before they are essentially as bad as each other.
We had the chance to change this 4 years ago but the great British public happily voted to keep the status quo.
It actually made me want to strangle a friend of mine when she said she had voted against changing the system because
1) 'I want everyone to have just one vote so the government is always chosen by the majority of the UK
2) 'The other way seems way too confusing and I dont want the hassle on polling day'
She looked a bit perplexed when I pointed out Labour had formed 3 previous 'majority' governments with less than 45% of the vote ie the majority actually voted against them. I then asked how much hassle she had during the Scottish elections but she chose to change the subject

Reason Liberals are fucked is they proved to be whores who sold their morals to the first party that gave them a whiff of power. Latest manefesto just confirms that.





Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 03, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Thats one way of putting it

However based on results in 2010 a coalition government that didn't involve the tories would have required the following

Labout 258
Lib Dem 57

And then minimum 11 seats from the following parties so you would end up with a minimum 4 party coalition

DUP 8
SNP 6
Sinn Feinn 5
Plaid Cymru 3
SDLP 3
Green 1
Alliance 1
Independant 1

Lib dems whores you say?
Or was it sheer laziness on behalf of all the parties and the wish to avoid the potential powderkeg of picking say the SNP, Plaid Cymry and just one of the Northern Ireland Parties?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 03, 2015, 07:36:37 PM


My point is if you are an SNP voter who is expecting a Labour/ SNP Coalition and will turn nasty if a Conservative/ SNP appears on May 10th they why bother voting for the Nats in the first place?
You either want a stronger Scots Nats voice at Westminster or you don't.
But your point is bollocks. There will NEVER be any sort of SNP/Tory alliance.

And n o, I don't - despite being a lifelong SNP voter - want a stronger SNP voice at Westminster, I want a stronger SCOTTISH voice, and that means not dealing with a party who have proved, especially in the last month, that Scotland means fuck all to them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 03, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
But your point is bollocks. There will NEVER be any sort of SNP/Tory alliance.

And n o, I don't - despite being a lifelong SNP voter - want a stronger SNP voice at Westminster, I want a stronger SCOTTISH voice, and that means not dealing with a party who have proved, especially in the last month, that Scotland means fuck all to them.

There are already SNP/ Conservative Alliances in 4 Scottish Councils so no reason why there could never be one at Westminster.

Politics is a dirty horrible business

Hypothetical question
If Nicola announces between now and Wednesday that she has an agreement with David Cameron will you either
A) Not bother voting
B) Vote Labour
C) Vote for another party or independant
D) Spoil your ballot paper
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 03, 2015, 10:41:13 PM


Hypothetical question

Like the unending boring pish we've seen in the TV debates where the "winners" of indyref want to bring up a non-existent call for indyref2, your point is not relevant to the debate.

By all means start a new topic on hypotheticals, b ut lets get back on topic oinstead of talking utter pish.

Thanks G_G
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 03, 2015, 10:50:55 PM
Like the unending boring pish we've seen in the TV debates where the "winners" of indyref want to bring up a non-existent call for indyref2, your point is not relevant to the debate.

By all means start a new topic on hypotheticals, b ut lets get back on topic oinstead of talking utter pish.

Thanks G_G

I doth my hat (and ginger hair) to you sir

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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 04, 2015, 09:47:57 PM
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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 05, 2015, 08:21:54 AM
Murphy, specifically his campaign manager who did exactly the same strategy in Australia, engineered the conflict and aggro in Glasgow yesterday. It was a deliberate attempt to discredit "nationalists" and therefore a massive proportion of ordinary Scottish people.

He must think we're idiots not to see through him and his cheap, shallow lack of integrity. Problem is twofold; he's right, most folk are stupid and secondly, the office of public representation can not suffer persons of low integrity.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on May 05, 2015, 08:35:10 AM
Murphy, specifically his campaign manager who did exactly the same strategy in Australia, engineered the conflict and aggro in Glasgow yesterday. It was a deliberate attempt to discredit "nationalists" and therefore a massive proportion of ordinary Scottish people.

He must think we're idiots not to see through him and his cheap, shallow lack of integrity. Problem is twofold; he's right, most folk are stupid and secondly, the office of public representation can not suffer persons of low integrity.

Yas min, that's fit politics is all about - being a deceptive cunt. About time there was some proper scandal, the whole thing has been a complete borefest. Any proof?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 05, 2015, 08:45:41 AM
Yas min, that's fit politics is all about - being a deceptive cunt. About time there was some proper scandal, the whole thing has been a complete borefest. Any proof?

Pretty much my thoughts, I quite enjoy a bit of political intrigue and thought it was an obvious ploy. But why not  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scunnered999 on May 05, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
Murphy, specifically his campaign manager who did exactly the same strategy in Australia, engineered the conflict and aggro in Glasgow yesterday. It was a deliberate attempt to discredit "nationalists" and therefore a massive proportion of ordinary Scottish people.

He must think we're idiots not to see through him and his cheap, shallow lack of integrity. Problem is twofold; he's right, most folk are stupid and secondly, the office of public representation can not suffer persons of low integrity.

Complete and Utter BOLLOCKS!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 05, 2015, 01:05:14 PM
Yas min, that's fit politics is all about - being a deceptive cunt. About time there was some proper scandal, the whole thing has been a complete borefest. Any proof?
Well, within minutes, local journals such as the Basingstoke gazette, a publication I'd be pretty sure reports daily on the goings on in Glasgow, had an item up online on the "violence" in Glasgow.

Elsewhere, the twitter account of Cliff Morgan (The Kilted kelpie), one of Blair McDougall's henchmen, posted "I was in the crowd today in Glasgow, it was a warzone".  Sadly for him, he forgot to turn off his location - Bulgaria  :rofl:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 05, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
Pretty much my thoughts, I quite enjoy a bit of political intrigue and thought it was an obvious ploy. But why not  ;D


Clever enough to manipulate (or pay off) two SNP Members to take part too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32595499

Alastair campbell eat your heart out
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 05, 2015, 09:10:31 PM
Folk trying to suggest the Jim Murphy thing was a set up is pretty laughable. The mans a cretin but going down the "Deflect Deflect Deflect" route does nobody any favours.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 05, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
Folk trying to suggest the Jim Murphy thing was a set up is pretty laughable. The mans a cretin but going down the "Deflect Deflect Deflect" route does nobody any favours.

You seem pretty certain that it was not a set up?

Maybe you know fuck all about anything?

Or maybe you have concrete evidence to know that the possibility is "laughable".

Either way, you're a total fucking dick.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 05, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
You seem pretty certain that it was not a set up?

Maybe you know fuck all about anything?

Or maybe you have concrete evidence to know that the possibility is "laughable".

Either way, you're a total fucking dick.

Steady on Rocket, no need for that. A forum is for opinions and debates, whether you agree with them or not.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 05, 2015, 10:25:42 PM
Steady on Rocket, no need for that. A forum is for opinions and debates, whether you agree with them or not.

It's not a case of "steady on" and giving it faux outrage.

It's about what's right. This is Aberdeen. We don't play by Eton, Harrow or Rugby rules.

Should you have the critical thinking ability to read and digest, you would know.

The boy took one side by discrediting the other, but never said fuck all?

How fucking stupid are you defending that non-defence you fucking retard?

Call the pc polis. You've only got two days afore the election, you non-Aberdonian cretinous cunt.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 05, 2015, 10:44:51 PM
Who the fuck brought up Rugby rules? No-one but you, just unnecessary resorting to name calling to try and get your point across. Now wise up and stop trying to be a keyboard warrior again. Couldn't give two shits.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Edinburghdon on May 05, 2015, 11:26:26 PM
It's not a case of "steady on" and giving it faux outrage.

It's about what's right. This is Aberdeen. We don't play by Eton, Harrow or Rugby rules.

Should you have the critical thinking ability to read and digest, you would know.

The boy took one side by discrediting the other, but never said fuck all?

How fucking stupid are you defending that non-defence you fucking retard?

Call the pc polis. You've only got two days afore the election, you non-Aberdonian cretinous cunt.

Jesus give it a rest will you? It got boring a long time ago.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 05, 2015, 11:57:04 PM
It's not a case of "steady on" and giving it faux outrage.

It's about what's right. This is Aberdeen. We don't play by Eton, Harrow or Rugby rules.

Should you have the critical thinking ability to read and digest, you would know.

The boy took one side by discrediting the other, but never said fuck all?

How fucking stupid are you defending that non-defence you fucking retard?

Call the pc polis. You've only got two days afore the election, you non-Aberdonian cretinous cunt.
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Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 06, 2015, 08:41:42 AM
Folk trying to suggest the Jim Murphy thing was a set up is pretty laughable. The mans a cretin but going down the "Deflect Deflect Deflect" route does nobody any favours.
Come on now K, after all we saw at IndyRef, and having had a couple of days to digest this, you don't think this was Murphy's intent all along?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 06, 2015, 07:42:29 PM
Come on now K, after all we saw at IndyRef, and having had a couple of days to digest this, you don't think this was Murphy's intent all along?

I can see how that would go down

'i've got a great idea. Lets send out Jim with a transvestite comedian into the centre of our largest city to campaign.
'Good idea'
'Aye and better yet lets get some anti scots nats PR going by arranging for there to be an aggressive mob to hassle them both'
'you sure thats not a bit....well dangerous?'
'How?'
Well its in a public place which we cant actually control and there is a bit of unrest among a great deal of the voting public so emotions can easily boil over. Its also a bank holiday weekend so chances are the city centre will be even busier than usual plus rangers are playing hearts in quite an important end of season game with a lunchtime kick off so theres a good chance there will be more drunken football fans in the centre who might see this as an excuse for causing trouble.'

But so many believe what they want to believe

'There are no dickheads, thugs, racists, bigots etc in;
my country/my football teams fans/ my political party/ my home town/ my church and so on. We are all angels



Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 06, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
You seem pretty certain that it was not a set up?

Maybe you know fuck all about anything?

Or maybe you have concrete evidence to know that the possibility is "laughable".

Either way, you're a total fucking dick.

Just shoved the above through Google translate and it came back with:

Quote
Deflect, deflect, deflect
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 07, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
Well, that's me voted, now to pray that Farage and the kipper party get's hit by a bus today  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 10:13:22 AM


'There are no dickheads, thugs, racists, bigots etc in;
my country/my football teams fans/ my political party/ my home town/ my church and so on. We are all angels
Nobody is saying that.

however, 1. The point is creepy has form for setting this sort of thing up, & 2. The activists got a "tip-off" about where creepy would be appearing, as did the press who had already written their stories.

Regardless, lets look at the actual story here - creepy goes about shouting in public, three guys shout back, which has happened many times before, but somehow this time it's a "violent mob". And you don't think there was a plan here?

Put another way, you don't think Izzard dressing up as a wifie and then going walkies in Glasgow wasn't done deliberately as they thought they'd get some sort of homo-phobic abuse that they could peddle? When that failed to transpire they had to run with "violent", even though there was no suggestion of that whatsoever?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 10:24:15 AM
I presume you know who Eddie Izzard is?

Also can you enlighten me to this 'form' old Hannibal has?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekFp8lZA8s&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 12:40:45 PM
I presume you know who Eddie Izzard is?
He doesn't always by any means dress as a wifie.

Why did they do it in Glasgow? Hmmm, the SNP make great play of equality in all aspects of their policies, so what better way to show them up as "hypocrites" than to have a cross-dresser getting abused in the middle of Glasgow.

Oh fuck, that didna work, fit noo?  :dunno:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 02:14:16 PM
So that video you posted is your evidence for Jim Murphey's 'form'?
The title suggested a good old two handed shove or maybe an ice hockey body-check but instead he walks into a bit of cardboard. The power of suggestion as it were

I am a bit concerned at the paranoia which seems to be being displayed with this one. The fact the SNP took the decision to suspended two of its members suggests they don't see it that way and I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of slightly more senior party members getting their balls booted over the whole incident.

The press get a tip off? well I am shocked. The leader of the Scottish Labour party & Eddie Izzard will be campaigning on the streets of Glasgow less than a week before election day and the press were told it was going to happen. If it wasn't the Labour party themselves who called them up it would have been Eddie Izzards PR team or even someone from Police Scotland. There is no point having a campaign if nobody knows; a) its going to happen, and b) it happened.

As for provisional newspapers picking up the story. Oh I dunno maybe they picked it up from 'the wire' or if they as they used to call it. Local papers priority is to cover their local areas but they have to put some national/ international news to break up the local feel good issues. They have people trawling social media for it. Now if the Basingstoke gazzette has said 'to hell with whats going on in Hampshire, get everyone we can up to Glasgow as it appears there is going to be some handbags, and im not talking about the one Eddie will be wearing' then maybe the conspiracy theorists would have something.

Protestors getting tip offs? yeah because people who are prone to aggressive protesting only do it if someone picks up the phone and asks them to come along. The whole thing event would have been doing the rounds on social media days before it happened. Much like every time the BNP, SDL, EDL etc organise a march, a counter march is almost immediately organised by he anti fascist groups.
However there are apparently allegations one of Sturgeons spin doctors made a few phone calls

As for 'why did they do it in Glasgow?

Ever heard of the term 'Red clydeside'?
It has been Scotlands Labour heartland for years and if the polls are to be believed they are at risk of losing it to the SNP. It used to be you could put a red anorak on a furbie and the people would vote for it but ever since the referendum Labour have been looking north as it is an important area for them.

They are hardly going to bother making a big push in non traditional labour areas.

interesting that you linked homophobia to cross dressing. Ironically Mr izzard has covered this issue in several of his routines.

Tonight will be interesting anyway.

Channel 4s coverage seems to be the winner for me anyway. See Paxman in non official mode
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on May 07, 2015, 03:05:41 PM
I am a bit concerned at the paranoia which seems to be being displayed with this one. The fact the SNP took the decision to suspended two of its members suggests they don't see it that way and I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of slightly more senior party members getting their balls booted over the whole incident.

Well I believe it was staged because somebody said it was. On the internet. I'm going to need pretty conclusive evidence that it wasn't.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 07, 2015, 04:31:39 PM
I presume you know who Eddie Izzard is?

Also can you enlighten me to this 'form' old Hannibal has?

No so much Jimbo but his political advisor John McTernan was accused of arranging similar incidents while working for Labour Party in Australia. Cannot find the link at the moment but he was allegedly tipping off Aboriginal rights protestors about where official Labour Party events were and then letting press know there was potential for trouble.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 09:35:32 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11589591/Scottish-Tory-leader-Ruth-Davidson-alleges-voter-intimidation.html

Lets see where this one takes us
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 07, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11589591/Scottish-Tory-leader-Ruth-Davidson-alleges-voter-intimidation.html

Lets see where this one takes us

Dumfries & Galloway council already confirmed Davidson's story was bullshit.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 07, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
Given the amount of seats Labour look likely to lose in Scotland, I'm not surprised to see the Tories being predicted as the largest party in the exit polls. However, the size of the gap being shown between Labour and Tories is rather surprising!

Also can't see SNP winning 58 seats.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 07, 2015, 10:08:52 PM
Given the amount of seats Labour look likely to lose in Scotland, I'm not surprised to see the Tories being predicted as the largest party in the exit polls. However, the size of the gap being shown between Labour and Tories is rather surprising!

Also can't see SNP winning 58 seats.

Just wait till the morning  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
Exit poll

Tory - 316 (+10)
Labour - 239 (-19)
SNP - 58 (+52)
Lib Dem - 10 (-47)
UKIP - 2 (+2)
Other parties + Speaker - 10

(this apparently doesnt include the Northern Ireland Parties)

Would rule out that Tory/UKIP coalition everyone was banging on about.
Now would the lib dems dare go back into a coalition with even less power or would old Dave & Nicola get it on?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
Bit of election entertainment till the results start trickling in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghtpdhMpo5o
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 10:34:20 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11589591/Scottish-Tory-leader-Ruth-Davidson-alleges-voter-intimidation.html

Lets see where this one takes us
Seriously? posted at half nine when the story was already totally and utterly rubbished by 4pm? Could you be any more anti-SNP?

I'm thinking "where this one takes us" is an apology from you?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 07, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
Exit poll

Tory - 316 (+10)
Labour - 239 (-19)
SNP - 58 (+52)
Lib Dem - 10 (-47)
UKIP - 2 (+2)
Other parties + Speaker - 10

(this apparently doesnt include the Northern Ireland Parties)

Would rule out that Tory/UKIP coalition everyone was banging on about.
Now would the lib dems dare go back into a coalition with even less power or would old Dave & Nicola get it on?

Not a chance SNP will go near the Blue Tories. Would be political suicide.

Fair chance Cleggs whores will tie up again with Tories but most likely if these figures were right would be Tory minority government.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Jackie Bird, wearing a dress that already looks splattered with white blotches, saves me the trouble  :twisted:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 11:12:18 PM
Kezia would be worried that if there was over than 70% then people who had only ever voted in indyref were voting? Can she be any more mental? #votekeziagetspanners
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 11:25:25 PM
Seriously? posted at half nine when the story was already totally and utterly rubbished by 4pm? Could you be any more anti-SNP?

I'm thinking "where this one takes us" is an apology from you?

What exactly do you want an apology for?
If you are upset that I took it upon myself to pick and prod and 'atempt' to engage in debate with you regarding your political beliefs then i'm sorry you cant live in a world where everyone follows your point of view. if they did it could either be classed as boring or maybe a dictatorship

Its also no secret that I am anti-SNP but i'm pleased you have cottoned on and if you think you can somehow make me more anti SNP I welcome your input. I also welcome your input if you wish to try and bring me to your way of thinking so that come May 2017 I might have some more guidance in my decision

Some might call me a bleeding heart lefty but on occasion ive been refered to as a nazi communist. That last one intrigues me still but its always nice to have a bit of a debate and it is intriguing seeing how people react when they can easily label you with one of the current political parties.

The exit poll does interest me as we could see the first minority government for 41 years. The tories will need to think carefully how they tread as a majority opposition can call for another general election within the year if they don't like how things are going.
Maybe the majority opposition could call for the FPTP system to be scrapped and completely overhaul the system?
Maybe the SNP would use the situation to their advantage by keeping the tory minority in power in exchange for more powers for scotland or perhaps even that magical 2nd referendum?
who knows it could for once be interesting.

Who knows
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 07, 2015, 11:26:56 PM
What exactly do you want an apology for?
If you are upset that I took it upon myself to pick and prod and 'atempt' to engage in debate with you regarding your political beliefs then i'm sorry you cant live in a world where everyone follows your point of view. if they did it could either be classed as boring or maybe a dictatorship

Its also no secret that I am anti-SNP but i'm pleased you have cottoned on and if you think you can somehow make me more anti SNP I welcome your input. I also welcome your input if you wish to try and bring me to your way of thinking so that come May 2017 I might have some more guidance in my decision

Some might call me a bleeding heart lefty but on occasion ive been refered to as a nazi communist. That last one intrigues me still but its always nice to have a bit of a debate and it is intriguing seeing how people react when they can easily label you with one of the current political parties.

The exit poll does intrigue me as we could see the first minority government for 41 years. The tories will need to think carefully how they tread as a majority opposition can call for another general election within the year if they don't like how things are going.
Maybe the majority opposition could call for the FPTP system to be scrapped and completely overhaul the system?
Maybe the SNP would use the situation to their advantage by keeping the tory minority in power in exchange for more powers for scotland or perhaps even that magical 2nd referendum?
who knows it could for once be interesting.

Who knows
an apology for repeating the words of a lying cunt you lying cunt
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 07, 2015, 11:37:49 PM
and?

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 08, 2015, 12:11:11 AM
and?
Nothing else, just an apology. You made a mistake, that's all.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 12:59:00 AM
I 'shared' a news story in the off topic section of an aberdeen supporters message board.
I can only presume you are quite a sensitive soul who cannot stand any notion that there may have been a couple of blokes outside a polling office who made an ill advised joke which through the wonders of social media, political spin and good old fashioned Chinese whispers was sent down the wire to a Conservative MSP who chose to tweet it into the public domain and therefore into the media.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing as you have demonstrated already by refering to me as a lying cunt although you still havent used that freedom of speech to point out where I have lied?

Lying is stating something is truth/ fact when you know fine well it is neither.
Given I dont live in Annan, am not Ruth Davidson or a telegraph journalist I have the option to decide if I think it is true or mere scaremongering until further information is brought to light or i stop caring.
By your logic I could suggest you are a liar for posting Jim Murpheys 'barging a protestor' video as evidence he was behind the unpleasant scenes at St Enoch last weekend.

But back to the election

Labour 3
Conservative 1
645 seats to go

Lib dems have lost their deposit in all 4 declared seats so far.




Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 08, 2015, 01:54:08 AM
Looking like exit poll result for Scotland could be on the money if comments from counts are correct. Hopefully wrong as far as England goes but not looking good.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
SNP take Kilmarnock and Loudon
Lib Dems lose their deposit again
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 08, 2015, 03:01:24 AM
hud




'at
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 08, 2015, 03:05:51 AM
Snp and Tories head to head atm!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 03:15:42 AM
Jim Murphy just lost his seat.
The devil in me wonders if the SNP can get 58 seats with Alex Salmond being the only one to miss out.

Much like the campaign years back for everyone to vote labour except in sedgefield so Blair would lose out
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 03:58:42 AM
Well the clean sweep is gone - Orkney & Shetland sticking with the Lib Dems. The interesting one will be to see if Kennedy holds onto his seat
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2015, 07:23:12 AM
Cannot believe what people have done in England. I'm embarrassed to be living here and the worst thing is I know plenty of Tory voters.

Edit: the only comfort is that London did the right thing, and took seats of those blue cunts.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 08, 2015, 08:16:49 AM
Cannot believe what people have done in England. I'm embarrassed to be living here and the worst thing is I know plenty of Tory voters.

I think it's a mixture of Tories capitalising on England's fears about an SNP/Labour coalition, together with the fact that Labour have/had a very weak leader.  But the ball started rolling when Salmond said he would be writing the Labour budget!

It's 1979 all over again, the SNP helping deliver a majority Tory government.  Expect Cameron to offer devo max pretty quickly.

There's also a rise in UKIP voters - 3.5 million I think (twice as much as SNP?)!  Only good thing about FPTP was keeping their seats to a bare minimum.

As for the Lib Dems, it's a genuine shame for Charles Kennedy IMHO.  Anti-coalition, anti-war, and a very decent bloke and good constituency MP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on May 08, 2015, 09:24:28 AM
Having a political opinion is like have a great big COCK.
Be proud of it. Share it with those who want to share it with you.
BUT DON'T show it off persistently in public, and certainly don't ram it down people's throats.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 08, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
It's 1979 all over again, the SNP helping deliver a majority Tory government.  Expect Cameron to offer devo max pretty quickly.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What colour is the sky in your world? Total fucking garbage.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on May 08, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
Cannot believe what people have done in England. I'm embarrassed to be living here and the worst thing is I know plenty of Tory voters.

This. Except I know a lot of people who I suspect are Tory voters but would never admit it (at least in front of me).

Bunch of tight fisted, selfish, self important imbeciles, lacking in original thought and with a complete lack of social conscience.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2015, 10:41:30 AM
Bye bye Farage :D  :wave:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on May 08, 2015, 10:56:06 AM
Shame thought Al Murray might at least get his deposit back...

 ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: hebrew on May 08, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
the SNP helping deliver a majority Tory government

What absolute pish - has it ever occured to you that maybe just maybe folk voted for the SNP for their policies and for the fact they are an anti austerity party - give voters credit for voting for what they believe in

A massive change swept through Scotland last night  and it has fuck all to do with the tories

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on May 08, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
Having a political opinion is like have a great big COCK.
Be proud of it. Share it with those who want to share it with you.
BUT DON'T show it off persistently in public, and certainly don't ram it down people's throats.

For the avoidance of any doubt that was posted as a joke.
Picked it up on Facebook in the early hours of this morning, thought it particularly relevant of sharing at the time.
All for good debate folks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Can't believe that Scotland has more Panda's than Labour MP's!  ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stewart on May 08, 2015, 12:24:18 PM
Milliband, Clegg and Farage all resigned.

Jim Murphy staying on.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 08, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What colour is the sky in your world? Total fucking garbage.

Boris has already suggested it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 08, 2015, 12:42:31 PM
What absolute pish - has it ever occured to you that maybe just maybe folk voted for the SNP for their policies and for the fact they are an anti austerity party - give voters credit for voting for what they believe in

A massive change swept through Scotland last night  and it has fuck all to do with the tories

Many voted because there was a chance that they could be in a coalition and actually have a say.  But now we have another 5 years of austerity, unless Cameron reaches out to the SNP which he really has to do.

English voters have rejected the SNP.  If they wanted a coalition of Labour/SNP they would have voted for it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 08, 2015, 01:18:50 PM
It will be a tory majority government.
Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

Could get interesting.






Hmmm Hmmm
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 08, 2015, 01:36:40 PM

There's also a rise in UKIP voters - 3.5 million I think (twice as much as SNP?)!
Erm no, about a fifth of the SNP. The SNP stood in 8% of seats, were there any seats that UKIP didnt stand in?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 08, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
Milliband, Clegg and Farage all resigned.

Jim Murphy staying on.
Does creepy have no shame?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Edinburghdon on May 08, 2015, 03:25:42 PM
Does creepy have no shame?

Going on his posts on here... probably not.

 :wave: Peterheid Loon

 ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2015, 03:38:01 PM

It will be a tory majority government.
Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

Could get interesting.

Hmmm Hmmm

Close, but not cigar ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 08, 2015, 04:18:07 PM
Erm no, about a fifth of the SNP. The SNP stood in 8% of seats, were there any seats that UKIP didnt stand in?


Aye but not many. Aberdeen North being one of them. There were a handful of seats in Scotland and Northern Ireland that they didn't stand for:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32624405
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 08, 2015, 04:53:44 PM
Erm no, about a fifth of the SNP. The SNP stood in 8% of seats, were there any seats that UKIP didnt stand in?

Obviously they stood in more seats than the SNP but they got more than the double the votes but won 1/50th of the seats that SNP won.  FPTP is a joke, but at least it's a joke at Farage's expense!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2015, 05:01:08 PM
Obviously they stood in more seats than the SNP but they got more than the double the votes but won 1/50th of the seats that SNP won.  FPTP is a joke, but at least it's a joke at Farage's expense!

The only time I've been relieved to have FPTP, just to fuck up the kippers.

Just a shame that all the good work the SNP have done, the tory majority has fucked things up completely. Almost rules it irrelevant because the power is with the Tories.  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 08, 2015, 05:46:45 PM
Boris has already suggested it.

The SNP did not 'help to deliver a Tory Government'.

We have a Tory government because people in England voted for one overwhelmingly, and they have a massive in-built majority in the Commons.

This result illustrates starkly that the politics Scotland votes for will always have precisely fuck all influence on the Government at Westminster.

The need for electoral and constitutional reform is now overwhelming but I fear that, with the Tory majority any that does take place will be on their terms, so we can expect fuck all.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 08, 2015, 05:51:22 PM
The SNP did not 'help to deliver a Tory Government'.

We have a Tory government because people in England voted for one overwhelmingly, and they have a massive in-built majority in the Commons.

This result illustrates starkly that the politics Scotland votes for will always have precisely fuck all influence on the Government at Westminster.

The need for electoral and constitutional reform is now overwhelming but I fear that, with the Tory majority any that does take place will be on their term, so we can expect fuck all.


I'll tell you what would be ideal. If we had our own parliament and that we got the government that we voted for an if it had genuine power to shape the country rather than a few token powers that Westminster deem unimportant enough to let us decide for ourselves.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on May 08, 2015, 06:08:18 PM

I'll tell you what would be ideal. If we had our own parliament and that we got the government that we voted for an if it had genuine power to shape the country rather than a few token powers that Westminster deem unimportant enough to let us decide for ourselves.

we all had that chance in September and the majority of Scotland wanted another tory government.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: hebrew on May 08, 2015, 08:15:18 PM
Many voted because there was a chance that they could be in a coalition and actually have a say.  But now we have another 5 years of austerity, unless Cameron reaches out to the SNP which he really has to do.

English voters have rejected the SNP.  If they wanted a coalition of Labour/SNP they would have voted for it.

I don't believe that for a minute - why would you choose to vote for a hypothetical coalition  :dunno:

English voters i don't honestly think really gave a fuck about the SNP - they also didn't give a fuck about Milliband being PM and this imo is why we have another 5 years of the fucking tories
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on May 08, 2015, 08:49:37 PM
I don't believe that for a minute - why would you choose to vote for a hypothetical coalition  :dunno:

Exactly.

It's all utter bollocks.

The english voted for the tories because they are a nation of tight fisted cunts. They don't give a fuck about anything beyond their own front door, unless its something they can blame for their own shortcomings.

They don't admit to planning to vote for the self interest party because that would out them as selfish cunts, and god forbid the neighbours might think know they're tight.

The sadist in me can't wait for these people to moan in 10/20 years time about not being able to send their kids to University or those same kids living at home into their forties. In fact I can't wait to point out how lucky they are, given the cuts to social care spending, that their uneducated socially inadequate child/ren can at least provide them with the care they need, free of charge...
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 08:51:00 PM
we all had that chance in September and the majority of Scotland wanted another tory government.

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/354/6/c/keep_calm_and_let_it_go_by_lordani0512-d6yfjy3.jpg)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 08, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/354/6/c/keep_calm_and_let_it_go_by_lordani0512-d6yfjy3.jpg)

If you want someone to blame for the Tory majority it's clearly the no voters in September. If Scotland can't do it alone we gave to accept who England votes to rules us.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on May 08, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
If you want someone to blame for the Tory majority it's clearly the no voters in September. If Scotland can't do it alone we gave to accept who England votes to rules us.
  Yes, i said the same stuff to family and work collegues today. You reap what you sow. we had a chance to get away from the tories once and for all, but oh no.

We are Better together !

Now enjoy another 5 years of tories.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 10:19:05 PM
Out of interest how many voted in the 2011 referendum and if so did you vote yes or no?

My blame for this current situation lies firmly with those who voted no back in 2011 plus those in the yes campaign who fucked it up.

But of course I've learned to let it go  :doh:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Andrew on May 08, 2015, 10:49:38 PM
Out of interest how many voted in the 2011 referendum and if so did you vote yes or no?

My blame for this current situation lies firmly with those who voted no back in 2011 plus those in the yes campaign who fucked it up.

But of course I've learned to let it go  :doh:

The referendum in 2011 was a huge set up. Blame the lack of ruthlessness of the lib dems and their agreement to possibly the worst representation of pr.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 08, 2015, 11:49:09 PM
Huge set up - yes.

A classic example of the british public failing to understand the situation - yes

Lib dems not ruthless enough - already ahead of you

Similar things could be said about the 2014 referendum

Interesting that down south it has taken old Nigel's antics to get public to start bitching about FPTP,

Under PR the government might look like this

Tory - 239 seats
Labour - 197 seats
UKIP - 81 Seats
Lib Dems - 51 seats
SNP - 30 seats
Green - 24 seats
DUP - 3 Seats
Plaid Cymru - 3 Seats
Sinn Feinn - 3 Seats
UUP - 2 Seats
SDLP -2 seats
Alliance - 2 seats
The Speaker - 1 Seat

12 seats split between the rest

Of course this is just indicative as PR ballot papers (as far as I am aware) are massive as they need to include every single party in the election

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 09, 2015, 09:15:13 AM


Of course this is just indicative as PR ballot papers (as far as I am aware) are massive as they need to include every single party in the election
That's a great point, so highly likely under Nicola's current UK wide wave of popularity, that the SNP would have had significantly more MPs than the 56 we've actually got, and that many of the UKIP protest votes would very well have gone to the SNP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 09, 2015, 10:28:18 AM
That's a great point, so highly likely under Nicola's current UK wide wave of popularity, that the SNP would have had significantly more MPs than the 56 we've actually got, and that many of the UKIP protest votes would very well have gone to the SNP.

Not so sure that the right wing little Englanders who voted UKIP would have switched to the SNP under a PR system. More like SNP were an option nationwide they would have just taken more votes of Labour.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 09, 2015, 11:33:19 AM
Not so sure that the right wing little Englanders who voted UKIP would have switched to the SNP under a PR system. More like SNP were an option nationwide they would have just taken more votes of Labour.

Agreed, Id find that hard to believe that the SNP would make significant gains down here. A lot of people whilst admiring the work Sturgeon has done, its still a scottish party and thats how the english view them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 11, 2015, 08:34:09 AM
Out of interest how many voted in the 2011 referendum and if so did you vote yes or no?

My blame for this current situation lies firmly with those who voted no back in 2011 plus those in the yes campaign who fucked it up.

But of course I've learned to let it go  :doh:


This grinds my fucking gears. You're far from the only no voter to be giving it the "let it go" pish along with the others going on about "sour grapes" and other such childish pish. This wasn't a fucking football result. It was the future of our country and it was taken from us by a mixture selfishness, fear and ignorance. These folk moaning about Scottish nationalism whilst brandishing Union Jacks and completely unable to see that as British nationalists they're just as bad.

But we did vote no and as a result we have the government that we deserve. I cannot wait until the day comes that we can properly govern ourselves.  ::)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 11, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
At the risk of kicking the whole referendum debate off again (be it 2011, 2014 and seemingly the future 2017 one) 3 of the biggest aspects of human nature are selfishness, fear and ignorance hence why we have a 2 party system, gross inequality throughout.

Personally I wish the Yes campaigns for the last 2 referendums would acknowledge that their campaigns were seriously flawed and were pretty much doomed from day 1 because they didn't have enough time to really get their own heads around how the situation would work.
Lib Dems and other smaller parties given just over a year to convince the UK Public to change from a system that they had used all their lives. Tuitions fees are the default back bone fuck up for clegg but not demanding minimum 2.5 years (leaving 2.5 years to work out how to change the whole system if it had been approved) is where I will always criticise him.
The Scots Nats and other Supporters given less than 2 years to convince an entire country to change from the system they had known all their lives. A system which was flawed and irritating still brought a fairly comfortable life to a large chunk of the country unlike the breakup of Balkans or the USSR had not led to civil war, mass starvation and in some areas genocide.
When you have survived those sorts of things it makes it much easier to say 'yes' and unfortunately there is scar tissue concealing large parts of the wounds left by the thatcher-ites

For me the 'no' vote were 'selfish' because they 'feared' the uncertainty of an Independent Scotland and if your life isnt that bad, your mortgage is still being paid and your kids arent going hungry you aint gonna risk losing that.
The 'Yes' vote on the other hand were 'selfish' and 'ignorant' because too many got the saltire tinted braveheart specs and were aggressive to anyone who they felt didnt think their way instead of trying to debate and convince them. Most importantly they failed to get hold of the formal Yes Campaign and say 'fuck sake will you start producing evidence, economic plans, basic simple answers to the doubter's questions instead of playing this tit for tat bullshit with the No campaign. You are falling into their trap just like the Lid Dems did 2-3 years ago!'

Tories, Labour etc knew fine well that agreeing to have an independence referendum or an alternative vote referendum after the 2015 election was political suicide. Essentially a 'Ctrl + Z' option for Scotland and potentially death to their stranglehold on the rest of the UK.

By the time all the dick measuring, political swaggering, accusations or intimidation, fear mongering and flat out lying were done very little had changed from their original stances and we got the results that we did. Both occasions stitched up by the UK Government as they knew it was all about 'time'.

Cats out of the bag now though and I dont doubt if either of those previous referendums were scheduled for this time next year the results would be reversed. However whether or not they would bring the results the people think they would is another matter altogether.

Now lets see how the various campaigns for the EU 'in-out' referendum play their hands. This time it could be classed as 'Tories & UKIP' vs the rest (although not every tory is for leaving) but based on last thursdays results I fear it could be the only referendum in Cameron's legacy that gets a 'Yes'



Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 11, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
I don't buy that either. I can't understand why people persist with this "the Yes/SNP campaign shouting down again". Pish. Yes there will have been folk who raised their voices but it is sheer mind-boggling ignorance to genuinely believe that that happened on only the SNP/Yes side. That happened on both sides. I'm all for debating like adults but when these clowns were voting for their sense of british national pride or because their partners had told them who to vote for it was frustrating. Then of course there was the "I have my reasons for voting no. I'm not going to go into them though" mob.  ::) And don't get me started on the phone calls that pensioners were getting telling them they if Yes won they'd lose their pensions. If anything the Yes campaign were a bit naive by not blatantly lying as much as the No campaign.

There were answers to questions. But the No folk just ignored them because they had made up their minds. That's fine. But you can't say there weren't answers when there were - they just didn't suit your agenda.

My mortgage gets paid and I'm relatively comfortable. I don't have kids but I'd really have to think about it if I do... By the time they got to university age I'd bet they'd have to pay tuition fees! But I read the numbers and to me it was clear that we'd be better off without the rest of the UK. Which is why I wasn't shitting myself that my mortgage would quadruple or my hoose would collapse (or whatever yous were all worried about) in the event of independence. As far as I could see the gains outweighed the risks.

But I agree re one thing. If there was another referendum in 2017 I don't think the result would be any different. Although maybe all the farmers would then have to vote yes this time to get back into the EU since Cameron is determined to get the UK oot. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 12, 2015, 03:39:19 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/11/50-shades-of-tory-twitter_n_7254776.html?utm_hp_ref+tw

Would be hilarious if it wasn't true.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 12, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/11/50-shades-of-tory-twitter_n_7254776.html?utm_hp_ref+tw

Would be hilarious if it wasn't true.


And all we had to do to avoid a Tory government was vote yes. :)

As you can see I'm still trying to "get over it".
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Mentorred on May 12, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
What absolute pish - has it ever occured to you that maybe just maybe folk voted for the SNP for their policies and for the fact they are an anti austerity party - give voters credit for voting for what they believe in

A massive change swept through Scotland last night  and it has fuck all to do with the tories

Every voter in Scotland could have voted Labour and the Tories would still have got in. I voted what I felt was best for Scotland so we could have a louder voice. Just wonder how many more yes votes there may have been if us expats were allowed to vote in the referendum
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 13, 2015, 07:00:22 AM
Every voter in Scotland could have voted Labour and the Tories would still have got in. I voted what I felt was best for Scotland so we could have a louder voice. Just wonder how many more yes votes there may have been if us expats were allowed to vote in the referendum

I knew more no voters than yes ones down here (had they been allowed to).
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 14, 2015, 05:28:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_qCVlYV94

 :rofl:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 17, 2015, 09:45:31 AM
Jim Murphy resigns as leader of Scottish Labour. Pity as I am sure if he had stayed on until the 2016 Holyrood election SNP would only have increased their majority.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 19, 2015, 04:25:04 PM
Amusing read:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11613350/SNP-MPs-invade-Labour-benches-in-Commons.html

Glad to see they are ruffling a few feathers.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 22, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Carmichael has to go surely?

He seems to think a simple apology and not taking his "severance pay" from the Scottish office are sufficient, indicating in his mind his crime is but a mere smidgen.

Everything, everything that is wrong with Westminster epitomised in this toad.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 22, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
Cannot believe folk of Orkney and Shetland elected this cunt again. Was obvious early on that he was behind the leaked memo yet they still voted him back in. If he had any decency Carmichael would stand down but i doubt he even thinks he did anything wrong.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 25, 2015, 10:39:52 AM
Fit's all this about a leaked memo? I think I've missed all this.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on May 25, 2015, 07:50:21 PM
Fit's all this about a leaked memo? I think I've missed all this.
it was an email that cunt made up claiming Sturgeon wanted the tories to win the election to scare the voters away from the SNP.

The bloody guall of the man even lied when first asked if he knew anything. then admitted he fabricated the memo leak and got paid from the papers.

http://news.sky.com/story/1489071/ex-minister-admits-leaking-sturgeon-memo (http://news.sky.com/story/1489071/ex-minister-admits-leaking-sturgeon-memo)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 26, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
 :o How is he still in his job? He's a confirmed liar. How can he still be doing his job? Unreal.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 28, 2015, 05:09:56 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32919400

Now that would be an interesting appointment.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on May 28, 2015, 05:12:57 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32919400

Now that would be an interesting appointment.

What an utter walloper.  He'd be perfect for the job. ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 28, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
What an utter walloper.  He'd be perfect for the job. ;)

Luckily, Londoners aren't that stupid  :wave:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on May 29, 2015, 12:05:24 AM
Luckily, Londoners aren't that stupid  :wave:

Not so sure about that Manc as they voted in Ken Livingstone and Mad Boris.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 29, 2015, 07:08:29 AM
Not so sure about that Manc as they voted in Ken Livingstone and Mad Boris.

One of the few places that reduced the number of Tory seats  :thumbsup:

Ken livingstone did reasonably well for London, but can't argue about Boris.....I blame the x-factor generation.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 29, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-32928077

This is interesting given the shite highland council has been proposing for areas outside of Inverness. Closures of service points, reducing/ stopping gritter services during winter etc.

The remaining SNP & Labour council is now outnumbered by the Independents (35 to 31) which could pretty much fuck up everything the Council have proposed. Suspect my parents and the other Wester Ross Locals will be very pleased.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nellie The Don on June 01, 2015, 09:21:06 PM
If Scottish Labour had just a handful of people who could or would speak like this instead of blindly parroting their tired 'SNP bad' toss, they wouldn't be in the state they are in now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jckm3X5MXo
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Stewart on June 02, 2015, 06:58:25 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32970337

Charles Kennedy dead.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BigAl on June 02, 2015, 07:14:30 AM
Fucking hell, 55:is no age at all !
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 02, 2015, 01:59:20 PM
Supposedly the only Lib Dem MP to vote against the coalition

Sad loss for UK Politics

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 02, 2015, 05:44:19 PM
Supposedly the only Lib Dem MP to vote against the coalition

Sad loss for UK Politics

And also spot on about the Iraq war.
Sad news. I've sat next to him at a charity dinner in Inverness once. Thoroughly engaging chap.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on June 02, 2015, 07:55:24 PM
There's a rumour going around that he fell off the wagon after losing his seat but I have no idea on the accuracy.  Genuinely gutted by this, Charlie Kennedy was a one of the good guys.  I never had the pleasure to meet him but my ex did on many occasions professionally.  She worked in a hospital where a family member of his was residing and she said he was a very down to earth guy under very trying circumstances.  RIP Charlie, you will be sorely missed.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 02, 2015, 08:59:05 PM
There's a rumour going around that he fell off the wagon after losing his seat but I have no idea on the accuracy.  Genuinely gutted by this, Charlie Kennedy was a one of the good guys.  I never had the pleasure to meet him but my ex did on many occasions professionally.  She worked in a hospital where a family member of his was residing and she said he was a very down to earth guy under very trying circumstances.  RIP Charlie, you will be sorely missed.

Paddy ashdown hinted at that this morning on a TV interview., well more so that he had his deamons and he'd tried the hardest out of anyone in the party to retain his seat. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Very sad news.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Jute on June 02, 2015, 10:01:39 PM
There's a rumour going around that he fell off the wagon after losing his seat but I have no idea on the accuracy.  Genuinely gutted by this, Charlie Kennedy was a one of the good guys.  I never had the pleasure to meet him but my ex did on many occasions professionally.  She worked in a hospital where a family member of his was residing and she said he was a very down to earth guy under very trying circumstances.  RIP Charlie, you will be sorely missed.

His father died recently and he had supposedly taken this extremely badly.

Great loss to UK politics always came across as somone who was in politics to help others and not for personal gain like so many others. Lost his seat due to the actions of others in his party. Actions he warned would lead to his party taking the kicking that they did on the 8th of May.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 12, 2015, 01:27:26 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-32928077

This is interesting given the shite highland council has been proposing for areas outside of Inverness. Closures of service points, reducing/ stopping gritter services during winter etc.

The remaining SNP & Labour council is now outnumbered by the Independents (35 to 31) which could pretty much fuck up everything the Council have proposed. Suspect my parents and the other Wester Ross Locals will be very pleased.

Independents take over.
Be interesting to see how a council with no official political party members performs.

Quote
Independent councillors at Highland Council have formally set up a new ruling administration.
Last month, the Liberal Democrats walked out of the SNP-led coalition that had run the local authority since 2012.
Following days of talks, the council's Independent group took steps to form a new administration.
Margaret Davidson has been appointed the local authority's new leader and Isobel McCallum is the new convener.
The new administration said its priorities include increased spending on fixing potholes in roads and a return to local democracy.
Ms Davidson said: "We are on the brink of an exciting time for the Highlands.
"Without being bound by party politics, we intend to take a fresh look at community planning with a renewed emphasis on empowerment.
"We want to work in partnership with our communities and provide them with real local decision making powers."
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 14, 2015, 10:01:18 AM
I would love to see all councils run by independants, to feck with party politics at local level, possibly national level too.  Local politics should be 100% about local issues and local people with nothing whatsoever to do with either Edinburgh or London.  The big problem now is folk elected to local councils just use it as a means to pander to their parties in the hope of getting a sniff of a seat at one of the bigger gigs in either of the above mentioned parliaments.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on September 21, 2015, 06:36:59 PM
So what do we reckon?  Is Pig-gate going to take down Cameron?   I think it could, regardless of how true the allegations are he's going to take a hoor of a ripping for this.  So much so it actually could make his position untenable. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 21, 2015, 08:19:08 PM
So what do we reckon?  Is Pig-gate going to take down Cameron?   I think it could, regardless of how true the allegations are he's going to take a hoor of a ripping for this.  So much so it actually could make his position untenable.

I've been in meetings most of the day so complete missed this, what has gone on?! From quickly scanning BBC, it seems like someone who has admitted having beef with him over not getting a post in his cabinet?  I'd love it to take Cameron down, but fear what would be next. Boris?  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on September 22, 2015, 12:41:12 PM
I've been in meetings most of the day so complete missed this, what has gone on?! From quickly scanning BBC, it seems like someone who has admitted having beef with him over not getting a post in his cabinet?  I'd love it to take Cameron down, but fear what would be next. Boris?  :hammer:

Wrong animal, manc. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on September 22, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
I'm boared of pig-gate already.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 22, 2015, 03:03:37 PM
Wrong animal, manc.

You swine, I hoped no-one would notice  ;)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 07, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
Cameron's speech was bad enough - or at least the "highlights" as presented by the media, like I would watch that predictable and very insane public schoolboy wanker - but the coverage of it by the Sky and BBC news channels defies belief.

Maybe it's me? And my wife. Maybe we're the ones who are mad and who have got the totally wrong end of the stick about hug-a-hoodie Dave? But does nobody have a robustly functioning instinct any more? That doesn't lie. Maybe the dumbing down and the starving people of education and the complicit institutions have won and folk can't feel anything any more, let alone see and think with clarity.

It's a shite state of affairs to be in Tommy and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on October 08, 2015, 12:46:09 AM
No words can ever truly express how much I despise the conservative's. The worst part is whoever replaces Cameron, either Osbourne or Johnson you would think, is going to be worse. It breaks my heart to think we could have been free of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 08, 2015, 07:31:45 AM
No words can ever truly express how much I despise the conservative's. The worst part is whoever replaces Cameron, either Osbourne or Johnson you would think, is going to be worse. It breaks my heart to think we could have been free of them.

This is my biggest fear. You can tell Osborne looks like a tory extraordinaire and makes that pug faced cunt a tory lite. Johnson would be a puppet for some other unknown evil.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 09, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
We voted for this. We've got what we deserve. Everyone stop complaining so much. This is democracy.  :thumbsup:


  :'(
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on October 09, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
We voted for this.

A common misconception from yes supporters.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 09, 2015, 03:51:51 PM
Here's how it works:

The UK holds a general election. More people vote Conservative than any other party so Conservatives get into power. Shortly before that Scotland voted on and rejected independence. What this means is that we cannot break away and then vote in a government of our own (highly unlikely to have been a Conservative government) but that we're stuck with whatever government other, much more populous parts of the UK vote in for us.


It's literally what we voted for. We deserve every tiny bit of depression and misery that comes from our government in Westminster because all the "British" wankfucks and the pussies that let themselves get bullied voted no. Happy days.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 09, 2015, 11:56:42 PM
That's as good an example of the case being stated so accurately that it isn't just closed, it's been shut so emphatically that not even one of the 55% can respond to that.

Excellent critical thinking and fine wordsmithery sir 🏆👍
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 13, 2015, 10:00:31 AM

Most of them aren't bothered about responding though. You could tell the spastic (usually female) no voters a mile off with their "I have my reasons and they're private" line.

I went to see Kevin Bridges last night. One of his jokes was about a man that he was talking to in New York. The man was saying that he can't believe Scotland rejected independence. He mentioned historical figures such as Robert the Bruce and William Wallace. And Kevin said "That's all very well but we thought Asda were going to bump up their prices.  There's only so much we're willing to pay for crispy pancakes."

It would've been funnier if it was so tragically accurate of the average No voter.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scunnered999 on October 13, 2015, 12:07:30 PM
Result of referendum: Yes = 44.65% No = 55.25%

Yes lost. Get over it
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 13, 2015, 01:21:35 PM
Oh Jesus. Not the "get over it" pish again.  ::) That's even more tedious than us still going on about it.

Bad football result, losing your debit card, speeding fine, missing out on gig tickets, knee injury or getting a puncture. All examples of things that you can "get over" given time.

The rejection of independence from a war-mongering, elitist and fundamentally corrupt from top to bottom nation like the UK isn't something you get just "get over" if you've got 2 fucking brain cells to rub together.

Will you be one of the masses fucking off to live in other countries once Scotland becomes independent?  :wave: :wave: :wave: Or are you one of the numpties that actually thinks it won't happen?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: scunnered999 on October 13, 2015, 04:26:14 PM
It won't happen - but if it does, Yes I will be fucking off somewhere else and will sadly watch Scotland go down the tubes from afar.

Had the shoe been on other foot and the Yessers had won said referendum... I'm making a wild stab in the dark that you'd have been one of the first to say FFS get over it.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 13, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Such hostility towards the concept of home rule.

To see bleakness in a possibility is a Scottish trait, undoubtedly.

But to openly declare support for No is to declare trust, if not support for Westminster.

That's what I don't get.

I knew most people are thick and so the 55% is no surprise.

But rather than hearing the same old politician lies, I'm genuinely intrigued to hear from one of the 55% why they trust the establishment?

Is it the media? Is it their Eton accents? Was it their parents conditioning?

How on earth in this day and age an intelligent Scotsman can vote No is beyond me. What did they miss? What do they think, if indeed they are capable of critical thinking. How can anybody NOT see through our history and the corruption of the political establishment?

Amazing.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 14, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
It won't happen - but if it does, Yes I will be fucking off somewhere else and will sadly watch Scotland go down the tubes from afar.


  :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wave: :wave: :wave: Don't let the door hit your arse on your way oot.


Had the shoe been on other foot and the Yessers had won said referendum... I'm making a wild stab in the dark that you'd have been one of the first to say FFS get over it.


Your wild stab would be wholly incorrect. Unlike 99.9% of No voters (and, I'm sure some Yes voters too) I am actually able to grasp how big a decision this was/is and, as you're aware, have been unable to just passively dismiss it.

 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 14, 2015, 07:58:26 AM
Such hostility towards the concept of home rule.

To see bleakness in a possibility is a Scottish trait, undoubtedly.

But to openly declare support for No is to declare trust, if not support for Westminster.

That's what I don't get.

I knew most people are thick and so the 55% is no surprise.

But rather than hearing the same old politician lies, I'm genuinely intrigued to hear from one of the 55% why they trust the establishment?

Is it the media? Is it their Eton accents? Was it their parents conditioning?

How on earth in this day and age an intelligent Scotsman can vote No is beyond me. What did they miss? What do they think, if indeed they are capable of critical thinking. How can anybody NOT see through our history and the corruption of the political establishment?

Amazing.


That's British nationalism for you. Meanwhile they're shouting out about how Scottish Nationalism is poisonous. Aye it's poisonous to you aforementioned British wankfucks.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on October 14, 2015, 11:57:07 AM
Such hostility towards the concept of home rule.

To see bleakness in a possibility is a Scottish trait, undoubtedly.

But to openly declare support for No is to declare trust, if not support for Westminster.

That's what I don't get.

I knew most people are thick and so the 55% is no surprise.

But rather than hearing the same old politician lies, I'm genuinely intrigued to hear from one of the 55% why they trust the establishment?

Is it the media? Is it their Eton accents? Was it their parents conditioning?

How on earth in this day and age an intelligent Scotsman can vote No is beyond me. What did they miss? What do they think, if indeed they are capable of critical thinking. How can anybody NOT see through our history and the corruption of the political establishment?

Amazing.

I can see why people voted No. I didn't, and was never going to, but the SNP "vision" was just a Scottish version of the status quo. It was truly fuckin dire. They avoided the currency issue like the plague, because the most obvious and best solution for Scotland - creating its own currency - was unpalatable for most economy-spakkers. The complete and utter lack of vision in the white paper was staggering, and the failure to mention issues such as resource use, the environment, work-automation - i.e. the massive head-in-the-sand topics for our UK government meant we were essentially voting for PR in order that we could get a better option after independence. I suspect many people saw a Scottish establishment replacing a UK one, and they could be forgiven for thinking that. So for many, the changes presented weren't worth the risk where the debt-fuelled status quo for most people is being a job-loss away from losing your house, marriage, car etc. The SNP - because it was all about the SNP - didn't nearly do enough to reassure people that there'd be a safety net, that the right of the person would trump those of the corporation and that the state would provide the fall-back if things didn't go swimmingly.

When you're selling something as big as the SNP were, it's not good enough to say that we're capable of running things, so don't worry. You need to give people the scenario if things don't go well for them too. The SNP still haven't provided that, nor have they produced a credible currency option. They're relying on things getting so bad under Westminster - either through a financial crash or a Euro exit - that they'll get a back-door referendum 2. At which point they'll dust down The White Paper and sell us the same stunted vision. Voting Yes required/requires a hell of a lot of trust, assumption and vision that many people weren't/aren't willing to give or can visualise. I would suggest a lot of people voted No through scepticism rather than stupidity.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 14, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
That's a good argument. I also regret the weakness of the SNP's presentation but I wasn't voting for them.

New currency and EEC-free was what I wanted, issues that were far too radical for the electorate to consider. I wanted independence to mean truly independent.

I don't buy the "scottish establishment" line. There isn't one. There's nothing near the same extent as the aristocratic, public-school, London club culture that has bred a self-serving elite political ruling class in Engerlund. We don't have neither the same institutions nor the history to breed a new corruption post-independence. Plus, being a smaller country, any self-serving would be easily exposed.

That alone was a big factor in my support for home-rule. Not just the transparency of a smaller company/ organisation/ nation being easier to run than a larger one but the inherent integrity of the Scottish people, weegies, fifers, neds and work-shy welfare-state institutionalised scum aside. And boy do we have a load of them! Again though, easier to tackle - i.e. sterilise or clandestinely exterminate - when the population is a tenth the size.

How else can we get a Republic of Aberdonia? Got to get Scottish Independence first. Then we can arm ourselves with Nukes and tell the rest of the fuckers to dee fit they're telt.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on October 14, 2015, 05:16:58 PM
I voted yes for many reasons but top of the list was never be ruled by tories ever again.  I was really surprised the yes campaign didn't put up billboards with pictures of thatcher, portillo, tebbit, IDS, Osbourne and Cameron with the tag "never have to tolerate their like again"
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 14, 2015, 09:49:09 PM
I voted yes for many reasons but top of the list was never be ruled by tories ever again.  I was really surprised the yes campaign didn't put up billboards with pictures of thatcher, portillo, tebbit, IDS, Osbourne and Cameron with the tag "never have to tolerate their like again"

I see no difference between the Tories and Blair, Brown, the Milibands, Andy Burnham, Harman et al.

It's the institutionalised cuntishness that's wrong, not the one or the other.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 14, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
Much as I believe in the integrity of Corbyn, it's never going to happen. He's not the man to break the mould. A good heart only goes so far. This McDonnell cunt is indeed embarrassing. Integrity without nous is unenforceable. This is a golden fart happening. Corbyn hasn't got support from any do-ers. Only idealists. Any cunt can think. It takes balls to change stuff. He's fucked already. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 15, 2015, 08:50:05 AM
With hindsight the Yes campaing should have tried to win by any means necessary like what the No campaign reverted to. The No campaign didn't hesitate to spout whatever lies they felt would help their cause where as Yes, naively, didn't do that.

Remember when Darling said "Vote No for faster, better change in Scotland"?  :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on October 15, 2015, 12:04:51 PM
With hindsight the Yes campaing should have tried to win by any means necessary like what the No campaign reverted to. The No campaign didn't hesitate to spout whatever lies they felt would help their cause where as Yes, naively, didn't do that.

Remember when Darling said "Vote No for faster, better change in Scotland"?  :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

There's no way the Yes campaign could have out-lied a Westminster and Murdoch/Rothemere etc backed lie campaign. Nor did they need to. PR alone was good enough to vote Yes for if we'd had our own currency. That would have put us on a level starting point with every other sovereign country in the world, but with a fair voting system. An instant step up from being part of the FPTP UK.
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Post by: RicoS321 on October 19, 2015, 10:04:44 AM
Fit are everyone's thoughts on the EU referendum then? In or oot?

I'm swaying toward out at the moment. Not in an immigration/Faragey type way though. I just think it's a shambles. A TTIP loving shambles, which has forgotten - or never had - many of the progressive leanings that it is lauded for. I don't believe we (Europe, as a whole) need it for trade, or human rights and I think it's grown to the stage where it's too big to change and move forward. The ECB is basically a political wing of the German government, and the politicians are owned by corporations - it's a scaled up version of Westminster in my opinion.

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Post by: manc_don on October 21, 2015, 02:06:46 PM
Fit are everyone's thoughts on the EU referendum then? In or oot?

I'm swaying toward out at the moment. Not in an immigration/Faragey type way though. I just think it's a shambles. A TTIP loving shambles, which has forgotten - or never had - many of the progressive leanings that it is lauded for. I don't believe we (Europe, as a whole) need it for trade, or human rights and I think it's grown to the stage where it's too big to change and move forward. The ECB is basically a political wing of the German government, and the politicians are owned by corporations - it's a scaled up version of Westminster in my opinion.


I don't know enough about it to be honest, but something I intend to learn more about.  Though I would agree about your last sentence, that much is clear.  I know we always joke (I certainly do to my german friend - and even they agree) that it's just a more acceptable way of them taking over Europe.  That doesn't really bother me though.  I don't think it would really bother me if we were in or out of the EU. 
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Post by: Tyrant on October 21, 2015, 02:27:37 PM
I'm leaning towards oot but then I hear the knuckle-draggers going on aboot those damn foreigners and it makes me want to vote in.

So far I'm undecided. I plan to absorb as much info as I can and make an informed decision. As I did last September.

What's the Conservative policy? the opposite of that is a good place to start.
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Post by: RicoS321 on October 21, 2015, 03:50:51 PM
Tory policy is: it makes little difference to me and my rich friends. I find all this politics business a jolly great riot, but lets not take it too seriously eh? It's not like our lives depend on it.

Straight from their manifesto.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on October 21, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
I'm out. Europe is just an additional layer of government that costs a hell of a lot of money, our money.

It has grown arms and legs and has never been anything other than a net drain.

The corruption is institutionalised and it is completely unfit for purpose.

People will continue to trade cross-border and people will choose to holiday, live and work in other countries.

That's what happens naturally. Fuck paying for suits with self-interest in their black hearts.

Farage is a total Nigel, naturally, but he was right about the EEC. He appeals to the racist pigs unfortunately but his speech in the EEC a few years ago was phenomenal in it's guts, honesty and delivery.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 22, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
http://youtu.be/GbJp8zxduWk

I was referring to another speech by him.

I didn't know about this one from a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 10, 2015, 12:45:37 PM
Cameron at Chatham House.

Surely the British people aren't this stupid?

His proposed referendum is to follow his "renegotiation".

It's not a negotiation when both sides want the same outcome.

Merkel and Cameron are on the same side, the one ruled by Obama's bosses.

The referendum is required because 5m people voted for UKIP.

The "renegotiation" is going to be a strategy designed to appease UKIP type voters as well as the more informed Euro sceptics.

And an opportunity for Cameron to try and make himself look like he cares about British people.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 12, 2015, 06:42:05 PM
Scotland's HMRC offices to close, the government announced today, retaining only two regional centres, one in Glasgow and one in Edinburgh.

Cue the outrage as a couple of thousand Scots lose their jobs.

Instead of ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY HMRC OFFICES in the UK, there will be thirteen.

How the fuck can we need 170 x HMRC offices in this day and age?

Most of the people employed in these offices are useless bastards, fit for fuck all. Some are good people, if not quirkily unemployable in the private sector but 170 offices for UK tax?

The irony is that the corporatocracy don't pay tax. Even the chancellor avoided 12m.

The will to collect tax fairly and equitably has been posted as missing as the capability to administer it properly.

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Post by: rocket_scientist on November 12, 2015, 06:49:23 PM
This provides a great opportunity though. This is how they work.

Boris and David and Rupert and Horatio and other old Etonians - the names have no relation to persons alive and kicking and are used for illustrative purposes only - will be tipped off to set up a tax collection private agency.

With the substantial savings made by reducing 170 offices to 13, who the fuck is going to miss a couple of hundred million paid to their mates for services supposedly rendered?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 24, 2015, 05:10:26 PM
Attended the Houses of Parliament today for the first and last time this afternoon.

We spent about 40 minutes in the Commons and 5 minutes in the Lords.

The U.K. is in worse shape than I thought. I've never bothered to watch BBC Parliament before. The standard of debater is incredibly poor. The rituals and protocols are ridiculously counter-productive. The "debate" we happened across today was an important one, on Trident but it was a deeply unimpressive performance by all but one of the speakers, the Ediburgh North Aussie SNP lass. Mostly, they're all wankers. Public schooled thick wankers at that.

The Lords was considerably busier. Only spotted half a dozen sleepers, one of which I'm convinced must've died.

Didn't feel an alien environment. Felt like I had as much right to be in those buildings than any of those cunts. The show of democracy is of sufficient quality. It is of course the substance that is lacking, in every conceivable way.
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Post by: Davis Patch on December 04, 2015, 10:18:09 AM
So sad to see this youtube politics talk
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Post by: rocket_scientist on December 16, 2015, 09:15:38 PM
Dear Alec Salmond,

You're a fucking disgrace.

You're calling Trump a "three time loser" today.

He's calling you "irrelevant", which you undoubtedly are.

Facts aren't bad in situations like this. As they are most of the time.

You were best pals once upon a time. When you were wearing the black kilt in NY and sucking his cock.

You made him a "Scottish Ambassador", whatever the fuck that means.

Then you asked him to support your position on Al Megrahi.

Which was a totally inappropriate thing to do, a complete abuse of whatever relationship you once had.

He told you to fuck off. Quite rightly.

And you spat the dummy.

Kiardly, you decided to position the offshore wind farm right opposite Trump International.

What an arsehole thing to do.

Now that Trump spouts his rhetoric that YOU think is unpalatable, you think it's time to wade in.

Mate, you blew it.

You've been stealing a wage for your whole life and you delivered fuck all.

You didn't even have the intelligence to run the (true) independent card.

How ironic that "call me Dave" might deliver EU divorce when this was the key card you never had the balls to play.

Your legacy is zero, you fat joke cunt.

Go home and look after your elderly wife before she expires of boredom, living with you.

Cunt.

And check out Trump on Alex Jones. infowars have been years ahead of the times.

You've always been years behind.

Charlatan cunt. Fat charlatan cunt.

Disgrace to the NE. Banff & Buchan parochial penis.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on December 18, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
As I stated above on 10th November, the charade is now being played out.

Whereas corrupt leaders following sham strategies and lying to the people is cause for offence, the spirit was lifted (once again) by the truth that comes out in Question Time, often in surprising ways and from unexpected parties.

Piers Morgan was right to criticise Cameron's "negotiating skills" and correctly identified that the "four baskets" are nothing but it was Jacob Rees Mogg who created the opportunity for him to criticise and it was he who absolutely nailed Cameron the best.

The sham of the press conference right now and Cameron speaking shite about working hard for Britain is tantamount to criminal liability in my opinion. It's deliberately deceit and fraudulent, pretending like he is, lying in pursuit of an agenda which many of us all saw through before this process even started.

Well done Jacob last night. I never expected a Tory to speak truth and be disloyal to his leader. Then again, it's Eurosceptics like you and the millions of us that has forced the need for the referendum.

And as he correctly identified when asking the SNP lass, it is a massive contradiction for us to want independence from Westminster and yet stay in the EU. This is another massive mistake that Salmond left us, one that Nicola is using to play politics with, not having the balls nor the foresight to see the reality.

The EU is a drain, a strictly unrequired £55,000,000 per day expense we can't afford. And another Euro Bank president gets indicted. You can't make it up but like Trump in the US, like Putin every time he speaks and like Farage has so consistently been on Europe, when the uncomfortable truth is spoken, the speaker is demonised by the ruling kleptocracy.

Thanks also to JRM last night for the hilarious Hilary Dimbleby quip. Absolutely brilliant ripping of a man I don't like.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 18, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
The BBC are a shocking organisation.

Not that anyone needed these reports from the EU to prove this

Laura's prominence through the ranks has nothing to do with her ancestry.

And the sheeple watch and swallow it wholesale.

Cameron is a cunt. And so are the complicit BBC bastards.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on April 23, 2016, 10:28:27 PM
Obama warns that it might take a decade to negotiate a trade deal.

He says the UK couldn't negotiate faster than the EU could.

Listen up fuckhead. Business runs faster than politics. We don't need you.

Some of us are getting paid from US businesses, individuals and institutions. When our products and services are good enough, you buy, wherever you are in the world. We don't need red tape.

What a shocking tactic by Cameron to wheel him in.

Now that Killary Clinton has waded in on the same establishment side, it would take a fucking imbecile not to smell the rat. People who live in Edinburgh, and the 55% who voted No is proof enough how imbecilic we are in Scotland. I just hope the English don't fuck this one up too.

Salmond and Sturgeon have made a grave error here.

You cunts are too thick to know what day of the week it is.



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Post by: Kowalski on May 06, 2016, 11:38:44 AM
A reasonably interesting night north of the border.

I'll never vote Tory but clearly some are seeing them as the only alternative to the SNP at the moment.  Total shambles for Labour.

And with SNP losing their overall majority perhaps that's a wake up call for them.  The focus should be on their record in government and not a second independence referendum of which too much is made (by all parties).
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Post by: RicoS321 on May 06, 2016, 03:36:07 PM
A reasonably interesting night north of the border.

I'll never vote Tory but clearly some are seeing them as the only alternative to the SNP at the moment.  Total shambles for Labour.

And with SNP losing their overall majority perhaps that's a wake up call for them.  The focus should be on their record in government and not a second independence referendum of which too much is made (by all parties).

Doubt SNP will be that concerned. 5 more years in government with 2 short of a majority just now is not exactly a failure. I think if Labour Scotland had fully embraced Corbyn they'd have stood a better chance. The Tories have always fared well with the rural landowners and such like, they were always going to pick up more votes in this election, especially with a competent leader in Scotland.
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Post by: tom_widdows on May 06, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
Tories climb down from forcing English schools to become academies

Would like to think they will abandon the Junior Doctor fiasco soon too but fear they have their fangs deep into that one and wont let go
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Post by: bearsdenred on May 06, 2016, 06:43:58 PM
Doubt SNP will be that concerned. 5 more years in government with 2 short of a majority just now is not exactly a failure. I think if Labour Scotland had fully embraced Corbyn they'd have stood a better chance. The Tories have always fared well with the rural landowners and such like, they were always going to pick up more votes in this election, especially with a competent leader in Scotland.
I  recon the tory vote in Scotland was really due to Liberals shooting themselves in the foot and jumping into bed with the tories. To even see that sort of vote north of the border is shocking and very worrying to see. But not suprising. especially with corybin in charge.
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Post by: RicoS321 on May 07, 2016, 11:17:24 AM
Mason sums it up pretty well here. Whilst I think the possibility of future independence could go either way (it needs to happen soon or the SNP will begin to lose support), he's spot on in regard to Labour.

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elections-2016-the-scottish-earthquake-continues-f829864192b5#.scr6qbp63 (https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elections-2016-the-scottish-earthquake-continues-f829864192b5#.scr6qbp63)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 10, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Reports on the news tonight that it's 120,000 oil and gas jobs that will be lost.

Great news.

About time the wankers got found out.

Devastating for "my" city.

That's cool. We were thinking about leaving anyway.

Sweet justice.
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Post by: Edinburghdon on June 10, 2016, 11:46:36 PM
Reports on the news tonight that it's 120,000 oil and gas jobs that will be lost.

Great news.

About time the wankers got found out.

Devastating for "my" city.

That's cool. We were thinking about leaving anyway.

Sweet justice.

Really showing your class there rocket.

 ::)
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Post by: tom_widdows on June 11, 2016, 08:51:32 AM
Enjoyed jeremy corbyn on the last leg. First time a politican appeared to answer questions with his own opinions and thoughts rather than a spin doctor's script.
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Post by: baggy89 on June 16, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
Have we seen the first act of terrorism borne from the xenophobic agenda brought by the Brexit vote and backed by UKIP, BNP, Britains First and the worst of the Tory party?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 16, 2016, 10:38:27 PM
Have we seen the first act of terrorism borne from the xenophobic agenda brought by the Brexit vote and backed by UKIP, BNP, Britains First and the worst of the Tory party?

Oh wow, looks like you're right! Hadn't read anything on it since it was announced earlier in the day. Such an atrocious act.
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Post by: baggy89 on June 16, 2016, 11:18:51 PM
As soon as I had the push notification this morning I thought "Labour, Yorkshire, MP. There will be mental health issues, but it'll be an anti immigration, anti EU nutter."
TBF the amount of trolling being done on social media by the leave supporters is enough to drive the most sensible folk crazy.
Question Time cancelled because politicians can't be trusted not to point score on the murder of a colleague.
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Post by: manc_don on June 17, 2016, 07:22:34 AM
Mental, I thought the days of an MP being murdered for political gains were long past us. Just so shocked and its showing what the leave campaign are really like. Complete and utter waste of what promised to be a good political career. Cretins. I really hope that this will now swing the vote in the right direction.
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Post by: Kowalski on June 17, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
It's fucking nuts. If this is linked in any way to the stirring up of emotions by certain members of the Brexit camp then this is really troubling. We live in a fucked up society.

Farage's poster yesterday was shocking.
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Post by: manc_don on June 17, 2016, 09:22:08 AM
It's fucking nuts. If this is linked in any way to the stirring up of emotions by certain members of the Brexit camp then this is really troubling. We live in a fucked up society.

Farage's poster yesterday was shocking.

Showing his true colours by using a former Nazi Propaganda poster. What an absolute cretin.
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Post by: Tyrant on June 17, 2016, 09:57:32 AM
As soon as I had the push notification this morning I thought "Labour, Yorkshire, MP. There will be mental health issues, but it'll be an anti immigration, anti EU nutter."
TBF the amount of trolling being done on social media by the leave supporters is enough to drive the most sensible folk crazy.
Question Time cancelled because politicians can't be trusted not to point score on the murder of a colleague.

Did he have mental health issues or was he just a racist prick who happened to have white skin? If he had brown skin you'd not see the term "mental health issues" fucking anywhere.

Still undecided on the vote like.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on July 02, 2016, 11:26:06 AM
Ken Macintosh's opening speech before the Queens statement was a perfect example of why Scotland should be independent.

We are different from any other nation. We share the same values as 99%+ of the world's population but being a small nation, we aren't able to rule with anything other than openness and integrity. Our political classes can't get off with pulling the wool over our eyes. Our people are too principled and aware.

The Jock Tamson's bairns connotations are both negative and positive. Negative in being anti-entrepreneurship, innovation and individuality. Positive in that it demands equality, at least of treatment and opportunity.

When was the last politician speech that resonated? Hillary Benn's re bombing Syria was passionate and well delivered, for sure, but it was evil in content and would have made his late great father turn in his grave.

Ken MacIntosh, take a bow, son. We may have seen the birth of a leader today. Brilliant speech.

The fucking trumpeters and other musicians are fucking bowf though. We Scots are really awful at putting on a show. We should just stick to substance. Our stylistic fripperies are fucking shite.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on July 05, 2016, 07:35:15 AM
I am amazed it's taken this long for Saudi Arabia to be bombed.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 29, 2016, 07:02:44 AM
Sigmar Gabriel has announced that TTIP has failed.

A rare piece of great news and sanity in a mad world getting madder.

Conspicuously absent from BBC's "news"!

And unsurprisingly ignored by Rupert's Sky.
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Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Sigmar Gabriel has announced that TTIP has failed.

A rare piece of great news and sanity in a mad world getting madder.

Conspicuously absent from BBC's "news"!

And unsurprisingly ignored by Rupert's Sky.

It could be argued that it's irrelevant to us now we're leaving Europe! Coverage absent from the Guardian too, which is surprising, although the announcement isn't anything more than an opinion. Will be interesting to see what deal a Conservative led UK tries to agree with the US post-brexit. The notion that we even need a deal is strange to me. We clearly don't.
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Post by: RicoS321 on August 31, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
Another fantastic piece by John Pilger:

http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media (http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media)
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Post by: rocket_scientist on August 31, 2016, 12:01:02 PM
Another fantastic piece by John Pilger:

http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media (http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media)

Brilliant again, telling you and I what we already knew.

It's amazing to me that the thick sheeple can't see through the media lies. The demonisation of Corbyn is precisely because he is not corrupt and doesn't want the world war that the USA needs and Hitlery Clinton will pursue, if elected. And yet the vast majority can't see it? Do they want us - NATO - to pursue the US world hegemony project? Don't they watch the Putin interviews? Why do they swallow what Sky and BBC tell them?

I watch Sky and BBC only to see what they're feeding the fucking idiots I share the pub with, the streets with and who drive on the same roads as me. I'm amazed Rupert allows us access to RT - Russia Today - and Al Jazeera but I bet the red top readers never tune in.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: dave_min on August 31, 2016, 07:19:09 PM
Has anything of note happened in the 4 years since I last posted in this thread?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on August 31, 2016, 07:25:27 PM
Has anything of note happened in the 4 years since I last posted in this thread?

Aye. Somebody who cannot manage to reserve seats on a train is seen as the great hope of British politics.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 12, 2016, 06:53:40 PM
The cunt Cameron has resigned. And he says he doesn't know what he will do next?

That's funny, because I do and so do thousands of others.

After an extended holiday, he will emerge in 2017 as a non-executive director of some companies and as a consultant to others. He will also be engaged for public speaking duties which will also command obscene fees.

What the people paying him all have in common is that they were enriched directly through his mismanagement of the economy and his blatant misappropriation of public funds.

In fact, he will become a multi-millionaire exactly like Blair did, following the exact same formula.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on September 14, 2016, 02:08:36 PM
Talk about cynical timing as well. Impressive stuff from the dead pig shagging fuck.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 15, 2016, 10:15:00 PM
Laura Kuntsberg. Seriously, how is she married?

Why does she wear a wedding band?

Who the fuck can be that sick to want to fuck that witch bitch?
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Post by: bearsdenred on September 16, 2016, 08:24:45 AM
who the hell is that?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 16, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
BBC political editor. May have spelt her surname wrong.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on September 17, 2016, 08:11:54 AM
She's a Partick fan. Seems more like a Tim.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on January 17, 2017, 09:18:35 PM
interesting read, pretty much sums up what we know:

http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882?platform=hootsuite (http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882?platform=hootsuite)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 17, 2017, 09:37:16 PM
interesting read, pretty much sums up what we know:

http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882?platform=hootsuite (http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_problem_with_the_english_england_doesn_t_want_to_be_just_another_member_of_a_team_1_4851882?platform=hootsuite)

Excellent article.

Like the best ones, it provides the detail of a big picture we suspected we knew but without this accuracy of analysis, we never really saw it at all. Superb interpretation by obviously highly qualified people.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on January 17, 2017, 11:13:33 PM
Brilliant article Manc, fantastic find.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 18, 2017, 02:00:18 PM
"Punishment beatings for trying to escape"

This clown is supposed to be foreign secretary.


I can just hear that entire nation humming the tune of the great escape for the next two years.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 07, 2017, 12:16:09 PM
Why is Bercow attracting criticism for his words yesterday?

1. Racism
2. Sexism
3. Independence of the judiciary

It's the speakers prerogative (well, one of three) to invite an address or not so there isn't any possible protocol breach there and what he said was absolutely true. If we can't stand up for "our values", however compromised they have been by Blair and Cameron, we're not a country at all. The speaker did the PM's thinking for her, that's what they don't like but that's hardly his fault, giving the correct view on a subject that he has jurisdiction on and speaking the truth where the cowering old witch wimp hasn't got any balls.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on February 07, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Why is Bercow attracting criticism for his words yesterday?

1. Racism
2. Sexism
3. Independence of the judiciary

It's the speakers prerogative (well, one of three) to invite an address or not so there isn't any possible protocol breach there and what he said was absolutely true. If we can't stand up for "our values", however compromised they have been by Blair and Cameron, we're not a country at all. The speaker did the PM's thinking for her, that's what they don't like but that's hardly his fault, giving the correct view on a subject that he has jurisdiction on and speaking the truth where the cowering old witch wimp hasn't got any balls.


Genuinely, I was watching the news with disbelief this morning.  I couldn't understand why they were speaking out against him.  Then the newsreader said who was against him saying what he did, the Tories. Cunts. Every single scrounging one of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 07, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
Why is Bercow attracting criticism for his words yesterday?

1. Racism
2. Sexism
3. Independence of the judiciary

It's the speakers prerogative (well, one of three) to invite an address or not so there isn't any possible protocol breach there and what he said was absolutely true. If we can't stand up for "our values", however compromised they have been by Blair and Cameron, we're not a country at all. The speaker did the PM's thinking for her, that's what they don't like but that's hardly his fault, giving the correct view on a subject that he has jurisdiction on and speaking the truth where the cowering old witch wimp hasn't got any balls.
You're currently on 88 durrants, but if this doesn't get you to 1 simmie, there's no justice. Well said sir.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on February 07, 2017, 08:26:17 PM
Why is Bercow attracting criticism for his words yesterday?

1. Racism
2. Sexism
3. Independence of the judiciary

It's the speakers prerogative (well, one of three) to invite an address or not so there isn't any possible protocol breach there and what he said was absolutely true. If we can't stand up for "our values", however compromised they have been by Blair and Cameron, we're not a country at all. The speaker did the PM's thinking for her, that's what they don't like but that's hardly his fault, giving the correct view on a subject that he has jurisdiction on and speaking the truth where the cowering old witch wimp hasn't got any balls.

The tories hate Bercow, truly despise him and any opportunity which comes along to attack him they will do so. A lot of tories will also love Trump, he would have lots in common with most of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 24, 2017, 09:42:19 AM
Staggering result in the Copeland by-election.

What it proves is the stupidity and/or the moral cowardice of many English.

In a smaller company, region, organisation or country, it's easier to see what's real. No chance would Scotland ever vote Tory majority but even here we have establishment arselickers. That Mundell is an incredible abomination.

I don't despair for Copeland but it's tragic that a majority of half the eligible voters (and 50% turnout was better than just over a third in Stoke) see sufficient in the conservatives to actually put pen to paper.

The leader of the traditional alternative party has been battered by the corrupted media and his own party. This was superbly illustrated on QT last night. That sour-faced self-satisfied wank chairman of Stoke spouted the usual anti-Corbyn rhetoric which inspired two ordinary decent people to launch to his defence. Integrity was the key word. Within the government, there is none and the ignorant English don't care.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 24, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
Staggering result in the Copeland by-election.

What it proves is the stupidity and/or the moral cowardice of many English.

In a smaller company, region, organisation or country, it's easier to see what's real. No chance would Scotland ever vote Tory majority but even here we have establishment arselickers. That Mundell is an incredible abomination.

I don't despair for Copeland but it's tragic that a majority of half the eligible voters (and 50% turnout was better than just over a third in Stoke) see sufficient in the conservatives to actually put pen to paper.

The leader of the traditional alternative party has been battered by the corrupted media and his own party. This was superbly illustrated on QT last night. That sour-faced self-satisfied wank chairman of Stoke spouted the usual anti-Corbyn rhetoric which inspired two ordinary decent people to launch to his defence. Integrity was the key word. Within the government, there is none and the ignorant English don't care.

Aye, it's nuts. It's identity politics all the way now, with very little way back. Unfortunately Corbyn loses in this regard very time because of the tabloid shite. Of course, there could be some sort of UTG type local reasoning too I suppose that we're not party too, which is fair doos. I don't believe the Labour party has a viable future. I hope the people of Scotland are paying attention. Independence is the only remaining route of opposition.
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Post by: manc_don on February 24, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
Aye, it's nuts. It's identity politics all the way now, with very little way back. Unfortunately Corbyn loses in this regard very time because of the tabloid shite. Of course, there could be some sort of UTG type local reasoning too I suppose that we're not party too, which is fair doos. I don't believe the Labour party has a viable future. I hope the people of Scotland are paying attention. Independence is the only remaining route of opposition.

Hard to see any other way. The cunts down here keep voting Tory who in turn ignore any promises they claimed to make. Politicians make me sick with their pathetic shite.
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Post by: manc_don on March 07, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-europe-cornwall-funding-deserved-sneering-condescending-remainer-explode-a7612266.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-europe-cornwall-funding-deserved-sneering-condescending-remainer-explode-a7612266.html)

Interesting article and it was obvious that the folk in Cornwall were the first to buy into all the lies.  It's going to be a tough few decades for Cornwall.  I remember my girlfriend going into a handbag shop in St. Ives and she asked how she was going to cope with brexit.  The shop lady said it wouldn't make a difference, to which my g/f said, but you get all your handbags from Italy...Oh, replied the shop keeper...I hadn't thought of that...Cornwall has always heavily relied on EU funding.

Politics these days is so divisive, same happened in Scotland with the indyref and the same has obviously happened in trumptown with both sides firing shots left right and centre.  I find it incredulous that brexiteers state it's not right that those "remoaners" voice their dismay and frankly laugh at those who voted wrongly. Obviously I'm not saying either campaign was great, because it wasn't and reflected the stupidity of society today, but fuck me, this is a shite state of affairs. How do we fix it? Scotland has an option, not sure about the rest of the UK. Lambs to a slaughter.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 07, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Well, the bastards are not depriving me of my European Citizenship.

I don't trust the Scots ever to feel confident enough to leave their masters down south so unless the SDP mark2 makes a quick entrance onto the British political scene I'm going to have to look into changing my nationality.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on March 07, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
The EU funding that anyone in the UK got was only getting our own UK money back less interest and less the absurd costs of having an EU system. The EU was never a wealth-making institution. It was always a drain.

It may have been more equitably disbursed but the sad reality is that this horrible insane government will punish the areas of the country that don't toe their corrupt party line. They punish the poor and the weak, as Loach depicted brilliantly in I, Daniel Blake. They don't invest in mental health nor social care. They prop up the banks and their stealing. They turn a blind eye to tax evasion by their mates and by big corporations. They're privatising the NHS by stealth, by deliberately factoring in efficiencies and adding ridiculously needless costs. They allow the pharmas to steal from the public purse. They even pretend to care about the food chain although we're still waiting for the heralded sugar tax.

The vote for Brexit was a vote against modern political systems. What we forgot was how divisive and sick Westminster actually is, ably supported by the presstitute media who should all be shot.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 07, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
Food production in this country is a fuckin joke.
Or would be if it was remotely funny.


Food scare after food scare after food scare, and still they get away with labeling food with a hun flag and folk think that it's a symbol of quality.

......and as for taste...... :rofl:
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Post by: RicoS321 on March 07, 2017, 03:12:02 PM
Food production in this country is a fuckin joke.
Or would be if it was remotely funny.


Food scare after food scare after food scare, and still they get away with labeling food with a hun flag and folk think that it's a symbol of quality.

......and as for taste...... :rofl:

Don't shop in supermarkets then. I don't, and get great tasting food. Nae hun flag mind you.
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Post by: Tyrant on March 07, 2017, 03:35:18 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-europe-cornwall-funding-deserved-sneering-condescending-remainer-explode-a7612266.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-europe-cornwall-funding-deserved-sneering-condescending-remainer-explode-a7612266.html)

Interesting article and it was obvious that the folk in Cornwall were the first to buy into all the lies.  It's going to be a tough few decades for Cornwall.  I remember my girlfriend going into a handbag shop in St. Ives and she asked how she was going to cope with brexit.  The shop lady said it wouldn't make a difference, to which my g/f said, but you get all your handbags from Italy...Oh, replied the shop keeper...I hadn't thought of that...Cornwall has always heavily relied on EU funding.

Politics these days is so divisive, same happened in Scotland with the indyref and the same has obviously happened in trumptown with both sides firing shots left right and centre.  I find it incredulous that brexiteers state it's not right that those "remoaners" voice their dismay and frankly laugh at those who voted wrongly. Obviously I'm not saying either campaign was great, because it wasn't and reflected the stupidity of society today, but fuck me, this is a shite state of affairs. How do we fix it? Scotland has an option, not sure about the rest of the UK. Lambs to a slaughter.

Annoying getting telt to "get over it" and being accused of sour grapes etc isn't it? The same happened on September 19th 2014. Me and many many others recognised the chance to avoid all this nonsense. And when we dared voice our disappointment with the result all manner of dismissive nonsense was hurled in our direction. The people doing this surely cannot fully comprehend what happened or the opportunity that was missed. Or are they merely British nationalists telling Scottish nationalists that nationalism is bad? Nationalist shouldn't be a dirty word. Especially not in Scotland. Although in England nationalism is associated with right wing dos cuntery and spastics wanting to "take are country back from the muslamics"

We do have an option. And I hope to fuck common sense prevails over vague British nationalism and we make the sensible choice.

I wish to fuck SNP would announce an intention to disband in the event of a Yes vote. I get that they're not everyone's cup of tea. Although how the Tories are fucking anyone's cup of tea is beyond me. Other than elitist wannabes. If the SNP promised to disband in the event of achieving their ultimate goal I think it would really help. They can form new more specific parties. Be the same as SNP is currently for all I care. But it might get some of the militant anti SNP/Krankie etc folk on side.


Out of curiosity.. has anyone on here changed their mind on how they voted in 2014 and planning to vote different for Indyref2? Just wondering.
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Post by: Kowalski on March 07, 2017, 10:29:17 PM
The vote for Brexit was a vote against modern political systems. What we forgot was how divisive and sick Westminster actually is, ably supported by the presstitute media who should all be shot.

"Turkeys voting for Xmas"  :wave:
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Post by: Tyrant on March 13, 2017, 11:03:21 AM
Rumours of Indyref 2 being announced today.
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Post by: manc_don on March 13, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
Rumours of Indyref 2 being announced today.

I imagine the timing will coincide with the devil announcing that they're triggering Article 50 this week
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Post by: rocket_scientist on March 13, 2017, 12:22:15 PM
I imagine the timing will coincide with the devil announcing that they're triggering Article 50 this week

Cat already out the bag. Excellent performance by Sturgeon.

This is pure political opportunism and taking advantage of the sickness within, and the incompetence of the UK government.

We should not allow the media to ruin it this time. Time to take a lesson from Trump.
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Post by: manc_don on March 13, 2017, 01:57:11 PM
Cat already out the bag. Excellent performance by Sturgeon.

This is pure political opportunism and taking advantage of the sickness within, and the incompetence of the UK government.

We should not allow the media to ruin it this time. Time to take a lesson from Trump.

Absolutely, will be interesting to see how the devil takes it next week.  Question is, do you ask for it as soon as, or as it sounds like she's aiming for, waiting to see what the permutations are for the UK's deal with the EU to see what we can bargain with?
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Post by: rocket_scientist on March 13, 2017, 02:10:28 PM
Absolutely, will be interesting to see how the devil takes it next week.  Question is, do you ask for it as soon as, or as it sounds like she's aiming for, waiting to see what the permutations are for the UK's deal with the EU to see what we can bargain with?

This is the biggest fallacy that we've been spun by the Tories. Cameron pretended to go to Brussels to "negotiate" and came back with nothing. There is no deal to be had. We are leaving the EU and we're not paying for the unelected tertiary level of government any more. Love him or hate him, Nigel Farage has been right on this all along.
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Post by: RicoS321 on March 13, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
This is the biggest fallacy that we've been spun by the Tories. Cameron pretended to go to Brussels to "negotiate" and came back with nothing. There is no deal to be had. We are leaving the EU and we're not paying for the unelected tertiary level of government any more. Love him or hate him, Nigel Farage has been right on this all along.

Agreed, but there will still be a deal with the EU though. A trade deal. I suspect that is what Manc was referring to, rather than the pish that Cameron was on about.

Good use of the word tertiary though. Strictly Nigel was concerned about paying for the binary level of government. Will be interesting to see if we can rid ourselves of the binary government this time round. Pretty hopeful. Something tells me we'll get the same result again though, I just can't see the electorate being able to look beyond people screaming "the economy" and I doubt the SNP will broaden the case beyond that either. A huge opportunity for some progressive currency options and putting forward something very much worth voting for, instead of the shite they put forward at the last referendum. If we get independence, it'll be through the unimaginative narrow channel of political discussion that Trump and Farage took on and beat. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 13, 2017, 04:07:21 PM
https://youtu.be/Jo_-KoBiBG0
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Post by: rocket_scientist on March 13, 2017, 05:58:55 PM
Agreed, but there will still be a deal with the EU though. A trade deal. I suspect that is what Manc was referring to, rather than the pish that Cameron was on about.

I know that's what he was referring to. It couldn't be anything else. But right now in the House of Commons, they're talking in circles about "the deal". They don't actually know what they're talking about, there are no specifics, they haven't even articulated the headings.

We are still going to trade with Europe. Being in or out of the EU won't affect my European customers. I won't stop drinking European wine or stop driving European cars. Whisky will be sold to every part of Europe, as will Brewdog beer actually. They're not going to slap on unfair tariffs on imports and exports. It's all hot air. It's the European Parliament and it's corrupt institutions that the people voted against.

Alex Salmond on the floor just now. He just nailed it re the European citizens living here. He's still a great speaker. Now he just nailed it re WTO terms as default. He's just said what some of us knew all along. This talk about "a deal" with the EU is just a smokescreen and yet another political tool of a PM and a government that doesn't have a clue what it's doing.
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Post by: manc_don on March 16, 2017, 09:58:53 AM
Thank fuck Holland voted the right way last night.  VVD are increasingly right wing, probably had to be to ensure they didn't lose votes to the PVV (arsehole party).  I was genuinely concerned but it is further evidence of how the media / polls know fuck all about what's going to happen.  Some decent parties got reasonable figures so hopefully the coalition negotiations are too protracted.

Geert Wilders. Fuck me. What an arsehole.  At least the Dutch aren't daft like the English despite actually probably having more a legitimate border concern.  Don't get me wrong, the Dutch aren't liberal like their tourist office says and the results prove it, but i'm satisfied with this.
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Post by: RicoS321 on March 16, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
Interestingly, the PvdD - Pro animals party got 5 votes on a platform of promoting human-animal relations.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 16, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
Aye, well done the cloggies.
Hopefully thats a turn away from fascism that'll catch on.

I see the Dutch Green party has their post election bash at the Milky Way ( Melkweg)

That takes me back.
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Post by: manc_don on March 16, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
Aye, well done the cloggies.
Hopefully thats a turn away from fascism that'll catch on.

I see the Dutch Green party has their post election bash at the Milky Way ( Melkweg)

That takes me back.

Brilliant venue.

But I agree, hopefully (although I don't expect it to) will have that effect.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 16, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
1978


The last time I was in The Milky Way



Strangely enough, my memories are a bit hazy.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 16, 2017, 09:10:00 PM
On another topic, I fully expect to waken up tomorrow morning to the news that the English Chancellor of the Exchequer has resigned.

Anything else would be a bit embarrassing wouldn't it?
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Post by: Garlogie_Granite on March 31, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
The Mooth telt!

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/03/30/nicola-sturgeons-two-finger-salute-westminster-week-making-everyone-wish-scottish-video/
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Post by: Tyrant on March 31, 2017, 10:49:51 AM
Just me that doesn't see a working video on that link?
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 18, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
Cunthole making an announcement at 11:15 this morning. Rumours suggesting an election. If true, not quite sure why one didn't happen a few months back. They'll get voted straight back in like.
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 18, 2017, 11:12:47 AM
Aye, 8th June

The 3 girls round me at work didn't know to which party Theresa May belongs. Fuck.
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Post by: 1903_Redz on April 18, 2017, 12:03:59 PM
Cunthole making an announcement at 11:15 this morning. Rumours suggesting an election. If true, not quite sure why one didn't happen a few months back. They'll get voted straight back in like.

Obviously the Tory cunts feel as confident as you do that they'll get back in and unfortunately i do too... but only because of the state that Labour find them selves in. It must grate on May that she wasn't the one voted into power by the public.

What a state this country is in politically!  :'(
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Post by: TheDeeDon on April 18, 2017, 12:09:37 PM
Cunthole making an announcement at 11:15 this morning. Rumours suggesting an election. If true, not quite sure why one didn't happen a few months back. They'll get voted straight back in like.

They will be looking for an increased majority and the next few weeks will see a campaign of fear really ramped up by them to ensure they get it.

I am not sure as to how Scotland will vote. I am sure SNP will not repeat their success of 2015 and worried folk will vote for the tories as an alternative.  :-\

What a mess.
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 18, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
They will be looking for an increased majority and the next few weeks will see a campaign of fear really ramped up by them to ensure they get it.

I am not sure as to how Scotland will vote. I am sure SNP will not repeat their success of 2015 and worried folk will vote for the tories as an alternative.  :-\

What a mess.

I tend to agree. The SNP are running out of time politically. These things come in waves and their time will be up soon enough. They'd have been hoping for an indy ref before any general election, as any drop in seats will be advertised as failure and folk will buy it. They're about as high as they can get at the moment, the only way is down for them.

Labour have got no hope. Their policies will be completely ignored. Personality politics will win. They could promise perpetual free cocaine and strippers and that would be ignored.
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Post by: donsdaft on April 18, 2017, 02:57:27 PM
New party will burst onto the scene and we can continue to be European.


Let's face it, it's impossible for the SNP to do better than last time but it's a bit like beating someone 7-0 then moaning about only putting 4 past them the next time you play.
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 18, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
The only new party, will be a UKIP replacement funded by Arron Banks (which will just be UKIP). There's no time for an actual political party to be formed.

Haven't heard fae the SNP yet, but a quick regurgitation of May's message that people shouldn't be introducing elections before the electorate have a chance to see what Brexit has to offer will surely be the order of the day.

It's a pretty decisive move from the Tories like, with the SNP being their only real opposition I can see them going for Scotland pretty hard. England will take care of itself for them.
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 18, 2017, 03:35:10 PM
Also, given channel 4's tireless investigation into election spending, I'm surprised they're even allowed to stand in certain seats. This gives them ample opportunity to drop any candidates they think might lose a court case. Wonder if they've had a head's up they might have been forced into bi-elections?
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Post by: donsdaft on April 18, 2017, 04:06:31 PM
I think you might find there's a new party just been sitting waiting for this chance.



I've made all this up, I better be right.
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Post by: tom_widdows on April 18, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
I think you might find there's a new party just been sitting waiting for this chance.



I've made all this up, I better be right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtcbYTitMvo
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Post by: Ten Caat on April 18, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
SNP have no chance of ever repeating the 56 last time round. They'll drop to around 45 this time Tories will regain "traditional" Tory seats like Eastwood and Stirling etc gaining around 6 or 7 in total, Labour will win 2 or 3  and lib Dems might gain 1 or 2.

However its down south where Labour's total ineptitude and internal divisions where the Tories will wreak havoc and deliver a huge majority.

I remember Thatcher getting in 1979 and my old man saying not to worry they'd be lucky to last a full term. That worked out well.....and I suspect we are heading for a similar length if not longer of successive Tory administrations.

We need independence. But I do think that Sturgeon is going for it too soon. Lose this referendum coming up and we can really not expect to have another for at least another 25-30 years. Independence is inevitable in time.   I just think a referendum in 2018-19 is about 5 years too soon to guarantee a victory...
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Post by: mondo on April 18, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
SNP have no chance of ever repeating the 56 last time round. They'll drop to around 45 this time Tories will regain "traditional" Tory seats like Eastwood and Stirling etc gaining around 6 or 7 in total, Labour will win 2 or 3  and lib Dems might gain 1 or 2.

However its down south where Labour's total ineptitude and internal divisions where the Tories will wreak havoc and deliver a huge majority.

I remember Thatcher getting in 1979 and my old man saying not to worry they'd be lucky to last a full term. That worked out well.....and I suspect we are heading for a similar length if not longer of successive Tory administrations.

We need independence. But I do think that Sturgeon is going for it too soon. Lose this referendum coming up and we can really not expect to have another for at least another 25-30 years. Independence is inevitable in time.   I just think a referendum in 2018-19 is about 5 years too soon to guarantee a victory...

With all the scare mongering that came with Indy ref MKI I actually think Brexit will help the Indy cause.  Now all the brexit hype has calmed down people are seeing that it isn't just going to be an overnight thing where our passports are useless and our trade deals disappear.  They are seeing that there is a long time to pass for all the negotiations to take place and make it as seamless a transition as possible.

I think those that were on the fence for Indy MKI and took 'the safe' option by voting no will be comforted by this and may well pluck up the courage to change their votes.

I hope so anyway.
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Post by: InversneckieDob on April 18, 2017, 07:51:45 PM
SNP have no chance of ever repeating the 56 last time round. They'll drop to around 45 this time Tories will regain "traditional" Tory seats like Eastwood and Stirling etc gaining around 6 or 7 in total, Labour will win 2 or 3  and lib Dems might gain 1 or 2.

However its down south where Labour's total ineptitude and internal divisions where the Tories will wreak havoc and deliver a huge majority.


I think the Nats will hold up a wee bit better than that, but the 56 was a once in a lifetime thing.

I think the Liberals will make some inroads, but the stink of coalition is still on them.
I'd be disappointed if the Tories gained much, I could live with them tiing with the Pandas but beyond that would be disappointing.

But you're right I think Nurse Ratchid gets a majority of circa 60-75.
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Post by: donsdaft on April 18, 2017, 08:06:55 PM
I was a voice in the wilderness (much slagged) predicting a tory majority last time.

The donsdaft forecast this time...................hung parliament.........October election.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: InversneckieDob on April 18, 2017, 10:34:58 PM
I was a voice in the wilderness (much slagged) predicting a tory majority last time.

The donsdaft forecast this time...................hung parliament.........October election.
Canna see it Chief, I reckon Nurse Ratched gets a handy majority, Min 50, up to 75ish.
Hope you're right though.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on April 19, 2017, 12:19:48 AM
Can't see the tories taking any seats from the snp under fptp and I suspect the one they have in Scotland is on a shoogly peg. Mundel only won his seat by a few hundred votes as it was.
I'm not sure where Tories can really make gains down south, virtually all the labour seats are safe and the lib dems are more likely to recapture lost seats than lose any more to them. Far from increasing her majority May could lose it altogether.
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Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on April 19, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
I was a voice in the wilderness (much slagged) predicting a tory majority last time.

The donsdaft forecast this time...................hung parliament.........October election.

I remember when I lived in the Congo and the elections came around.

A split in votes was the outcome.





It was a well hung parliament.



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Post by: tlg1903 on April 19, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
There's a very interesting analysis of this over on wings, well worth a read regard less of your constitutional leaning.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/rushing-to-the-gallows/#more-93827
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Post by: Garlogie_Granite on April 20, 2017, 09:48:39 AM
SNP have no chance of ever repeating the 56 last time round. They'll drop to around 45 this time Tories will regain "traditional" Tory seats like Eastwood and Stirling etc gaining around 6 or 7 in total, Labour will win 2 or 3  and lib Dems might gain 1 or 2.

However its down south where Labour's total ineptitude and internal divisions where the Tories will wreak havoc and deliver a huge majority.

I remember Thatcher getting in 1979 and my old man saying not to worry they'd be lucky to last a full term. That worked out well.....and I suspect we are heading for a similar length if not longer of successive Tory administrations.

We need independence. But I do think that Sturgeon is going for it too soon. Lose this referendum coming up and we can really not expect to have another for at least another 25-30 years. Independence is inevitable in time.   I just think a referendum in 2018-19 is about 5 years too soon to guarantee a victory...
I was initially the same, but cold light of day, I just can't see that.

Dodgy seats for SNP - West ABZshire, Moray, Berwickshire. Not really seeing any more.

On the other side, the SNP will be piling in on Fluffy to get him ousted from his tiny majority, and Murray is far from safe in Edinburgh either. Can;t see the Liar losing northern isles, but again he has a wafer thin majority.

The over/under is 50.5, i'd be piling on over at this point.
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Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on April 21, 2017, 10:32:30 PM
Just everyone vote SNP, get no voters and non-believers tae fuck and sort our own mess out after all that.


We are probably the most inventive race that ever existed, yet we can't govern ourselves huh?

Go fucking figure...

 :hammer:


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 22, 2017, 09:58:19 AM



We are probably the most inventive race that ever existed,




Well, there no doubt that we punched well above our weight at one time  but I think you'll find that most countries have a golden age.

Let's leave the sense of superiority to our near neighbours and content ourselves with being an equal member of a modern world.









Then let's get rid of the weegies.





Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on April 22, 2017, 11:00:08 AM

Well, there no doubt that we punched well above our weight at one time  but I think you'll find that most countries have a golden age.

Let's leave the sense of superiority to our near neighbours and content ourselves with being an equal member of a modern world.









Then let's get rid of the weegies.

Equal my erse...we are fucking amazing.

Some weegies included  :surprised:

That's a celebration not a patronism.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on April 24, 2017, 10:04:35 AM
So, Farage versus Clegg in the French elections. Should be an interesting one in a couple of weeks. Le Pen will be hoping for a few more shootings between now and then to help her cause. Very interesting political times in the world. Every country experiencing a distinct lack of options and complete voter disenfranchisement. Can see our own election having a very low turn out.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 24, 2017, 10:15:42 AM
Vive La France






Nothing could be further from the truth, France has completely thrown out Facism as a possibility.

First the cloggies now the froggies.

Europe has said " up yours" to American and English Nationalist policies.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 26, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
JUst heard the tories expect to win 12 seats in Scotland in the JUne election.   :eek:

Are we really that stupid to vote for these chunts?  Can people not see through their lies about the economy.

Worrying news.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 26, 2017, 01:12:26 PM
Scots voters have a tendency towards stupidity.

Most of them will vote against having another vote.

Mind you, they might just not bother voting this time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 26, 2017, 02:45:56 PM
What's also amazing is that the Welsh seem to be veering towards voting for them despite having a massive increase in food banks etc...

I know the Welsh are stupid, but honestly?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 26, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Poverty is the only thing the tories have increased since coming to power in 2010 and cutting taxes for big business and the wealthy, which was to be expected, yet they are being portrayed as saviours, even though coming on for 10 years after the recession they are still preaching austerity and squeezing the living standards of millions whilst totally shitting on the really poor and disabled

Corbyn is going to go down as the new Michael Foot yet he speaks more sense than anyone.


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 26, 2017, 06:57:38 PM
Nae quite.

They gave up on the austerity plan, meaning wasted years struggling away.

You can see that Trump is going to try and engineer a boom which of course the English will copy.

Then it's just another countdown until the next bust.



Just one question, how come I never seem to benefit from the booms but I sure as hell feel the busts.












I've never been adverse to feeling busts ( just before someone else said it)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on April 27, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
Nae quite.

They gave up on the austerity plan, meaning wasted years struggling away.


Austerity for them is halted, doubt it even started though, the majority will still continue to suffer at their hands.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 27, 2017, 06:10:56 PM
I heard Boris being interviewed on Radio 4 this morning ( about 8.30 it's worth listening)

He's entertaining, I'll give him that, but anyone ever voting for him and his kind need their heids looking.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on April 29, 2017, 08:53:20 PM
I see the Eu are playing hardball with the cunt and saying they won't negotiate any trade deals until there are real and serious guarantees of its citizens. Good on them. Absolute disgrace that Eu nationals may be sent back despite some of them have lived and worked in the UK for years. May and her government should be coming hung out to dry for their attitude. Cunts. The lot of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 29, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
Of course that's what they voted for, to get rid of the foreigners.

So if we all believe in democracy then out they go
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 30, 2017, 08:31:04 AM
They want to leave the EU with no deal at all.
This is what this election is all about.

Of course they'll spin it to look like "They're ganging up on Britain "
But in actual fact the tories will take a typically English approach to dealing with johnnie foreigner and just try to tell them what the deal will be.

We can all do the type of "I want" speech delivered earlier in the year by hatchet face.
Hopefully, the rest of us were all brought up properly to understand that just shouting "I want" in a louder voice didn't work.

Her speaches are getting more and more absurd.

I want it to be xmas everyday
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on April 30, 2017, 10:47:19 AM
I see the Eu are playing hardball with the cunt and saying they won't negotiate any trade deals until there are real and serious guarantees of its citizens. Good on them. Absolute disgrace that Eu nationals may be sent back despite some of them have lived and worked in the UK for years. May and her government should be coming hung out to dry for their attitude. Cunts. The lot of them.

Absolutely.

And if anyone should be trying to drive a car through that fuckhole building full of twisted perverted cunts, it should be a Scotsman.


Oh and Teresa...Britain and the U.k. Is NOT A FUCKINGGGGGGG COUNTRYYYYYYYYYYYY.


WANKER
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 01, 2017, 07:50:23 AM
Macron is now saying that the EU must change and that if it doesn't, he will lead France to a Frexit.

Marine has openly declared she wants out.

Britain, and Farage in particular, opened the door. It's just a matter of time until it gets smashed up.

So what was Salmond and now Sturgeon not seeing?

Scotland have some spectacular capacities to embarrass people of reasonable intelligence and robust integrity. Playing politics by taking a stance the polar opposite to middle England irrespective of what the policy might be isn't leadership nor having a vision. It's the lowest form of populism. The SNP are muppets. The only thing I have in common with them is independence.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 01, 2017, 08:00:47 AM
Bollocks

Macron is as pro European as I am.

Of course things have to change, it's far too bureaucratic for a start.

Hopefully the youngsters think more European than the oldies, just have to wait for the oldies to die off ( they're taking their fucking time)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 01, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
The problem with remainers and those who concede that the EU needs to change is that they don't understand what the EU actually is. It's not bureaucratic failings. It's the whole ethos of the unelected bastards and their institutional support structure that robs people of jobs and dignity whilst putting excessive wealth into the hands of a tiny few. Greece has been fucked over but the youth unemployment in Spain and Italy is frightening. "Terror" has been engineered by socially engineered division. Kristalnacht II isn't far away but this time it will be the Arabs rather than the Jews in Europe who will suffer.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 01, 2017, 08:22:46 AM
Unelected as in a royal family, or a house of lords with bishops in it or just normal unelected as in being appointed by someone who has been elected?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 01, 2017, 08:25:00 AM
Anyway, Happy May Day to you all.

Masses of stuff on here today.

In tory Britain though it will be a day to shop in Asda or the garden centre.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 01, 2017, 06:45:50 PM
Well that was a good day.
I cannae say I've ever been a fan of formula 1 and was just about to text that I couldn't believe the crowds when one went past.

Fuck sake they can get up to quite a lick on a straight road can't they.

Anyway it was on from that to loads of other stuff, everywhere I went had a holiday atmosphere.


I hope Asda was good.










Edit:  I apologise in advance for this post but, as part of Europe, why the fuck does Scotland only ever compare itself with England?

Being European has so many advantages but as usual we will listen to the English.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 01, 2017, 06:48:00 PM
https://twitter.com/i/moments/858943560594235393 (https://twitter.com/i/moments/858943560594235393)

May's Britain.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 01, 2017, 06:56:49 PM
Aye, she's determined to just turn her back.
Her negotiating position will be that we don't owe them a penny and that they are dammed lucky we want to trade with them at all.

Now, what I want to know is why I haven't seen her pro remain speech ( before the referendum) over and over again.

What's going on there?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on May 01, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
Donsdaft

Why would the people of the Country of the UK do celebratory things and enjoy themselves when its easier to play the playstation and smoke a joint

Or moan about nothing.

Or do the garden

Or watch some BBC propaganda

Or go to the pub on a sunny day

Or just be depressed in general

:)

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 02, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
I do love Ian Hislop:

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/29/ian-hislop-stuns-the-panel-by-calling-out-bbc-bias-straight-to-the-broadcasters-face-video/ (https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/29/ian-hislop-stuns-the-panel-by-calling-out-bbc-bias-straight-to-the-broadcasters-face-video/)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Elgindon on May 02, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
 ...on a similar theme,heres some Diane Abbott     :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rneBbKrVE7A
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on May 02, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Abbott is thick as fuck and incapable of any leadership role. But the nature and intensity of the coverage over this has been incredible. Yes it was a massive gaffe by a stupid woman but where are the investigative journalists to expose the profiteering by the PM's husband, both historically and since Brexit? What's the bigger offence?

Thatcher's Dennis made piles of cash from the EU in his salmon farm investments in Scotland (as well as breaking certain toxicology rules) and that wifie on QT didn't get sued (nor did the journos follow up on it) when she said Sandra Cameron's father was the biggest beneficiary of EU handouts for wind farm technology so are we to just accept that a perk of the job is to misuse the public position for private gain? Is it sheer coincidence that former ruling party cabinet members and former PM's just walk into earnings more than twenty times more than their annual salaries whilst in public office? Doesn't anyone want to seek the correlation? Well of course they can't because the media owners are complicit and an integral part of the systematic establishment corruption.

Abbott's stupidity today could be a fatal blow for Corbyn. He's the stupid fuck who appointed the thick fat fuck.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on May 02, 2017, 11:53:37 PM
Yep, she's fucked up. But it could so easily have been nipped in the bud. She could have just said, "hold on a second, my mind's gone blank, let me have a little think", paused, took a drink or whatever and gathered her thoughts. The point that is ignored is that the policy is quite sound (if you want more police, which I don't), the numbers were correct in the policy and the costing met. That is the only thing that matters. Not whether or not some random wifie has remembered her lines correctly. It's not fucking dragon's den. Personality politics once again.

The problem they have is that there wasn't a clamour from other labour politicians to defend her. Which says more about the party than it does her. The Tories would have dealt with it quickly and aggressively. Although it wouldn't have made the news if that incompetent fuckwit May had said it.

They have no option to ditch her though.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 05, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
Who the fuck is voting for Conservatives?!  ???

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on May 05, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
Who the fuck is voting for Conservatives?!  ???

Going by the interviewers stationed in Wales a fair chunk are people who 'don't like Jeremy Corbyn'

It is an interesting logic to take. I don't like the laid back old bloke so ill vote for the party who is openly destroying every socialist ideal the UK ever had.
Just reminds me of the Welshies they interviewed after the EU Referendum who's attitude was essentially 'The EU has paid for our new roads, schools, leisure centres etc but enough is enough. It's time we put out faith in the Conservatives'
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on May 05, 2017, 01:02:28 PM
Who the fuck is voting for Conservatives?!  ???

Exactly what I was thinking.

So basically after 7 years of cuts to everything which have an affect of the everyday lives of most people such as the NHS, Education, etc  whilst cutting taxes for higher earners/business, the tories appear more popular than ever. It's like the 80s all over again. Will we ever learn?

I'm not sure if it is they are popular or if people have just stopped voting, making them look more popular than they actually are, which I suspect may be the case.

Once they win next months election and increase their majority they will really go to town.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on May 05, 2017, 01:05:51 PM
When it's coming out of shitholes like Paisley that Tories are making gains it can only be the proddy element shitting themselves about independence. None of them have a clue about actual Conservative politics.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 05, 2017, 01:48:34 PM
Sturgeon's legacy: a resurgent Tory party in Scotland  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: BobbyBiscuit on May 05, 2017, 01:52:00 PM
When it's coming out of shitholes like Paisley that Tories are making gains it can only be the proddy element shitting themselves about independence. None of them have a clue about actual Conservative politics.

Not just Paisley, but Ferguslie Park (aka Fegie), the most deprived area of Paisley. 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 05, 2017, 02:14:34 PM
It's just huns voting for union jack's


Wankers the lot of them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on May 05, 2017, 02:45:30 PM
Sturgeon's legacy: a resurgent Tory party in Scotland  :hammer:
Well no, as the SNP continue to do well, I'd suggest it's idiots like Murphy and Dugdale who have totally lost touch with their voters who've let the Mooth grab disaffected voters.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Elgindon on May 05, 2017, 06:28:19 PM
 Diane Abbot doesnt seem to have learned from her gaffe the other day.I almost feel sorry for the silly cow,but theres a bit of a witchunt for her now.She needs to be ditched Asap.If she spent less time trying to sound knowledgable,she might actually have become ..er knowledgeable

  Think some of the Tory gains in Scotland last night were more about the blue rinse brigade getting out in numbers to give the SNP a 'no referendum' bloody nose?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on May 05, 2017, 07:43:44 PM
As I said a couple of weeks back I fully expect "traditional" Tory seats in Perthshire, Borders and well to do suburbs of Edinburgh and Glasgow to revert to type and leave the SNP with around 45-48 seats in the general election.

Labour is now a busted flush and I think after their inevitable annihilation Tony Blair will surface to form and lead a new centre left party which will eventually replace labour as the main opposition south of the border.

I wholeheartedly agree that its not those voting Conservative up here that are the problem. It must be patently obvious to Scottish labour voters that their vote is not only wasted, but indeed will contribute directly to the Tories increasing their representation up here and that the only solution to avoiding a whole generation of successive Tory governments is to go down the independence route.

Sadly I fear that these so called  socialists would far rather 30 years of Conservatism than take the brave option
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on May 06, 2017, 12:04:58 AM
I never ever thought I'd say this but it's come to the point where so many Scots disgust me.

I always thought there were utter erseholes but the amount of Scots who believe in utter fucking pish is staggering.

How can any Scot can believe in Britishness , the Tories, Westminster , the royals, unity with England and wave a Union Jack ?

How can any Scot not believe that their own country is capable of governing itself (in or out of a European Union)???

It would bring a guy to tears in disbelief.

I'm so proud to be Scottish still but it's only to do with traditions , the beauty of our country, the remarkable inventions, the history, the accent and the humour.

Everything else can fuck off.

I'm so glad I live in another country and I even admire their pride and loyalty to their own.im even jealous sometimes that I can't join in on their 'love-ins'.

You wear a Scotland flag and a kilt and have a few drinks, you're automatically classed as some pervert who flashes, gets drunk and pisses in someone's doorstep.


Scotland needs a huge change. In its people, it's beliefs and it's politics.

Sadly, it'll never happen due to ignorant religious bigots, Britishness and the staunch belief in the old empire, the BBC propaganda and basic old timers passing down their stories of unionism and fighting in the wars 60 years ago.

We have tiny country syndrome and too many social complexities.

 :'(
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: PompeyDon on May 06, 2017, 06:54:45 AM
Agree with a lot of this.  Scotland has a choice, go independent, remain in EU (or at the very least the Single Market) and become a modern, progressive European nation, or go down the shitter with the rest of the UK under the idiocy that is Brexit.  Sadly, I think Scotland will choose the latter option.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 06, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
Stuff this single market nonsense.
Don't allow them to water it down, I'm a citizen of Europe and no hatchet faced tory bitch is taking that away from me.


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 06, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
As for the Scots...........
Don't trust the cowardly bastards.

I remember my first great political disappointment when we voted not to have a devolved government.

What we take for granted now was portrayed as practically the end of the world.

I don't think I was even 18  but had grown up in particularly Nationalistic and pro independence times so I thought the result was a fore gone conclusion.

I know we voted for and that Maggie stuck her oar in with her minimum percentage shite but the result was a major major shock to me.

Give a take a few thousand votes, a third voted for, a third voted against ( god save the queen) and worst of all, a third didn't bother to vote at all.



Tell the average Scot that some policy will cost/ save £100 a year and you will have bought their vote.

Twas always such.



 
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 06, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
I'm so proud to be Scottish still but it's only to do with traditions , the beauty of our country, the remarkable inventions, the history, the accent and the humour.


I'm sorry min but I'm going to have to ask you to explain yourself here.


Traditions... What?  pipe bands and haggis.
Please don't say New Year

Beauty.....Geologically diverse enough and there's no doubt that there are many beautiful parts.
I've done a fair bit of hillwalking in my time, I understand the surge of pride you can get looking at the view from the top of Lochnagar etc.
However, I stopped reading the Sunday Post a long time ago, I now realise that Scotland is not the only country with hills.
When it comes to man made beauty then I'm afraid Scotland is way way down the list.
How many truly pretty towns do we have like Banchory compared to utter shiteholes like Denny?

Remarkable Inventions.......I won't argue too much here, Scotland has punched above it's weight in the past.
A lot of it is in the past though and, when looked into, most other European countries have their proud list of innovators too.
Scots have also played important roles in many high places around the world.
Scotland is not necessarily an insular country.

The History........ Money grabbing and back stabbing.

THE ACCENT???.......By the way, big man but.
A girl with a glaswegian accent is an abomination.

The humour.........Good but not any better than anywhere else. The English have a great sense of humour so I wouldn't put ours as any better than theres.
Modern shite American infuenced TV is destroying sense of humour everywhere.



As you say, everything else can fuck off.


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 08, 2017, 07:36:21 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_PzlzCW0AI-Pg8.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_PzlzDWAAMSzHC.jpg)

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Farage is absolutely gutted too, this is brilliant.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on May 08, 2017, 09:05:51 AM
As much as I would like to gut Farage I sure he knew what the vote would be when the French voted a fortnight ago.

He can console himself with his French mistress ( much to the annoyance of his German wife)


So, that's the French, the Dutch and even the Austrians all voted for reasonable center ground politics.

Only the Yanks have voted Facist, I wonder what the English will vote for?


The Scots?
They'll just be happy to do what the English think is best.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 31, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Jeremy Corbyn has just announced he's taking part in tonight's debate.  Now it's only May who looks like the fanny she is.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on May 31, 2017, 08:17:42 PM
Jeremy Corbyn has just announced he's taking part in tonight's debate.  Now it's only May who looks like the fanny she is.

He's doing quite well however it's a rabble - where's David Dimbleby to keep order?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on May 31, 2017, 09:38:21 PM
He's doing quite well however it's a rabble - where's David Dimbleby to keep order?

Was very shout (the whole evening) but I thought him, Angus and Tim farron came across well. I like the welshie too, but didn't get much opportunity tonight. Amber rudd came across as an idiot. rightly so.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 01, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
The green wifie was the best of them all.

I want to hear from someone who will vote conservative as to why they will be doing so?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 01, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
The green wifie was the best of them all.

Agreed. Shame they're not standing in my area.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on June 02, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Agreed. Shame they're not standing in my area.
:rofl:

No one believes you. You'd never vote for a pro indy party.  :wave:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 02, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
:rofl:

No one believes you. You'd never vote for a pro indy party.  :wave:

This is not a Holyrood election in case you weren't aware.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 02, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
Maybots interview with the Plymouth Herald, completely embarrassing:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18765860_1369283063165202_6177662958198999075_n.jpg?oh=8e610451d19455b7606cc7ffaa78ec42&oe=59E4617C)

I guess they are strong and stable responses, albeit the same words said differently, every, single, time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 02, 2017, 09:47:15 PM
Some of the crowd on bbc qt should be sent to jail. Horrible, horrible people. Cannot believe that people like that still exist. Hopefully they choke on a crumpet.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 03, 2017, 10:06:36 AM
Some of the crowd on bbc qt should be sent to jail. Horrible, horrible people. Cannot believe that people like that still exist. Hopefully they choke on a crumpet.

Watched about ten minutes of it. It was weird. I only briefly check the tabloids these days, but the people in the audience were genuinely frightened of us being blown up by Iran and North Korea. Where the fuck does that shite come from? They all clearly thought that Trident was a huge issue. Far bigger than it actually is. And most seemed like they were more than happy to nuclear bomb another country - even preemptively. Fucking bizarre like. They kept going on about a "red button" too, fucking retards. Will you press the red button Jeremy? Will you? I wish he'd properly put them in their place. A bit weak I thought, he should have properly confronted them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 05, 2017, 08:55:28 PM
http://whothefuckshouldivotefor.com/ (http://whothefuckshouldivotefor.com/)

 ;D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
Well, that was the weirdest election campaign.

Clearly meant to be a victory procession for the Tories, that arsehole Teresa May ends up looking like she is about to burst into tears and skirling about getting rid of human rights.
Unless she ends up with a 25+ majority then she is out anyway.
Boris still waiting in the wings?

Jeremy Corbyn has done much better than anyone could have expected, helped by a really good manifesto.
Dianne Abbot on the other hand has ended up locking herself in her bedroom and refusing to come out from under the covers.
Which is just as well because she is a useless cow.
Fuck knows what the future for Corbyn is?
Either he's Prime Minister, Leader of the opposition in a hung parliament or he's out on his arse.

That chinless wonder who's leader of the Liberals is out whatever he does.

Scottish politics has just become Huns versus non Huns.


The only leader still standing after Thursday could well be Nicola Sturgeon.


I'm going to stick with my prediction from last year of a hung parliament in the spring ( ok, early summer) and another election in October.

However, beware the auld wifie.

More and more, voting is split by age.







As the wifie in her 90's said to me ( before the brexit vote)

"I'm voting out because I don't want to be raped, and the police are not allowed to arrest immigrants if they rape you.)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 07, 2017, 09:31:49 AM
Well, that was the weirdest election campaign.

Clearly meant to be a victory procession for the Tories, that arsehole Teresa May ends up looking like she is about to burst into tears and skirling about getting rid of human rights.
Unless she ends up with a 25+ majority then she is out anyway.
Boris still waiting in the wings?

Jeremy Corbyn has done much better than anyone could have expected, helped by a really good manifesto.
Dianne Abbot on the other hand has ended up locking herself in her bedroom and refusing to come out from under the covers.
Which is just as well because she is a useless cow.
Fuck knows what the future for Corbyn is?
Either he's Prime Minister, Leader of the opposition in a hung parliament or he's out on his arse.

That chinless wonder who's leader of the Liberals is out whatever he does.

Scottish politics has just become Huns versus non Huns.


The only leader still standing after Thursday could well be Nicola Sturgeon.


I'm going to stick with my prediction from last year of a hung parliament in the spring ( ok, early summer) and another election in October.

However, beware the auld wifie.

More and more, voting is split by age.







As the wifie in her 90's said to me ( before the brexit vote)

"I'm voting out because I don't want to be raped, and the police are not allowed to arrest immigrants if they rape you.)

Corbyn confirmed that Abbot is stepping down this morning  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 10:00:03 AM
Well that'll help.


However, getting rid of human rights will prove a popular move.  :dunno:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 07, 2017, 12:24:30 PM
Well that'll help.


However, getting rid of human rights will prove a popular move.  :dunno:

Aye, You know they are going to use the recent terrorists attacks to take away rights once they increase their majority tomorrow. It is easy to use Human Rights as a scapegoat for lots of things, especially the current terrorist attacks and makes good reading for the UKIPpers who lap that sort of shite up, whilst ignoring the fact that severe cuts to the budgets the departments charged with looking after national security are really to blame.

I don't think the tories will do as well as they first though when they called the election, I predict they will do in Scotland though, which is a sickening thought, but will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 12:31:59 PM
They may well increase their vote but how many seats do you think they'll get.

0 - 3 ?




I'm away to look out my banner that says
I'm a human, no rights for me please.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 07, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
Aye, we just need to hope that there is a high turn out in this vote.  If that's the case, there is no way the tories will get back in.  It's the reason we left Europe, it's the reason why we even have a tory government.  I really hope England has finally woken up to the fact that they are cunts.

 :-\
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on June 07, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
Canna see the Tories not winning unfortunately. It's just a case of by how much.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 02:28:25 PM
We haven't left Europe.

We won't leave Europe
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 07, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
They may well increase their vote but how many seats do you think they'll get.

0 - 3 ?




I'm away to look out my banner that says
I'm a human, no rights for me please.

I'm predicting they will win Banff & Buchan and cling onto Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting the SNP will lose Ross, Skye & Lochaber back to the Lib Dems
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 07, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
I'm predicting they will win Banff & Buchan and cling onto Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting the SNP will lose Ross, Skye & Lochaber back to the Lib Dems

I reckon the tories will take 5-7 seats in Scotland and I also predict Labour to win back a few. Reckon the SNP will return less than 40, which would still be a hell of a result.

I predicted, along with DOnsdaft, that the tories would get a majority in 2015,  but my Scottish predictions that day were honking.

I really would consider leaving the country if that tory cunts win by a huge majority, don't reckon they will though, I hope!  People can't be that stupid...  :-\
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
You were doing fine, up until that last sentence.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 07, 2017, 07:14:10 PM
Let's just take a moment to feel sorry for MP's

I presume the majority of them believe in what they stand for and try to do a decent job for their constituents.

Tomorrow they could lose their job, be voted out by people who literally don't have a clue.

I don't mean that they have a different opinion, just folk who are voting for something completely unconnected like park and ride ( I've seen this happen)




Or the sort of people who stand smoking in my doorway waiting for their bussie and say "should have gone to specsavers" 148 times one after another.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 08, 2017, 09:33:32 AM
 ;D

https://www.facebook.com/bbcthree/?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/bbcthree/?fref=nf)

Have to say, BBC3 have done a brilliant job with this, UK election Anchorman styli  :rofl:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 08, 2017, 10:56:23 AM
Is that the right link? Looks like a link to a gay facebook page or something?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 08, 2017, 11:04:50 AM
Is that the right link? Looks like a link to a gay facebook page or something?

Aye, you have scroll down to the right video...

I've found the youtube link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGPEDMOhko
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on June 08, 2017, 11:07:59 AM
Is that the right link? Looks like a link to a gay facebook page or something?

 :rofl:

BBC3 is the best in the series I believe.


Lolz
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Post by: RicoS321 on June 08, 2017, 01:48:21 PM
Nice one Manc. Pretty decent like.
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Post by: donsdaft on June 08, 2017, 08:24:59 PM
Well, is it going to be a long night, or will it be a case of sleeping in a bad mood by about 2.00?

I'm never going to get the jist of this democracy thing, I saw a bloke yesterday say that he had always voted Labour but would change this time because he liked Teresa May.


That's a case for the loony bin surely?

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 08, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
The TV people appear to have interviewed a few of those types and I couldn't work out whether they were either a) lying or b) paid to say that.

I cannot for one instance understand why you spend fundamentally change your ideology. Especially for the worse. That makes you a spineless cretin of a person.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 08, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
It is a bit like saying that your three favourite statemen of all time were Ghandi, Lenin and Hitler.




But then, we're talking about a nation that accepts monarchy.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 08, 2017, 10:02:57 PM
Hung parliament. Holy shit balls
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 08, 2017, 10:03:02 PM
BBC exit poll usually pretty close to the actual results.
Theyve predicted no big majority for Tories but the largest party. Labour up. SNP down. Lib Dems up (just!).
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 08, 2017, 10:12:37 PM
Would be great if labour could claw a bit more on the pricks.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 08, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
Hatchet face out, whichever way you look at it.

October election in the offing?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 08, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Hatchet face out, whichever way you look at it.

October election in the offing?

Yep. She's made a right James Hunt of this  ;D

SNP prediction seems low. I'm wondering if it's not just Tories that are suspected to be taking seats off then.
Salmond to lose his seat!!  :o
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 08, 2017, 10:20:36 PM
Yeah, horrible looking wifie that Teresa May.  Reminds me of some horrible looking headmistress or a High Court judge.

David Cameron at least was leadership material and had a leadership aura but his decision to do EU referendum cost him his job.  Teresa May be going same way as Cameron - no expert or even interested in politics but I would guess she would have to resign if she gets no majority - no?  Milliband was just a posh berk that even younger people could not identify with.  Seems younger people (people with serious gripes about student loans, housing etc) REAL ISSUES may have made a statement to May.

This country is away to head into a massive period of uncertainty if this exit poll mularky is true.  Only thing certain is if Lib Dems go into partnership with Teresa May to form a govt then that guy (whatever his name is at Lib Dems) god help him.
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Post by: BobbyBiscuit on June 08, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
Hung parliament. Holy shit balls

Inflate the Tories seats - no one ever admits to voting for those cunts.


David Cameron at least was leadership material and had a leadership aura but his decision to do EU referendum cost him his job.  Teresa May be going same way as Cameron

Cameron was a slimeball. Both of them are right of the right; horrible bastards.  Cameron was just better media-trained, same horrible ideals behind it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 08, 2017, 10:36:12 PM
Inflate the Tories seats - no one ever admits to voting for those cunts.

Cameron was a slimeball. Both of them are right of the right; horrible bastards.  Cameron was just better media-trained, same horrible ideals behind it.

Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of David Cameron or the Conservative party or any elite Oxbridge Eton type or a fan of any partisan political Party to be honest but I would guess any politician could see he (Cameron) at least was leadership material.  Even Nicola Surgeon said he was.

but from I just saw on TV a similar scenario existed in May 2010 and a coalition was formed between Lib Dems and Conservative.  From what I guess if Teresa May has called an election and lost out on gaining a majority she may have no option but to step aside leaving the way for Sturgeon, Corbyn and this other fella and probably throw in Sein Fein as well (according to Frankie Boyle).



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Post by: Kowalski on June 08, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
No chance the Lib Dems will prop up the Tories, absolutely no chance.

If anyone props them up it'll be the DUP.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 08, 2017, 10:49:49 PM
No chance the Lib Dems will prop up the Tories, absolutely no chance.

If anyone props them up it'll be the DUP.

Given the state of NI with regard to brexit, I don't think DUP's seats will make fuck all difference.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 08, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Ok.  I'm just repeating parallels spoken about by BBC (2010 election had similar outcome) that election led to Lib Dems/Con coalition approach which led to the student fees fiasco.

Frankie Boyle made a pun on TV as to 'Sinn Fein MP's' joining a Corbyn coalition.  I suspect such an outcome was a joke given the impact it would have on Ireland 'question'.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 08, 2017, 11:47:59 PM
Feck. 3 results in and the pundits are distancing themselves from the exit poll  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 12:04:12 AM
Feck. 3 results in and the pundits are distancing themselves from the exit poll  :hammer:

Makes little difference what they say. The turnout looks a little higher than normal so far, but that'll probably only be a good thing for Labour.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 09, 2017, 01:55:16 AM
First Scottish Tory Gain - Angus.  ::)

At least it has been offset by them losing a welsh seat
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 09, 2017, 02:24:05 AM
Make that 2 - Moray  ::)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 05:25:01 AM
Fuck, you go to sleep for 5 minutes and Scotland betrays you again.

Ach well, another shottie soon.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 09, 2017, 06:44:57 AM
Well, much better than expected, especially now a hung parliament has been confirmed. Shocked to see so many tory gains in Scotland, what the fuck is wrong with you up there!?! Glad to see we managed to kick the tory out in my local area, London showing that it has sense and marking a general shift against the tories. May must be greetin  :rofl:
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Post by: BigAl on June 09, 2017, 06:56:50 AM
Well, much better than expected, especially now a hung parliament has been confirmed. Shocked to see so many tory gains in Scotland, what the fuck is wrong with you up there!?! Glad to see we managed to kick the tory out in my local area, London showing that it has sense and marking a general shift against the tories. May must be greetin  :rofl:

Pretty much anyone against IndyRef2 had no option other than vote Tory, so one simple reason for their gains in my opinion.
Generally strange election night, with certainly more losers than winners. Reckon actually Labour is only party that has to be happy with their UK wide performance
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 09, 2017, 08:45:57 AM
Well, much better than expected, especially now a hung parliament has been confirmed. Shocked to see so many tory gains in Scotland, what the fuck is wrong with you up there!?!

This is all Sturgeon's fault IMHO.  The other parties have jumped on her rhetoric and hammered it home.

A sad day when I now live in a Tory seat!  :hammer:

However, it's fucking hilarious to see Salmond punted.  Done very little for his constituency other than turn up for many free buffets.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on June 09, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
Pretty much anyone against IndyRef2 had no option other than vote Tory, so one simple reason for their gains in my opinion.

I think many voted for Labour in order to try and defeat the Tories at Westminister.  Corbyn has done well and they have recovered a bit in Scotland.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 08:51:24 AM
The last thing the SNP wanted was to call another referendum, but after the English decided they wanted to go back to the days of empire there was little option.

I don't like to take things down to personalities but I'm prepared to make an execption in this case.


KEEP BUBBLiN YOU HATCHET FACED BITCH, YOU FUCKED THAT UP BIG STYLE.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
Aye, we'll find out later, but I reckon Scotland has saved May's airse here. I think she has just enough to retain her position until things calm down a little. A swing of 6 or 7 seats back to the SNP (or Labour) from Tory would have seen her position completely untenable. As it stands, she'll manage to throw together a government of some sort.

Two things really, the announcement of Indy Ref 2 was - in hindsight - an error. However, it was completely the correct decision given that there was no suggestion of an election at the time it was announced, so it's only in hindsight that it looks bad. A calculation that went wrong after the event really.

Secondly, at the risk of sounding patronising (and just being wrong..), I think the people of Scotland have misunderstood the Westminster elections slightly. It's purely a vote to say who represents you in the UK parliament, rather than the candidate who is going to improve your daily life via representation at Holyrood. The question is, or should be, are you best represented at Westminster by an SNP candidate or a Tory one? My opinion is that someone like Alex Salmond would be more likely to challenge the government of the day at Westminster over a Tory person who will simply be a messenger from parliament back to the people of the North East. Only if your views entirely align with those of the Tories, and indeed Theresa May, should you have voted Tory. To me, the Tory vote was a good way to give the SNP a bloody nose, and I think that the electorate has chosen the wrong time to do that (although I fully understand why, given the lack of options prior to a potential Independence Referendum).

In light of this, I think May has actually come out of this - in the long term - okay. Or at the very least the Tories have. With the absolute backing of the press, they'll re-build in time for the next election and they'll get enough backing to cobble through a brexit negotiation that is only slightly toned down from before (indeed, it'll end up being the type of Brexit that the Cameron/Osborne side of the party would have gone for). Meanwhile, they've effectively staved off the UK constitutional questions for some time. In the cold light of day, I think they'll take it. In fact, the only hope of anything alternative to this is if the internal Tory party brings her/it down, which is probably their biggest threat ironically.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 09:26:14 AM
Oh, she's finished, don't doubt it for one moment.
They may try to keep there there for a while but watch out for the strings, they'll be quite noticeable.

This whole bloody thing stems from infighting in the Tory party.
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Post by: baggy89 on June 09, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
Biggest down turn in the local NE economy since the last time the Tory's were in power, and the people of the North East save the Tory scum by keeping them in power???

I think there may be a new analogy to replace the Turkey/Christmas one.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 09:56:19 AM
It was the chance of getting rid of human rights that made the difference.

We didn't want to turn down a chance like that.

Human rights are for poofs
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 10:30:52 AM
Tories and DUP it is then. Hopefully the Quine tells thon pair of hun cunts to get fucked and state that she's decided to take over instead. That'd set the cat among them.
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Post by: baggy89 on June 09, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
Tories and DUP it is then. Hopefully the Quine tells thon pair of hun cunts to get fucked and state that she's decided to take over instead. That'd set the cat among them.

Surprised at that, wonder what compromises are being made?
I understand the DUP are essentially NI Tories but they want a separate NI within the UK, as their main political agenda. How does that fit with Tory "hard brexit"? and the resulting shit that will created in Ireland as a whole. Are they needing Teresa to build a wall???
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 09, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
Disappointed that the NE of Scotland has voted for THEM.

Interesting to see what will happen with Labour. Corbyn did bloody well considering he was up against the right wing press and a lot of his own party. I did notice the attacks on him, from the Labour Party, stopped a little in the run up, but where do they go from here. I would like to see Corbyn keep going and try and rebuild the party.

I think the SNP did well enough, they were never going to repeat 2015. Just so sad to see THEM get the support from Scotland which has handed, a power of sorts, to May, who really shouldn't be in a job after this fiascoof her own making.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on June 09, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
No Scot votes Tory period.

Cunts should, Scottish shouldnt.

And just another reminder to May and any other unionist:

STOP FUCKING CALLING THE U.K. A COUNTRY !!!


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on June 09, 2017, 01:29:25 PM
" the will of the British people"
????

Scotland didnt vote for Brexit you fucking whore!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on June 09, 2017, 02:19:44 PM
" the will of the British people"
????

Scotland didnt vote for Brexit you fucking whore!

No, but they voted for her in this election so by proxy, they voted for Brexit. Idiots.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on June 09, 2017, 03:39:08 PM
In the cold light of day, 35 is still a great result for the SNP, Lib-Dems and Tories must be besides themselves. As for Ukip  :rofl:

Very sad to see my constituency MP, who was an excellent hard worker gone. Incredible that some of the strongest voices at Westminster have gone, Salmond, Robertson, Tasmina, John Nicholson. Makes ye wonder.  :dunno:

But worst of all, we've been going through two years of the worst downturn the north east has seen in 40 years, with no help at all coming out of Westminster, and what do *we* do, vote them in in seats theyve note held in decades or indeed ever.

Fucking disgusted with some of my neighbours today.

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Post by: bearsdenred on June 09, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
Totally disgusted by the vote up here in Scotland. So much so, think its high time to seriously start looking at leaving the UK. How any SCOT could vote tories to keep that bitch in power and to vote for a rape clause disgusts me totally. This isnt your normal central belt scum either voting them but supposed to be educated people all over.

Would be nice to see the break down of age/wealth who voting for that blue fucking team last night.

Donald Dewar must be turning in his grave seeing these results come in last night. Do the people of Scotland not fucking remember the poll tax? or the closure of ravenscraig.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 05:32:54 PM
It's entirely understandable though isn't it? A lot of people in the North East didn't want independence. It's FPTP. Ergo, vote for Tory. It was either a tactical masterstroke to take the SNP out of the game by calling the election after the announcement of IndyRef2 around Brexit time, or just luck in timing. Either way, the SNP were caught out by it, and folk who didn't want another referendum were left with little option.

DUP though? Thon's a fucked up bunch of cunts. Given the result of the election, it's absurd that the Tories are shacking up with a party that's further to the right of them. That's a little out of the spirit of things I'd say, that's certainly not the mandate they were given.
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Post by: Kowalski on June 09, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
It's entirely understandable though isn't it? A lot of people in the North East didn't want independence. It's FPTP. Ergo, vote for Tory. It was either a tactical masterstroke to take the SNP out of the game by calling the election after the announcement of IndyRef2 around Brexit time, or just luck in timing. Either way, the SNP were caught out by it, and folk who didn't want another referendum were left with little option.

Absolutely. I never voted Tory (or SNP) but what happened does not surprise me. The SNP have fucked up by calling for an indyref2.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 09, 2017, 06:23:29 PM
My understanding was that people in certain places (Banff, Buchan, Peterhead, Fraserburgh) have voted against SNP via Conservatives as they want to leave EU and that Conservative will protect these theses interests via this Brexit negotiations mullarkey.

Given there would appear to be universal agreement amongst those in the fishing industry that the Common Fishing Policy is detrimental to the industry and that Fraserburgh is the biggest shellfish port in Europe it's hardly surprising lots of people voted Conservative is it i.e. towards protecting Brexit interests.

In addition, although I never voted, yes or no people are very fed of this romantic delusion of Scottish independence when its clear its something that is never going to be voted through.

As many of us witnessed in Autumn 2014 these independence referendums are nasty, divisive, divide families, friends and workplaces. In my street, I live it was one of most unpleasant months I can remember - verging on obsession.   I would presume people in Aberdeen South have voted conservative as a means of telling SNP - sorry, we don't want another referendum.

My guess would be that is the end of 'Scottish independence' question for 25 years anyway.

(hopefully  ;D)
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Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 06:29:00 PM
Fraserburgh is the biggest selfish industry you mean.
These buggers have been chancing their luck for years.
No wonder the Russian factory ships used to just sit there waiting to be supplied.
Not a hell of a lot of tax paid either.

Nicola has no option but to call for another referendum, the bastards were going to try and pull us out of Europe.
It doesn't have to take 2 years you know, they could still just go in, pick a fight and leave straight away.

Don't think there was any masterplan behind any of it, the election was sheer stupidity, that's all.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
Absolutely. I never voted Tory (or SNP) but what happened does not surprise me. The SNP have fucked up by calling for an indyref2.

That's not what I said though. The SNP were entirely correct to call the indyref2. They had the mandate at Holyrood, Scotland had been screwed by Brexit and - crucially - they were not going to be held to account for another 4 years because Theresa May had already ruled out a general election. Nobody thought there would have been an election - not even the majority of Tories. If the SNP hadn't called indy ref 2, it would have been a massive missed opportunity. Brexit was the biggest thing to happen in 30 years, that wasn't something to pass up. They just got unlucky with the timing. In hindsight, they should have waited until the end of the year to vote on it at Holyrood, when it was more clear the Brexit negotiations were being fucked up. However, the need to put Scotland front and centre of negotiations - which it did - was absolutely essential. Independence was a good tool to do that with. Even if a referendum never happened, the threat of it was good enough to make Westminster think. That's now been removed, and a clever Tory party will exploit that by largely excluding Scotland from the negotiations.
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Post by: RicoS321 on June 09, 2017, 07:42:29 PM
The fucking DUP. Holy ballsack. This is what we have backing our government

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mp-gregory-campbell-wants-sale-of-ouija-boards-regulated-31094502.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mp-gregory-campbell-wants-sale-of-ouija-boards-regulated-31094502.html)


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Post by: donsdaft on June 09, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
You widnae wint that Arlene Foster as a next door neighbour.

Looks like she would teach her dog to shite in your garden.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 09, 2017, 09:11:19 PM
Doing the rounds on facebook

'looks like we'll be sending Brussels the Conservative & Unionist Negotiating Team. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym'

Hoping someone sends that to 'the Last Leg'.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 09, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
Democratic Unionists are loyalist Christians the same as Ulster Unionists but with a more Christian foundation i.e. Ian Paisley - anti-abortion, they dislike gays, anti-SNP.  Basically symbolically DUP they are on the same page as a certain team from Ibrox basically closely linked to Orange Order bands, masonry, William of Orange, 1690 and Protestant marching band triumphalism.

Politically, it's probably better for someone Northern Irish to comment on it all and what DUP do but underneath it all, I suppose Northern Ireland is a deeply divided nation with two sides and the DUP represent that small section of the Ulster community i.e. Protestant community and all it represents historically, culturally so fairs fair IMO not that I particularly like them! 

DUP - Links with Rangers

Just after Rangers went kapoot in 2012 the DUP spoke out against the SFA and Scottish Football establishment and how Rangers were being punished for the 'sins' of others.

When Rangers reformed the DUP (Peter Robinson former leader) played host to dinners in Belfast between new RFC  directors etc and brokered games against Glentoran and Linfield to raise money for Rangers.

Current DUP leader Arlene Foster and co-leader of DUP are supporters of Rangers and were at Ibrox in May.  They were electioneering in West Scotland and got photos with many Rangers players at the 1-5 game i.e. inside Ibrox.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Nips_and_Tatties on June 09, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Totally disgusted by the vote up here in Scotland. So much so, think its high time to seriously start looking at leaving the UK. How any SCOT could vote tories to keep that bitch in power and to vote for a rape clause disgusts me totally. This isnt your normal central belt scum either voting them but supposed to be educated people all over.

Would be nice to see the break down of age/wealth who voting for that blue fucking team last night.

Donald Dewar must be turning in his grave seeing these results come in last night. Do the people of Scotland not fucking remember the poll tax? or the closure of ravenscraig.

This^^^

 :'(
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on June 09, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
Do the people of Scotland not fucking remember the poll tax? or the closure of ravenscraig.

I use these examples quite often along with the miners strike, destruction of the railways etc but in my rapidly advancing years I have come to realise I now live in the 'age of ignorance' which for me is ironic given so many people seem glued to smartphones which could give them access to actual knowledge.

Ravenscraig shut in 1992 (25 years ago)
The Poll tax riots were in 89/90 (27/27 years ago).

I know people my age who either don't know these events, forgot them, or (as is becoming way to common now) as it didn't affect them they considered them boring so their brain never took them in.

I've had people say things like 'yeah but that was ages ago, you should let it go'. I really wish I could let things go but I am cursed with a brain that refuses to switch off. I sometimes envy those who wander in a world of blissful ignorance and candy crush.

Today someone (born in 1989) asked me if the DUP were 'the catholic' party from Northern Ireland. I fear my response to that was perhaps a bit too aggressive than was justified.  ::)

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: 100% Anti Kingsford on June 09, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
Aberdeen South is traditionally or was a Conservative seat in the 70's and 80's and indeed in 90's.    When you calculate that Aberdeen South includes the West End and the outer suburbs of Bieldside, Cults, Milltimber and Peterculter why are people so surprised that many of these people support Tory views or have these views?

Personally, I blame home ownership and people like Stewart Milne - massive Tory funder and supporter.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 10, 2017, 05:52:58 AM
n in 1989) asked me if the DUP were 'the catholic' party from Northern Ireland. I fear my response to that was perhaps a bit too aggressive than was justified.  ::)




 :laughing: :laughing:

Watch out min or you'll get to be like me.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 10, 2017, 05:57:25 AM
Aberdeen South is traditionally or was a Conservative seat in the 70's and 80's and indeed in 90's.    When you calculate that Aberdeen South includes the West End and the outer suburbs of Bieldside, Cults, Milltimber and Peterculter why are people so surprised that many of these people support Tory views or have these views?

Personally, I blame home ownership and people like Stewart Milne - massive Tory funder and supporter.




Used to include Torry didn't it?
I'm trying to remember the name of the nauseating bastard who was the MP there in the late 70's early 80's

The only name that springs to mind is Hugh Sproat ( Ayr goalkeeper)  :laughing:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 10, 2017, 06:01:03 AM
Iain bloody Sproat

Had to look it up.

Just as well though because I had completely forgotten about the total greaseball Gerry Malone
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 10, 2017, 01:59:02 PM
Iain bloody Sproat

Had to look it up.

Just as well though because I had completely forgotten about the total greaseball Gerry Malone

The seat was usually a two way fight between Conservative and Labour, I'm a Torry loon an dremember going around on my bike back in the day and shouting out 'Vote Labour' and getting paid in stickers, which when you are 8 or 9, back in the day, was ace, then getting a clip roon i lug fae my ma, who was always a Tory, no idea why as we didn't have two pennies to rub together, but she was a bit racist so could well of been that and thankfully I never followed her politics, but I reckon it was just getting back at her Dad who was a communist, good bloke as well my Granda, hated tories even though he come from money.

A pal of my brothers and his wife voted tory after years of SNP, becasue they didn't want indy ref 2.  I was left scratching my head at that one and told my brother to give him a bloody hard slap the next time he sees him.  They would never vote Labour either as the pair o cunts hardly pay a bit of tax between them, but thats Kincorthers for you.

I still cannot for the life of me understand why the tories did so well up here, they offer nothing to anyone bar the super rich. 

As for the pact with the DUP that will bite them on the ass big time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 10, 2017, 04:51:47 PM
It's all part of my masterplan min.

All worthwhile in the end because that's their Brexit fucked.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on June 11, 2017, 07:35:53 PM
Our new environment secretary.



(http://i63.tinypic.com/dy574l.jpg)




With friends like his, not only might he not have the job by the end of the week, we may well not have an environment.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on June 12, 2017, 10:12:53 AM
The NE of Scotland is sick in the head.

UKIP and Salmond are gone.

The yin and yang of this election.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: cupidstunt on June 12, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
The overall result has been a mixture of good and bad shocks.
Labour winning as many seats as it did and coming so close to being able to form a government was a good shock. Hopefully they can vote down the government at every opportunity and with that force a no confidence vote and another election, one they could win next time round.
The SNP’s capitulation in the NE and borders to the Conservatives is a bad shock. I’m disgusted that the people in Murray turned over one of the parliaments best performers and MP’s for promises on fishing that cant be kept and as a protest on a referendum that was probably never going to be held. Gordon going Tory instead of going back to the Lib Dems just shows how easily bought the white settlers are.
The SNP failed to galvanise their support. There’s probably a few reasons for that, perceived poor Holyrood performance, indiref2, delay in their manifesto coming out due to the terrorist attacks and their lack of direction for Europe, well, the lack of putting out a solid message about their stance on Brexit/Europe. I don’t think this is the start of a major decline in the SNP but they will have to work a lot harder in the next 2 elections to hold their current position and to try to retake some of what they lost.

The DUP… I know they are Tory rags and right wing press but the blatant hypocrisy on display from the media is almost astounding, the same press that were hounding Corbyn for days and weeks before the election for his ‘links’ to the IRA and more so Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are now turning a blind eye to May cosying up to a party founded by the Ulster Revolutionary’s, a party that still have known terrorists as chief advisors and pulling the strings. A party that wants to teach creationism in schools and over 40% of their MP’s think the planet is between 400 and 10000 years old and that’s just for starters.

The shitstorm May has created is unsustainable, thank fuck. I just hope Labour can take advantage of it down south and the SNP can get their shit together up here.
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Post by: Garlogie_Granite on June 12, 2017, 02:05:36 PM


My guess would be that is the end of 'Scottish independence' question for 25 years anyway.

(hopefully  ;D)
Highly unlikely. My guess would be within ten, and probably much less. Brexit will see to it, especially when May screws over the fermers and the greedy fucking bastards fishermen
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on June 12, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
this is gold

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ruth-davidson-interview-dup-gay-rights-scottish-conservatives-channel-4-news-a7785526.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on June 12, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
this is gold

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ruth-davidson-interview-dup-gay-rights-scottish-conservatives-channel-4-news-a7785526.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Strong and stable right enough. The interviewer will of course be a member of either the SNP or a Corbynista.

The feckers are imploding and I hope they gypit cunts who voted for them up here have a right long look at themselves and feel ashamed of what they have done and rectify matters when we go back to the polls in a few months.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on June 14, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
Horrible news in London today, really sad. Tim Farron has quit as Lib Dem leader.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: baggy89 on June 15, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
I use these examples quite often along with the miners strike, destruction of the railways etc but in my rapidly advancing years I have come to realise I now live in the 'age of ignorance' which for me is ironic given so many people seem glued to smartphones which could give them access to actual knowledge.

Ravenscraig shut in 1992 (25 years ago)
The Poll tax riots were in 89/90 (27/27 years ago).

I know people my age who either don't know these events, forgot them, or (as is becoming way to common now) as it didn't affect them they considered them boring so their brain never took them in.

I've had people say things like 'yeah but that was ages ago, you should let it go'. I really wish I could let things go but I am cursed with a brain that refuses to switch off. I sometimes envy those who wander in a world of blissful ignorance and candy crush.

Today someone (born in 1989) asked me if the DUP were 'the catholic' party from Northern Ireland. I fear my response to that was perhaps a bit too aggressive than was justified.  ::)

I'm not so sure it's actual ignorance, merely feigned in an attempt to ease their ego's into accepting their lack of moral fibre.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on July 13, 2017, 02:50:10 PM
Got a reply from the head honcho "guy" in the European Parliment today.

More than I got from the SNP MEP based in Dundee.


Dear Donsdaft,

Thank you for taking the time to write to me, and sorry for the delay in responding to you.

I fully understand the worries and uncertainty you feel at the moment as a consequence of Brexit.

We need, I believe, to look at what special arrangements could be put in place for individual citizens like you who want to continue their relationship with the European Union. That is why I will continue to push for citizens in the UK to be able to maintain their links with the EU post-Brexit.

I cannot guarantee that I will succeed with this. It will be extremely difficult. But I can promise you that I will do everything I can for people like you who feel European, did not vote for Brexit and are concerned that no one is listening to them.

I hope this reassures you that your voice is being heard and that I am doing all I can to fight for your rights.

Yours sincerely,

Guy Verhofstadt
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on August 29, 2017, 11:12:48 PM
Dugdale gone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41082916
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on August 30, 2017, 08:16:57 AM
How many is that since the beginning of the Scottish Parliament?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on August 30, 2017, 08:38:27 AM
Dugdale was the 6th permanent leader, been quite a few "acting" as you'd expect. One every 3 years. Probably about the same as the UK tories. I don't get her shite about how great it is she's leaving without controversy and with a stable party. Unfinished would surely be the only description of that?

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on August 30, 2017, 08:50:14 AM
Dugdale was the 6th permanent leader, been quite a few "acting" as you'd expect. One every 3 years. Probably about the same as the UK tories. I don't get her shite about how great it is she's leaving without controversy and with a stable party. Unfinished would surely be the only description of that?

She strikes me as a person who is completely oblivious to reality, like most tories in fact. I can't see how she can think her tenure has been anything but a half arsed job and failed to achieve her personal decisive goal of removing Corbyn.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on August 30, 2017, 09:57:52 AM
Pretty clear either Corbyn has either told her to go or he'd get her replaced, or he's said she's got no guture with him as leader and she's decided to jump now.

Wonder how much the fact she's now scissoring an SNP MSP has had on this decision?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on August 30, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
Wonder how much the fact she's now scissoring an SNP MSP has had on this decision?

I'm wondering why neither have been involved in a WYOWYN.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 31, 2017, 08:01:45 AM
https://youtu.be/XIbfN8yuVTw
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on August 31, 2017, 08:08:08 AM
I'm wondering why neither have been involved in a WYOWYN.

Make it happen.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: KrakowDon on September 02, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
To be fair to Kezia, she has a big year ahead of her, what with her exams which are going to be a really really exciting opportunity for her and everybody in this country, and being a prefect which will be a really really great challenge for her and everybody in this country and organising the tuck shop which is going to be really really good for her and everybody in this country.

At least she won't have to spend time memorising bland press releases for regurgitation any more.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 06, 2017, 08:40:36 PM
I see the English are taking great delight in picking and choosing who gets work permits after they leave the union that they currently belong to. ( they won't actually leave)

It's all okay of course because they are English and everyone else is just foriegn. ( apart from minions like us)

let's see how they like it if we started talking about limiting work permits for the English after we leave the union we currently belong to.


I don't expect anyone English to actually understand that it would be exactly the same thing.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Buc on September 07, 2017, 03:11:35 PM
Bang on DD.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on September 10, 2017, 02:41:09 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41216679

I think we have heard more from Blair this past year than the previous 9 since he quit as PM and all of it shyte.

I am sure the cunt is planning a political comeback of some sort.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 23, 2017, 09:13:20 AM
So how does everyone think the Eu will respond to Mays speech yesterday?  Still seems like they want their cake and eat it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 23, 2017, 09:43:45 AM
That's the English for you.

The really sad thing is that they will spin it as them being reasonable (perhaps they might even believe it)

Looks like it's a prelude to a walk out.


To answer your question, the EU will respond with dignity.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 23, 2017, 10:13:50 AM
You'd have thought that it would have started to dawn on them that they don't hold any cards. But it's clear that the penny still hasn't dropped (so to speak). Think the only thing I disagree with is the British courts being answerable to the ECJ. No. Other than that, it's fair game the EU are asking / demanding the UK stump up the cash.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 23, 2017, 10:24:29 AM
Well I have no idea what she really said, I'm not going to listen to any of the shite that comes out of that stupid bitch's mouth.

I'm not leaving the EU, whatever fuckin pish they come up with.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 01, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
The Spanish are going to extraordinary lengths to deny the Catalonians a voice. The key question is why?

Why is always the best question of course but this is an affront to the so-called democracy that these western corrupt states peddle. When Cameron pleaded with us to stay with his "UK family", those who were persuaded by him forgot to ask themselves why he was trying so hard? Not only should his insincerity have been obvious to them, they never once engaged any critical thinking whatsoever in advance of voting No.

The Spanish and UK central governments are pursuing the exact same agenda. It appears that the Catalonians are engaging much more advanced critical thinking skills and have much more intelligence and courage than the stupid majority of Scots.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 01, 2017, 01:30:31 PM
Extraordinary to see the local fire brigade come to the rescue of the "protesters" after they were being fired upon by the Spanish police. Absolutely disgraceful scenes. This will only spawn a more extreme form of tactics from the catalan govt / supporters. Horrible to see. Hope no one is seriously injured. The scenes in Madrid were equally horrifying, but on the other side of the spectrum. People gathering and singing the fascist Spanish anthem whilst giving fascist salutes. Great, good look Spain.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 01, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Get out there and break up these bastard nation states.

There's not one that isn't fake.

Freedom for Aberdonia under the EU umberella is the future.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 01, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
Get out there and break up these bastard nation states.

There's not one that isn't fake.

Freedom for Aberdonia under the EU umberella is the future.

 ;D I like what you did there
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 01, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
Proper federalism.

A hell of a lot of vested interests to take care of.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 02, 2017, 02:21:19 PM
The Spanish are going to extraordinary lengths to deny the Catalonians a voice. The key question is why?

Why is always the best question of course but this is an affront to the so-called democracy that these western corrupt states peddle. When Cameron pleaded with us to stay with his "UK family", those who were persuaded by him forgot to ask themselves why he was trying so hard? Not only should his insincerity have been obvious to them, they never once engaged any critical thinking whatsoever in advance of voting No.

The Spanish and UK central governments are pursuing the exact same agenda. It appears that the Catalonians are engaging much more advanced critical thinking skills and have much more intelligence and courage than the stupid majority of Scots.


Great post. I wish the voters of Scotland had a fucking fraction of the gumption and backbone that the Catalonians have shown.

The countless videos that I've seen from yesterday are a disgrace and Spain should be ashamed. I saw a lot of people peacfully waiting to vote attacked by thug cops. Old people and dogs were also fair game. Fucking cretins.

Catalonia will get it's will. Scotland could learn so much if it weren't for the Stockholm Syndrome.

I will not set foot in Spain again.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 02, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
That's the police for you, and if it were here, the army dressed up as police.


Doesn't have to be Spain, any power, any army, any Police.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 02, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
I will not set foot in Spain again.

Exactly what the wife and I said yesterday. They never thought about that in Madrid.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on October 03, 2017, 08:30:17 AM
Tories invoking the war twice in a day. Grayling describing the repatriation of Monarch customers as "the biggest peace time effort", whilst Hammond says the same about Brexit negotiations. Is this their new "strong and stable", or "hardworking ordinary people" slogan? Seems a bit limited if it is. Fucking weird nevertheless, are they trying to instill some sort of nationalist pride over a shitey airline and a total fuck up of a political decision? Sinister cunts like.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 03, 2017, 09:26:37 AM
Aye, you know when they start going on about the Dunkirk spirit there’s trouble ahead.

If they announce a royal wedding or anything like then beware.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 03, 2017, 11:00:17 AM
We also got Dod Osbourne's "northern powerhouse" yesterday. They've not come oot with that een fer a filie.

They're so see through and stupid too. Invoking the northern powerhouse is not an intelligent strategy for a number of reasons: -

It is by it's very nature an acknowledgment of the north/south divide.

Nobody believes it. It's like these two words are designed to make the NE and the NW forget about the chronic lack of investment.

It originally came from a particularly vile and insidious public schoolboy, a man who wouldn't have been invited to make tea at the Liverpool Echo or the Bridlington Gazette, far less become the editor of the biggest regional paper. Print media is dying anyway. The only people who believe in the Tories are obviously sick in the head yet we NE Scots trust them. Mundell and Davidson wouldn't get a job in a fucking factory and yet they're lauded by the establishment.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 04, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
Brilliant performance by hatchet face the day.

The boy giving her a P45 was class. Plus the way he ripped Boris the cunt.

Her cough was a metaphor for nae cunt wanting to hear anything she had to say.

The letters falling out behind her were too good. That had to be engineered?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 04, 2017, 08:05:51 PM
The Tory party conference used to be so well choreographed that it squeaked
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on October 04, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
Teresa May ?

Laugh?


I thought I'd pish mysel
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 05, 2017, 12:38:21 AM
Hilarious stuff. It was so well corregraphed  :rofl:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on December 07, 2017, 07:32:00 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/philip-hammond-uk-productivity-rates-low-because-more-disabled-people-are-in-work_uk_5a281714e4b044d16726b7bd?mmo (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/philip-hammond-uk-productivity-rates-low-because-more-disabled-people-are-in-work_uk_5a281714e4b044d16726b7bd?mmo)

 ::) ::) ::)

Really Hammond, really ???
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on December 20, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
Another one bites the dust

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on December 21, 2017, 08:41:20 AM
Another one bites the dust

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802
FUCKING WANKER
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 28, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
George Weah now president of Liberia.

What next? Willie Miller for Scotland? Hodgson to stand against Theresa May?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on January 15, 2018, 05:44:38 PM
How did the boy from UKIP end up with a 25 year old blonde?!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on January 18, 2018, 09:51:34 PM
How did the boy from UKIP end up with a 25 year old blonde?!

Regularly pumping her (bank account) full
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 19, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
Lets face it lads, we are never going to understand women.

That wanker Farage left his German wife for his French mistress (it could be the other way around)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 23, 2018, 08:08:33 AM
Lets face it lads, we are never going to understand women.

Venus and Mars. Veal and Mutton. Viberg and Matalan. Vicks and Moisturiser. Venerable and Maligned.

The man who has a daughter is well placed to understand this truth. With three daughters, a wife and a bitch dog, I'm convinced that the female of the species is not knowable by mere men. They're too different to know. Their hormones are erratic and their brains are random.

Jo Marney though. She's an archetypal gold digger. She has screws loose up top but she screws loose down below for money. It's one of the more stomach-turning examples in that he is a horribly boring beige man with political ambition that is as dead as the chances of Burnley beating Cowdenbeath 2-1 in the Scottish Cup final in May, whereas she is a horrible soul who might have been a looker had her behaviour, outlook and views not been so vile *. There is a deadness in her eyes. Fucking slut.

Edit: someone once said/wrote that a mans life can be seen in his face or a man wears his life in his face, something like that. This is a truth written by a man of instinct and only understood by men of instincts. For men, read women. Interchangeable on many points when discussing the human condition.

Marney is ugly. Every photo of her repels a decent spirit. She's a wrong Un. The square or the person suffering instinctius defunctum might counter with but you don't know her. That would be to misinterpret know and to underestimate instinct, particularly instant instinct.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 23, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
I have no doubt what you say is true.
Such things are beneath my notice.

However


As much as the UKiP bloke is no doubt a slimy creep, are we now to be judged by the thoughts and behaviour of people we know?

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 23, 2018, 09:04:31 AM
I have no doubt what you say is true.
Such things are beneath my notice.

However


As much as the UKiP bloke is no doubt a slimy creep, are we now to be judged by the thoughts and behaviour of people we know?

I have no doubt that what you ask is above my understanding.

Why would we be judged by what others do or think?

This makes no sense to me.

Edit: ok I think you're talking about what impact Marney has on beige man (he's so boring I don't even remember his name).

Yeah it's nuts to judge him by her actions... on the face of it. It's only when the process of judgement is as crucial as it is for a leader or politician that his judgements about the company he keeps etc. is a valid subject for examination.

Edit II: I wasn't thinking about that angle, the impact she has had on him. If any at all, him being the leader of a dead and irrelevant cause. I was only judging her and how her life is being written in her appearance already, aged 25, in her eyes particularly.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 23, 2018, 09:27:11 AM
Complete load of arseholes, the lot of them.


Things are getting worse in this respect though.

Is a Tory cabinet minister to lose his job because he had a mate at University who was and is a communist?

Is the worlds biggest intellect to miss out on that top job because his wife's a bit frumpy?

No doubt some things have always been such, the drive towards squeeky clean is dangerous though.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 23, 2018, 09:31:41 AM
Squeaky clean was never a reality and always a lie, an unachievable aspiration that acts as a front for "decency".

Yet another tool of their hypocrisy.

Farage's leadership proved that the electorate are so shallow, it's about the personality not the policies.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on January 23, 2018, 09:38:17 AM
Aye, we're allowing it. The BBC is covering it like it's a thing. It's dangerous as you say. It detracts from the things that should be being investigated

Quote
It's only when the process of judgement is as crucial as it is for a leader or politician that his judgements about the company he keeps etc. is a valid subject for examination.

So we need to get to the point where it isn't crucial, because it really should not be crucial. We don't need a leader, we don't need to be led. We need targets and goals as a society and the person who takes us there is ourselves. We've deified people in a system of deification. It's bad shite and it leads to this deep, deep investigation of a person's flaws in order to find out that UKIP's policies are zenophobic, nationalist pish. We knew this anyway, we don't need a UKIP leader to project this. Pollicy, policy, policy. Stop personalising politics, and remove power from individuals (see Donald T). That's the only way. Remove power from individuals and you remove power from their friends. We need accountability, but not on who someone is biffing.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 23, 2018, 10:41:02 AM
No chance of that min.

Folk like leaders.

It gives the powerful someone to hide behind.
It gives the weak someone to idolise then inevitably sacrifice.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 23, 2018, 01:03:15 PM
Interesting latest angle by the deep state to stoke up fear and villainise Russia.

The demonisation of Putin has been an ongoing orchestrated propaganda campaign by the "elite" who want wars and who need wars to further steal money from the public, cement their own positions and keep us down.

But now telling us how advanced and superior their arsenal is? Whilst I can understand how this fits their broad agenda, it's a sinister innovation designed to prepare us for the inevitable world war, one that only the moneyed men in the west want.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on January 23, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Aye, we need to plow mair money into the military.

It didn't really come as a surprise to find out that we would struggle in a square go with Russia.

Isn't that why we have to have the nuclear deterrent?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on January 23, 2018, 01:17:10 PM
Russia have never exhibited an expansionist agenda. Putin has no interest in provoking conflict with NATO. MAD would indeed be mutually assured destruction but the provocation and actions that create the risk of war is 100% unilateral.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 14, 2018, 09:42:31 AM
This was just tweeted: -

https://youtu.be/VFcBRHC9MV0

"Spot on by Spitting Image! Decades ago they made this clip that predicated the Privatisation of the Railways will miserably fail in exactly the manor that it ended up miserably failing".

Edit: the tweeter's spelling errors left in...

in case you were thinking of casting aspersions at my attention to detail in primary school.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 14, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
Jesus, so true, and scarily accurate  >:(
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 14, 2018, 11:18:11 PM
I fucking hate puppets.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 12, 2018, 06:02:10 PM
Teresa May in the house just now has confirmed what any reasonably functioning sane mind has suspected for a long time. Not only is she mad, Britain is totally barking mad, the support she's getting from the public school suits without a brain between them nor an ounce of integrity. The setting up for war with Putin has been ongoing for a long time. Forget that the Conservative party took €1m of Russian money, that's no shock given their love of money, offshoring and personal gain from the public purse (NHS privatisation by stealth), war is the biggest earner and here we go again....
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 12, 2018, 07:15:58 PM
The English sabre rattling again are they?

Fuckin wankers.

Things must be bad, a Royal wedding and a rousing chorus of Land of Hope and Glory.



To think that I live in a country that would rather allow them make all our decisions for us.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 15, 2018, 08:15:19 AM
My instinct screamed lies when Theresa span her shit. It appears "our government" aren't that bright but their disdain for the people is gargantuan.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on March 15, 2018, 10:14:23 AM
It's all the partisan bull shit that gets me. It's fucking disgusting and the sign of a very backward setup.

Corbyn (or whoever) can't ask legitimate questions without being branded a traitor. The phrase "[he should be] expected to condemn Russia" was also used. Do we really need to "condemn" anyone/anything? How the fuck does that help. We're fucking adults, have an adult discussion of the facts. The people of the UK don't need Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn to tell us how to think, just give us the facts. Any reasonable person who could see visible evidence of a Russian poisoning would rightly think it was an abhorrent act, we don't need to be told how to think about things.

There was a weird phone in on BBC scotland yesterday which I caught a little bit of. Actual Scottish people phoning in suggesting that we impose sanctions or other bollocks. Who are these armchair specialists, and why do they feel so strongly? There simply isn't enough information in the public domain for us (the public) to make a definitive (informed) decision on whether there was a Russian sanctioned poisoning or not. Why do they act like they know otherwise, and with such confidence? It's like the idiots that wank on about "Economic Growth", parroting the shite they've heard being spouted constantly by politicians. I can't tell if in both instances it's just an attempt by individuals to make themselves sound more intelligent. There's no harm in saying "I don't know" in these instances. I certainly don't.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 15, 2018, 10:19:03 AM
Our brave intelligence officers versus their nasty dirty spies.

What else do you need to know?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on March 15, 2018, 07:28:00 PM
I’m all for them looking into alleged Russian nerve agent poisoning but somebody should take a look into what happened to Dr David Kelly...
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 15, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
Has the British public been dumbed down to such an extent that nobody cares any more?

I find it frightening personally.

The Chilcott report has been ignored. This is a "country" that has facilitated in and has directly killed millions illegally and yet they already know that the fate of one Russian ex-spy and his daughter killed on British soil was the act of Putin? And yet they won't reveal the evidence to anyone let alone to the accused? Even that thick cunt Trump has been primed to say "it looks like Russia is behind it".

On more domestic matters and equally disturbing, have you noticed how Scottish produce in supermarkets has been de-Scotified over recent months. They are desperate to keep a hold of us. For our own good apparently.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on March 16, 2018, 06:29:11 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unlikely-that-vladimir-putin-behind-skripal-poisoning-1.3425736?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/unlikely-that-vladimir-putin-behind-skripal-poisoning-1.3425736?mode=amp)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on March 16, 2018, 07:11:43 AM
Has the British public been dumbed down to such an extent that nobody cares any more?

Yes it has, the establishment has won. A lot of people still care but the vast majority really don't, it really is a case of looking after number one.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on March 16, 2018, 08:30:56 AM
Yes it has, the establishment has won. A lot of people still care but the vast majority really don't, it really is a case of looking after number one.

Surely an intelligent person would see that type of short-sighted approach for what it is? Individualism, to the extent that we have promoted it in this country, is the root of the vast majority of our problems. We either look out for others or we continue on the existing path. What you're describing is the status quo. Just because someone is ignorant - deliberately or otherwise - it doesn't mean they should be ignored.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 16, 2018, 10:47:25 AM
https://www.sott.net/article/379904-Skripal-Likely-Poisoned-by-British-Intelligence-in-Effort-to-Smear-and-Silence-Russian-World-View
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on March 16, 2018, 02:09:34 PM
https://www.sott.net/article/379904-Skripal-Likely-Poisoned-by-British-Intelligence-in-Effort-to-Smear-and-Silence-Russian-World-View

Not sure about that een like. Not much evidence presented there. Boy's a bit of a mintal case ina, having seen some of his pish before. He could be entirely correct, but he hasn't backed it up with any facts, just basic circumstance.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 16, 2018, 02:26:15 PM
Not sure about that een like. Not much evidence presented there. Boy's a bit of a mintal case ina, having seen some of his pish before. He could be entirely correct, but he hasn't backed it up with any facts, just basic circumstance.

I'm not sure about any of them for a very simple reason; I'm not there. It's not my area of knowledge. I have no direct involvement in the case. I was only forwarding on an alternative view, a counter to the standard establishment line, something Andrew Neil reinforced in disgusting fashion last night after Question Time. It is always wise to consider the boundaries and to always examine all possibilities, however unlikely they may be.

This is where those who use the phrase "conspiracy theories" show themselves for what they are. Yes there are a handful of nut jobs who want to believe EVERY outlier but there is no doubt that the majority swallow the party lines without question, far less ever investing any critical thinking. Those who seek to invoke "conspiracy theorist" as a criticism will have something to hide or something to protect, their position of absolute certainty being their usual reason.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 17, 2018, 09:10:56 AM
Now it's World Cup England 2019 is it?

At least the royals would be able to go, which is the main thing.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 18, 2018, 08:13:40 AM
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

Like him or loath him, he's always had the courage to say what he believes and on the demonisation and vilification of Corbyn and Putin, he's bang on.

Our deep state is shutting down dissent and opposition. Even John Swinney has been a victim of their subliminal propaganda this week. They are desperate not to lose Scotland. Their tactics to destroy the independence movement don't include honest debate and free speech, rather, the same old fear campaign and scaring us into distrust of our own.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 18, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
Scotlands foreign policy is to do whatever England tells us to do.


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 21, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
Boris , apart from being a fuckin idiot is a cunning educated fuckin idiot.

He full well knows how many Russians died at the hands of Hitlers armies.

What he said today he said deliberately, with full knowledge of what the reaction would be.

Dangerous times ahead.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 21, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
The worst things about the Boris x-examination were the tone and the x-examiners.

Had I been the chairman - they didn't request my services - I might have interjected, or interejaculated, whatever the posh term is. I'm at least encouraged that my phone autocorrects posh with pish, such has been my use of the latter but I would've taken that smugness right oot his coupon with "innocent people are lying in hospital, there are major state relationships at stake here and you think it's a source of humour, merriment and buffoonery?"

Had I imbibed of claret at lunch, I might have added "grow up you fucking public schoolboy wank and stop acting the prick". It was a disgusting scene, a PR faux questioning designed to sell the establishment line. The fuckers doing the "questioning" should also, like Boris, be executed and when rocket takes charge, they will be.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on March 29, 2018, 12:15:47 PM
Sky News just showed our prime minister in a kindergarten. All the images were her smiling and attempting to engage with kids, something that must be very alien to the barren cow.

Why does our prime minister visit a toddler school? What was the state purpose? And is it newsworthy?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on March 29, 2018, 03:27:03 PM
Why does our prime minister visit a toddler school? What was the state purpose? And is it newsworthy?

The "photo op" politics in this country shows a real deep-rooted societal problem. We have no targets, no societal aims, no definition of progress. Just a bunch of identities in a building shouting at one another surrounded by pageantry and irrelevance.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 31, 2018, 08:23:09 AM
This nerve agent poisoning thing is going to turn out not to be the Russian state's doing.

Hatchet face is fucked.

I wonder if they'll ever admit it?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 07, 2018, 09:12:56 PM
Guardian reporting £50m has been lined up to create a new centrist political party.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 07, 2018, 09:26:47 PM
Guardian reporting £50m has been lined up to create a new centrist political party.

This lot?
http://www.thecentristparty.com/

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on April 07, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
So basically a party for lefty tories and labour voters that don't like Corbyn.  If it takes off I can see coalitions becoming the norm.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 07, 2018, 10:29:09 PM
As predicted by yours truly 18 months ago.

Took their bloody time.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on April 08, 2018, 12:14:35 PM
This lot?
http://www.thecentristparty.com/

No I don’t think they’ve named the party
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 08, 2018, 05:43:09 PM
The Tories are split, with the ultra right in full control. The question is, can you trust a Tory to be decent at heart.
Indeed, is it possible for a Tory to have a heart.
The good thing is that it would take very few of them to defect to bring down the government.

Labour is more difficult to understand. The party has great access to finance and nobody wants to be the faction that breaks away from the money.
I really really don't trust Corbyn, he thinks that achieving power is far more important than anything else.
He's not to be trusted regarding Europe, he's a little Englander at heart.
I hope he blushes when he sings the international.

My main worry about a centre party is that Tony Blair is involved.

However I'd even put up with him to remain in the European Union.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on April 23, 2018, 07:08:22 PM
Anybody read Polly Toynbee in the Guardian today?

Fun and games in the Scotland v England fishing wars to come.


This sort of story is just so f'uckin typical.


Pack it in England, just accept that you get to be a major player and don't need to be the boss all the time.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on April 27, 2018, 08:06:28 AM
Worth a listen. Wasn't a massive of fan of his stuff from a comedic point of view (although the occasional one was very good), for a while he seemed to replace humour with swearing. However, not much wrong with this interview, and such an important message:

https://www.channel4.com/news/ways-to-change-the-world-a-new-channel-4-news-podcast-tom-walker-aka-jonathan-pie (https://www.channel4.com/news/ways-to-change-the-world-a-new-channel-4-news-podcast-tom-walker-aka-jonathan-pie)
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on April 29, 2018, 10:26:21 PM
Amber Rudd just jumped ship

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43944988
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ramperbamper on April 30, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
Worth a listen. Wasn't a massive of fan of his stuff from a comedic point of view (although the occasional one was very good), for a while he seemed to replace humour with swearing. However, not much wrong with this interview, and such an important message:

https://www.channel4.com/news/ways-to-change-the-world-a-new-channel-4-news-podcast-tom-walker-aka-jonathan-pie (https://www.channel4.com/news/ways-to-change-the-world-a-new-channel-4-news-podcast-tom-walker-aka-jonathan-pie)

He's getting it in the neck on Twitter around racism and offence culture.

Unfairly so, in my view.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on November 15, 2018, 11:56:00 PM
Over the last 25 years or so, I'll have seen over 90% of the Question Times. We even went to one about 10 years ago in St Andrews.

I've got an opinion on Dimblebum. Wonder if anyone else agrees?

Particularly noticeable in the last year, he's becoming a right arse.

I don't know if it's familiarity breeding contempt or whether it's his longevity making him feel like Erchie, bolstered by his obvious relationships in the real world with some of his panels. Whatever it is, he's become a right cunt, an irritable and intolerant pig who's got to make his control mechanisms the biggest dramas. Horrible establishment guffy wank.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on November 16, 2018, 09:10:09 PM
He is definitely more opinionated but he is retiring from Question Time at Xmas so only a few weeks left to put up with him.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on November 22, 2018, 09:19:23 PM
In his day Dimbleby was brilliant at managing a debate.

Looks like Fiona Bruce has got the gig.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on January 28, 2019, 11:42:40 AM
Sooo, Venezuala.

Quote
“Any violence and intimidation against US diplomatic personnel, Venezuela’s democratic leader, Juan Guiado (sic), or the National Assembly itself would represent a grave assault on the rule of law and will be met with a significant response,” Bolton said in a Twitter post on Sunday

The old Obama chemical weapons red-line again. You can kill as many of your own citizens as you like, but touch our puppet and you're fucking dead. Luckily all other American interventions in the South of that continent have been a roaring success that championed the people.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on January 28, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Sooo, Venezuala.

The old Obama chemical weapons red-line again. You can kill as many of your own citizens as you like, but touch our puppet and you're fucking dead. Luckily all other American interventions in the South of that continent have been a roaring success that championed the people.

Yeah, democracy, fuck yeah!

This is a rhetorical question, but I honestly don't know why countries are fawning over the US to try and appease them.  This has nothing to do with them. It wouldn't surprise me that their foreign policy has directly impacted Venezuela. As you say, the yanks have a rich history on the continent. Nothing will possibly go wrong...
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 08, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
Wonder how the NE Tories are feeling about that horrible little cunt Ross Thomson being outed as a weirdo pervert?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on February 09, 2019, 08:43:51 AM
So with the media and politicians (SNP) that have been hounding the tories on contract awards for brexit, have now done a u turn and cancelled the contract with seaborne ferry farce.

Hope the politicans keep checking every single contract " awarded" for anything to do with breixt.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-firm-with-no-ships-has-ferries-contract-cancelled-11632176

Labour says the decision to terminate Seaborne Freight's deal shows Transport Secretary Chris Grayling "is not up to the job".

I would actually have said, Chris grayling is corrupt and not up to the job, and an immediate investigation on the process to be taken to court if any corruption has taken place.

The Bribery Act creates four prime offences:

Two general offences covering the offering promising or giving of an advantage, and requesting, agreeing to receive or accepting of an advantage;
A discrete offence of bribery of a foreign public official ; and
A new offence of failure by a commercial organisation to prevent a bribe being paid to obtain or retain business or a business advantage (should an offence be committed it will be a defence that the organisation has adequate procedures in place to prevent bribery).The Bribery Act creates four prime offences:

Two general offences covering the offering promising or giving of an advantage, and requesting, agreeing to receive or accepting of an advantage;
A discrete offence of bribery of a foreign public official ; and
A new offence of failure by a commercial organisation to prevent a bribe being paid to obtain or retain business or a business advantage (should an offence be committed it will be a defence that the organisation has adequate procedures in place to prevent bribery).
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 09, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
Unfortunately the Bribery laws are circumvented, ignored and flouted by the Tory establishment. Blair also is a corrupt cunt and took "new Labour" down the same dirty road, one that he continues to run down.

Grayling, like Hammond, Mundell, Davis and all of them are specific individuals. They are non-Alpha males, they are public schooled, they are arselickers and they are in politics for themselves, not for the people, in breach of their job descriptions. And yet middle England and the NE of Scotland voted these cunts in? That's unfathomable to me. As a wifie said in QT from Motherwell on Thursday, the timing is ripe for a brand new party.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: bearsdenred on February 09, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
has farage not created the " The brexit Party " just recently.   :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 18, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
Chukka and friends resign to create new new labour. A new type of politics for the 21st century, leaving Labour as the only remaining no-jews-allowed party. A great day for politics. A new beginning.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 18, 2019, 12:23:17 PM
Chukka and friends resign to create new new labour. A new type of politics for the 21st century, leaving Labour as the only remaining no-jews-allowed party. A great day for politics. A new beginning.

That's one interpretation. Another is that Chukka is a spineless establishment puppet wank who has been used to split the party and almost guarantee more of the same Tory drivel, representing the deep dark unelected (sorry, self-elected) state.

The anti-semitism smear on Corbyn and Labour was a lie and this is the result of it. We're being played. Again.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on February 18, 2019, 01:05:15 PM
Doesn't look like anyone at all is denying the anti semitism angle so may well be something in it.

I watched the press conference this morning, they all looked like they were going to burst into tears.

This may well just be an age thing but none of them looked capable of organising a piss up in a brewery.

Makes the original Gang of Four look like big hitters indeed.

The Labour Party has just went back to what it was and should be.
A center party with a bit of clout is badly needed, whether this is the start of it........meh.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 18, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
The Labour Party has just went back to what it was and should be.

Yes but Tony Blair, Andy Burnham, Ed Miliband and these Chukka wankers were never Labour. They were and are pursuing the exact same agendas as Cameron and hatchet face, the exact same agendas as the EU and they were all serving the same western puppet masters (running the corporatocracy and going right through Israel and AIPAC in the US) and never the people.

Labour and Conservative have been exactly the same for well over 20 years but Corbyn won't play their game so they're terrified of him. Then again, if they could assassinate JFK, JC will be a much easier target... if he ever got elected. This move today has been designed to break up the opposition vote and to guarantee continuing Tory corruption. They have been put up to this and I would guess royally entertained in the process, with excessive funds being generously given and promised.

Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 18, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
Doesn't look like anyone at all is denying the anti semitism angle so may well be something in it.

I think it is a subject that Labour probably recognise they aren't going to win either way so they try and say as little as possible.

The faux outrage by the "rebel 7" is exactly that though (perhaps bar one or two). Self serving cunts.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on February 18, 2019, 07:21:36 PM
I heard someone on the radio speak about Corbyn and how he stuck with Labour under Blair when the party he supported didn't represent his views on anything, but he stuck with it as he knew change would come full circle and it did with him becoming leader.

The 7 who resigned from the party today are closer to the Tories than they ever were true Labour, especially they boy Chukka, so leaving is possibly best all round, but the timing of it is strange. I don't believe the Labour party are a party of anti semitists and this is a story being blown out of proportion by our right leaning press.

It's not a new political party we need though, but a break from traditional party politics.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on February 18, 2019, 08:28:35 PM
The anti-semitism smear on Corbyn and Labour was a lie and this is the result of it. We're being played. Again.

What horse shit as usual.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on February 18, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
I don't believe the Labour party are a party of anti semitists and this is a story being blown out of proportion by our right leaning press.

The Guardian isn’t right leading.

Anyway, some Labour MPs, and again tonight, fall over themselves to state that the party has not addressed the problem so there’s clearly something in it. I don’t think they are an anti-Semitic party but they’ve fostered anti-semites and not fully dealt with it.

For what it’s worth, Corbyn (and May) have been horrific over Brexit. There’s definitely a need for a centric voice / break up of traditional politics as it’s currently fucked.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 18, 2019, 10:38:24 PM
TDD, don't respond to it.

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Garlogie_Granite on February 19, 2019, 08:01:20 AM
Not really finding anything to add to the Rocket here. Kinda voiced my thoughts. So I'll just say good mornign to you all  :wave:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 19, 2019, 09:32:06 AM
The Guardian isn’t right leading.

It is compared to Corbyn's labour party though isn't it? It's very much wedded to the Blairite position, or the Ed Miliband position at best editorially speaking. Overall though, Rocket is right, there is an economic system designed around globilisation and maintaining a status quo. All of the UK's papers sit comfortably within that framework. That one might think an Isis girl should come home and the other think she should piss off to a brown country is a irrelevant distraction that give the impression of a left and right.


Quote
For what it’s worth, Corbyn (and May) have been horrific over Brexit. There’s definitely a need for a centric voice / break up of traditional politics as it’s currently fucked.

What would a "centric voice" do to break up traditional politics? How would it solve our systemic global issues? The problem with centrism (very generally speaking) is that it doesn't solve any actual problems because to solve them you have to go one way or the other. If by breaking up traditional politics you mean dissolving the power of the labour party then you're right, it works. That has almost zero chance of breaking up FPTP and as far as I'm aware that isn't the intention of these well-meaning and principled politicians.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on February 19, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
Well you might find centre politics more appealing once they start carting the Jews off to the gas chambers again.
Or maybe when you get the letter / email / tweet that tells you not to expect your son to come home, but never mind because he was brave.


It's flag waving that causes all that sort of shite and the waving of flags seems to be getting more popular.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on February 19, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
TDD, don't respond to it.

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!

I don't believe the Labour party are a party of anti semitists and this is a story being blown out of proportion by our right leaning press.

Personally I wouldn’t have labelled you a glue pot.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on February 19, 2019, 09:54:38 PM
TDD, don't respond to it.

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!

Print media?  ???
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 20, 2019, 07:05:33 AM
Anyway, some Labour MPs, and again tonight, fall over themselves to state that the party has not addressed the problem so there’s clearly something in it. I don’t think they are an anti-Semitic party but they’ve fostered anti-semites and not fully dealt with it.

There's clearly something in it? Because it's been repeated often enough?

Name the anti-semites fostered by the party?

The generalist accusations are telling in themselves. Not one of the eight defectors, nor one of the huge amount of "stories" on this subject (for well over a year now) has ever specifically outed the supposed bigots within the Labour Party.

Rico was spot on. Not commenting on the obvious lies was always the best strategy. The truth will out.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on February 20, 2019, 11:51:44 AM
The bigots are not the MP's per se......although the lack of forceful condemnation of the anti-semitism makes them complicit...but lies within the so called "activists" ( loudmouthed cunts with an agenda). In a similar way the Tories are  infected with racists in their grassroot membership.

This new centrist group are doomed to failure though. 3 Tories have joined today but as Rico rightly says.....to solve a problem you have to take a line be it left or right wing as a policy. Trying to please both sides will never work. The SDP in 81 had far bigger political names when it set up yet still was an irrelevance when the 83 election took place and was forced to eventually seek an alliance with the Liberals.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on February 20, 2019, 12:07:21 PM
The bigots are not the MP's per se......although the lack of forceful condemnation of the anti-semitism makes them complicit...but lies within the so called "activists" ( loudmouthed cunts with an agenda). In a similar way the Tories are  infected with racists in their grassroot membership.

This new centrist group are doomed to failure though. 3 Tories have joined today but as Rico rightly says.....to solve a problem you have to take a line be it left or right wing as a policy. Trying to please both sides will never work. The SDP in 81 had far bigger political names when it set up yet still was an irrelevance when the 83 election took place and was forced to eventually seek an alliance with the Liberals.

I read somewhere yesterday that the SDP polled 25% of the vote at the 83 GE, but only got something like 23 seats. No new party will ever survive unless the FPTP system in done away with and neither Labour or Tory would ever want a breakaway from the golden goose.  Do these breakaway MPs have to fight by-elections if they have gave up their party whip?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on February 20, 2019, 01:58:39 PM
I read somewhere yesterday that the SDP polled 25% of the vote at the 83 GE, but only got something like 23 seats. No new party will ever survive unless the FPTP system in done away with and neither Labour or Tory would ever want a breakaway from the golden goose.  Do these breakaway MPs have to fight by-elections if they have gave up their party whip?

Aye, SDP were popular in a UKIP style. Lots of votes but no representation.

The independent group are riddled with types who wouldn't dream of dismantling FPTP. They just want their parties to return to whatever state they were in in 2000-2010(ish) so that they can re-join them.

They are not required to have by elections as we are in a representative democracy. We vote for a representative who will put forward the views of their constituents without being held to party political views. That many peopl might think that they were voting for labour is neither here nor there. They were voting for a candidate who belonged to a party. Otherwise we'd just have parties on the ballot.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 20, 2019, 04:18:11 PM
Very good letter from the three to the PM explaining their reasons for resignation.

Twitter and YouTube, like ALL of the mainstream media, are part of the problem. Proof of this is numerous and various over many years now but Craig Murray has just pointed out that the YouTube video evidence of Joan Ryan receiving £1 million from Shai Misot of the Israeli Embassy to "spread around to increase Israeli influence amongst MP's" has now been pulled. Sit back and see how many "investigative journalists" even mention it, let alone ask the right questions.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 20, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
George Galloway on Sky News today was brilliant.

He described the mainstream media - specifically The Times and "you", to his interviewer (meaning Sky)  :laughing: - as peddling lies and being "Goebellian".

He also said that there wasn't "a fibre, a molecule or an atom" of Jeremy Corbyn that is anti-semitic. He pointed out that there was more anti-semitism in Labour under Miliband and that the Jewish lobbies know this and have the data to prove it. A pathetic retort from that wank Sky man was dealt with beautifully. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. The real truth can only be seen by people who ask questions and who think critically.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on February 20, 2019, 06:19:50 PM
George Galloway on Sky News today was brilliant.

He described the mainstream media - specifically The Times and "you", to his interviewer (meaning Sky)  :laughing: - as peddling lies and being "Goebellian".

He also said that there wasn't "a fibre, a molecule or an atom" of Jeremy Corbyn that is anti-semitic. He pointed out that there was more anti-semitism in Labour under Miliband and that the Jewish lobbies know this and have the data to prove it. A pathetic retort from that wank Sky man was dealt with beautifully. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. The real truth can only be seen by people who ask questions and who think critically.

Was it like his 'spat' with Paxman on Election night 2005?
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on February 20, 2019, 06:22:24 PM
Was it like his 'spat' with Paxman on Election night 2005?

Check it out yourself. It's trending on Twitter.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 13, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
That was the best (worst) one yet.

Interviewing the English (and a few Huns) who actually live in Benidorm.

Of course they all want to leave the EU without a deal.

One guy says " This bar would close down if it weren't for the British, that proves that Europe need us more than we need them"


Ignorant arrogant English arsehole, just par for the course.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on March 14, 2019, 06:43:58 AM
That was the best (worst) one yet.

Interviewing the English (and a few Huns) who actually live in Benidorm.

Of course they all want to leave the EU without a deal.

One guy says " This bar would close down if it weren't for the British, that proves that Europe need us more than we need them"


Ignorant arrogant English arsehole, just par for the course.

I saw that interview just after it started and thought they were talking to people in Yorkshire. I was very surprised to discover these people actually live in Spain.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 18, 2019, 04:53:26 PM
One John Bercow
There’s only one John Bercow
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on March 18, 2019, 05:07:12 PM
Aye he's pretty much inserted a stick of dynamite up May's hoop and lit the fuse.

Just wondering now if she will resign and let someone else have a go or else go rogue and they to force through a no deal just to get back at Bercow
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on March 18, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
All he's really done is be the referee who awarded a penalty against Sevco at Ibrox.

Despite it being a stonewaller the Tories are behaving the same as the Huns would.

Did anyone see Andrea Leadsom's face?


Nae Happy
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Post by: Kowalski on March 18, 2019, 09:13:08 PM
Leadsom can get it right up her. Horrible human being.

Fuck knows where all this will end but running down the clock has not worked. There’s been too many (on both sides of the commons) putting their parties first, before the national interest.
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Post by: donsdaft on March 19, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Running down the clock has worked perfectly well, I just hope it doesn't end in a happy Hatchet Face.

John Bercow is a star, May has treated absolutely everyone she has come in contact with with contempt.

They were talking about meaningful vote 4

More bullying, more bribes.

Remember she didn't want parliament to be allowed a vote at all.

Terrified of going back to the country in case she has to face up to the true "will of the people" she just keeps on going.

I wish someone would take her batteries out.
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Post by: RicoS321 on April 24, 2019, 02:31:49 PM
2021. The year that Scotland breaks free.
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Post by: Tyrant on April 24, 2019, 03:03:37 PM
2021. The year that Scotland breaks free.

Nicely put Rico.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: tom_widdows on May 26, 2019, 10:32:24 PM
Turnout in EU elections supposedly up from 4 years back

Farage's horde 'winning' alot in the North of England.  ::)

Scotland so far SNP up 10% on 4 years ago
Farage & co currently on 15% of the vote  ::)
Lib Dems up 5%
Labour taking the bigger kicking so far down nearly 18%
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Post by: Ten Caat on May 27, 2019, 01:03:12 AM
Hefty old (and deserved) boot in the baws for both Tories and Labour.

Tories in 5th place overall  :laughing:
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Post by: rocket_scientist on May 27, 2019, 06:52:04 AM
The conservatives got their worst result since 1832.

Ok, this was MEP voting but the core Tory support is evaporating.

You can't take the piss for this long and expect to get away with it.

Unless the electorate are stupid.

Which they are/were in middle England and NE Scotland.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on June 11, 2019, 07:58:05 AM
The beauty is that the Conservative party are facing their biggest humiliation ever.

Because none of her successors are electable.

They wheeled out many of the ten candidates to succeed May yesterday and they are laughably wrong.

Our own Gove, a NE loon, is mad. How he thinks the UK can vote him into office in a General Election is remarkable. Did he forget how unpopular he was up here? Does he think that career professional arselicking qualifies him for leadership?

Hunt and Hammond are also of the same non-alpha male public schoolboy ilk. These cunts couldn't get anywhere close to gaining support from the electorate.

It's a free run for Boris and that's dangerous. He will win this at a landslide but surely we can't vote for him in a GE? They've conducted an excellent and sustained smear campaign against Corbyn, who's so piss weak he couldn't counter it but it's all gone very wrong at Westminster.
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Post by: donsdaft on June 11, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
The Labour Party have got get shot of Corbyn, but I'm not sure that they can now.

I might have just dreamed this but, the EU extension until 31st October, wasn't there a review somewhere halfway along where the EU could withdraw the extension if they felt nothing was being done?

Nobody's talked about it since so I could have just made it up.

It would be fuckin hilarious if the Guffs were thrown out.
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Post by: RicoS321 on June 11, 2019, 09:42:48 AM
They've conducted an excellent and sustained smear campaign against Corbyn, who's so piss weak he couldn't counter it but it's all gone very wrong at Westminster.

This. In fairness to him, the media - including yer left of centre media (Guardian etc) - have offered him little air time to combat anything. It was notable that his population increased at last election time when he was actually given time to discuss policy. Labour will need far more than that though if they are to win a general election. It's a strange one. I expect a lot of people would support many of Corbyn's policies (many wouldn't, of course). If you replaced Corbyn with Starmer or Thornberry (for example) then you'd lose the policies too I expect; moving central, blurring the lines between Labour and Lib Dems. It gets to the heart of what the purpose of the Labour party is. I don't think it's that nuanced any more. To me, yer Thornberrys and Watsons serve very little purpose - the political candidate equivalent of avoiding the question: "We are not the Torys" being their strongest selling point. I'm not a Labour or Corbyn supporter mind, I just find it intriguing that we/they have such a personal focus on an individual at the expense of what could be a decent set of policies that encapsulate what the Labour party was traditionally set up to represent. If I were a Labour MP and I believed in Corbyn's policies, then I'd be dragging him kicking and screaming over the line if I thought he were incompetent in the understanding that the policies and party were far more important than the leader. That doesn't seem to be happening, which suggests that either the Labour MPs are incapable of doing that or that they don't believe in the policy/manifesto. In reality, no MP should need to be led by anyone if they're even remotely competent as an individual. They should all be leaders. Rather, it seems that they may all be careerists like they're Tory counterparts. Oh well, FPTP anyway; total horseshite.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on June 11, 2019, 09:59:21 AM
This. In fairness to him, the media - including yer left of centre media (Guardian etc) - have offered him little air time to combat anything.

Yes. The reality is that the smear campaign started from day one and it was perpetrated by the media, the whole media and nothing but the media. Which begs the question, who are the media?

They, like the tories are instruments of the "owners of the free world". They are not independent. The press and TV are owned by scum sympathetic to the "globalist" agenda. Proper investigative journalism doesn't exist for the masses, who's imagination doesn't extend beyond the mass media. It's a simple strategy designed to conceal and obfuscate the truth and for the most part, it's worked. Thus far. The screaming gluepots who are up for succeeding May are a step too far though.
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Post by: RicoS321 on June 11, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
But is it as a result of his policies, or the man himself? Can you separate the two and continue with one and not the other? Or would that result in the same coverage, replacing Corbyn with another person. Let's say Jess Phillips took on the Corbyn manifesto. A decent communicator, easily as good as yer best (of 10) Torys in most departments. Would she face the same thing? MacDonald would, obviously, but somebody outwith that - without the history/baggage. Again, it's bizarre that the is even a discussion to be honest. The BBC and it's fucking leader debates have a lot to answer for. At every opportunity it is their responsibility to shout down any comments about the personality and focus on the policy. I don't believe there is huge bias in their coverage, just wholescale incompetence and laziness. They allow themselves to be dictated by the stories in the press rather than take an objective look at the importance of each subject. Never allowing a discussion on a single topic to get deep enough to be understood by the average viewer. More harm than good in my opinion.
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Post by: wee toon red on June 11, 2019, 11:30:21 AM
But is it as a result of his policies, or the man himself? Can you separate the two and continue with one and not the other? Or would that result in the same coverage, replacing Corbyn with another person. Let's say Jess Phillips took on the Corbyn manifesto. A decent communicator, easily as good as yer best (of 10) Torys in most departments. Would she face the same thing? MacDonald would, obviously, but somebody outwith that - without the history/baggage. Again, it's bizarre that the is even a discussion to be honest. The BBC and it's fucking leader debates have a lot to answer for. At every opportunity it is their responsibility to shout down any comments about the personality and focus on the policy. I don't believe there is huge bias in their coverage, just wholescale incompetence and laziness. They allow themselves to be dictated by the stories in the press rather than take an objective look at the importance of each subject. Never allowing a discussion on a single topic to get deep enough to be understood by the average viewer. More harm than good in my opinion.

Agreed. The personification of UK politics began a long time ago but it's gathered pace recently as we move more and more to assuming our position as the 51st state.
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Post by: Kowalski on June 11, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
Dream scenario for me is BoJo winning the leadership contest, immediately facing (and losing) a vote of no confidence in parliament, becoming one of the shortest serving prime ministers ever.  Would be funny as fuck.

I don't think it's beyond possibility.

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Post by: donsdaft on June 11, 2019, 11:58:55 AM
At the moment it's probably odds on.

Would Boris then win the election is the question.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on June 11, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
But is it as a result of his policies, or the man himself? Can you separate the two and continue with one and not the other? Or would that result in the same coverage, replacing Corbyn with another person. Let's say Jess Phillips took on the Corbyn manifesto. A decent communicator, easily as good as yer best (of 10) Torys in most departments. Would she face the same thing? MacDonald would, obviously, but somebody outwith that - without the history/baggage.

As I said, the smear campaign started on day one, as I commented at the time: -

The whiff of decency in a politician and he gets slaughtered in the press.

He speaks sense. He's not an Eton fagboy. He's free to think, unsupported by the establishment.

So the fact that the establishment goes to extraordinary lengths to discredit him proves that independent free commentary is unwelcome.

It's the press and the corporatocracy that has bought power. Only because cunts like Cameron and Miliband and Boris and the rest of them are only interested in self, not community.

Yet the job description demands community. Cunts.

Blair was (supposedly) Labour but they never nobbled him because he was in the pocket of the deep state.

The anti-semitism smears are incredible and love him or loath him, Galloway hit the nail on the head about this.


Again, it's bizarre that the is even a discussion to be honest. The BBC and it's fucking leader debates have a lot to answer for. At every opportunity it is their responsibility to shout down any comments about the personality and focus on the policy. I don't believe there is huge bias in their coverage, just wholescale incompetence and laziness. They allow themselves to be dictated by the stories in the press rather than take an objective look at the importance of each subject. Never allowing a discussion on a single topic to get deep enough to be understood by the average viewer. More harm than good in my opinion.

I think you give the BBC too much leeway and I don't understand why the subject of a non-free press would be a "bizarre" discussion.

It's quite patently NOT "incompetence and laziness". Ok, it's not as obvious as Sky and that Kay Burley cow but the mainstream media - and most definitely including the BBC are owned, bought and paid for by the same interests who don't worry about killing people in pursuit of money.
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Post by: Jute on June 14, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
At the moment it's probably odds on.

Would Boris then win the election is the question.

He would see off the Brexit party in the Tory heartlands and keep the Tory Party together. Whether that will be enough to secure a majority in the House of Commons is a different matter. I would expect him to be a disaster for the Tories in Scotland for example.
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Post by: Ten Caat on June 14, 2019, 03:42:32 PM
He would see off the Brexit party in the Tory heartlands and keep the Tory Party together. Whether that will be enough to secure a majority in the House of Commons is a different matter. I would expect him to be a disaster for the Tories in Scotland for example.

Brexit Party cease to exist once Brexit happens. They are all natural Tory voters and are only protesting at Parliament's inability to deliver on what the referendum demanded they did. They won't want to split the Tory vote thereafter and let someone else in the back door in a subsequent General Election.

Boris as PM I think would be the man to ensure that the UK splits into it's constituent parts. We would definitely go our own way in a referendum and there's talk of a NI referendum being the only way to resolve the Brexit backstop question. With us gone I think there's a reasonable chance that they'd choose to join a united Ireland. Wales will get there in the end too
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Post by: donsdaft on June 14, 2019, 11:46:18 PM
Nah

The Welsh are even bigger cowards than the Scots.
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Post by: RicoS321 on July 23, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
Bojo. Jesus christ.
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Post by: manc_don on July 23, 2019, 08:40:37 PM
Who'd've thought that this day would come. Utter madness.
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Post by: tlg1903 on July 24, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
Really not surprised at all Manc, it's been coming since the eu ref result.
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Post by: tom_widdows on July 24, 2019, 12:35:32 PM
Edging ever closer to 'hobo with a shotgun' territory
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Post by: Tyrant on July 24, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
Who'd've thought that this day would come. Utter madness.


Everyone who voted Yes in 2014 for a start.
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Post by: RicoS321 on July 24, 2019, 01:48:50 PM

Everyone who voted Yes in 2014 for a start.

I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.
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Post by: Ten Caat on July 24, 2019, 01:54:57 PM
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.

I could probably just about stomach it if England had indeed voted for Boris as PM. However it was only 90000 or so Tory party members who have voted him as such
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Post by: Tyrant on July 26, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.


Give yourself more credit min. Your worst case scenario prediction came true.  :'(
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Post by: rocket_scientist on July 26, 2019, 01:35:15 PM
I voted Yes, but I only ever used the "England could even vote for Boris Johnson as PM and there's nothing Scotland could do to stop it" as a ridiculous example that would never actually come true.

When and where did you give this "ridiculous example"?
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Post by: rocket_scientist on July 28, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
This was quality.

https://brexitcentral.com/some-more-friendly-advice-from-me-for-boris-johnson/

Written by Austin Mitchell.

The next few weeks will see an outpouring of advice for Boris Johnson. All the commentators who’ve spent the last few weeks denouncing him as a walking disaster, womaniser and serial liar will rush to tell him to redeem himself by doing what they want. Which makes me, as someone impartially opposed to his politics, who found him good fun and a chance for a new start in our deadlocked nation, feel justified in offering my more friendly advice.

Britain’s only human politician who finds himself in a deep hole deserves it. A new Prime Minister will have a short honeymoon before the carping commentariat get back to grinding their axes. Anyone is better than Theresa, and it will be nice to have a human in charge instead of a badly-programmed robot. The Conservative Party will rally round with its usual mixture of loyalty and and grovelling servility. The electorate will like a new start out of a deadlock which frustrates them. So use that happy period – the only one you’ll get now that misery has become the national mood – to make a real new start and rally the people. They’re fed up with bickering deadlock and the long rearguard action of the recalcitrant Remainers. They can’t see why nothing has been done about their vote to Leave. A new Prime Minister and a new Government can’t be doomed to pushing Theresa’s deal for a fourth time. It’s dead, deceased, and inoperable. So it’s right to demand a new negotiation from the EU which they’ll probably refuse, saying Theresa’s is as far as they’ll go. That puts them on the wrong foot. React by doing the old Macmillan trick: announce the end of austerity, more borrowing and turn the spigots on to boost the economy. Then call an early election. That makes it shit or bust, but the lesson of Gordon Brown is that it’s better than struggling on with no majority and no mandate. A government with a majority of two can’t carry on. You have no alternative. The Remainers are wrong footed and (for the moment at least) Labour is in a mess which can’t be cleared up quickly.

A leader determined on Brexit can undercut Farage’s party, while the Lib Dems are still tainted by the Coalition and their support for the euro. The excitement would delay the onslaught of carping which builds as the honeymoon ends. Denounce the intransigence of the EU. Show that “No Deal” would be its fault, ask for the nation’s backing for a fair deal, wave the patriotic banner, bash Corbyn and Boris can win. Then go back to the EU with new proposals which should include a promise never to impose a customs border in Northern Ireland, leaving them free to incur the odium if they want to. Add in a dollop of criticism of the damage agricultural protectionism does to developing countries, a promise of full rights to EU migrants who can support themselves and whatever covert trade deals we’ve been able to arrange against EU rules. Don’t threaten overtly not to pay Theresa’s ransom money – that will only unite them; just keep it covert, indicating that we’ve got to be prosperous to pay up. That’s a high-risk strategy. But Boris is a risk-taker and what’s the alternative? Only humiliating rejection by a stultifying EU, a long, whimpering failure as the country slumps back into bickering decline and a fun Prime Minister turns pathetic.
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Post by: donsdaft on July 30, 2019, 12:57:13 PM
Yass min, fuck you Trump

https://youtu.be/7wzco5geQFo
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Post by: rocket_scientist on August 28, 2019, 02:09:45 PM
I must say that I admire the bomb that Boris has thrown into the room. By prorogating Parliament, he's taking a risk for sure but it's a calculated one and I think he could pull it off. For a start, the opposition are so weak and the whingeing likes of Corbyn and Sturgeon et al cut no statesmen mustard. Also, the overall trust in politicians has never been lower so for someone to act firmly and decisively, as if they know what they're doing, is something radical in the modern era. I think the people will be all for it.
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Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2019, 08:38:58 AM
I must say that I admire the bomb that Boris has thrown into the room. By prorogating Parliament, he's taking a risk for sure but it's a calculated one and I think he could pull it off. For a start, the opposition are so weak and the whingeing likes of Corbyn and Sturgeon et al cut no statesmen mustard. Also, the overall trust in politicians has never been lower so for someone to act firmly and decisively, as if they know what they're doing, is something radical in the modern era. I think the people will be all for it.

What does that (bold) even mean? Boris projects a bumbling idiot. Is that statesmanlike? Does it still matter?

It's certainly interesting gamesmanship. It's difficult to tell whether people will think he's acting decisively or if he's hiding from parliament like he (correctly) hid from the interviews in the leadership contest. I suspect whatever the Sun and the Mail class it as will be the line most people take. I can see a general election being the outcome. Whether it will be pre 31/10 will be the only key element.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on August 29, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
A leader that people can trust is the most important thing that matters when it comes to winning the next General Election. Given how weak the opposition are, I can't see anything but a Boris landslide. Farage's party are now an irrelevance as Boris is as anti-EU as their party name, the only mandate they stand on. By citing crime, health, education, living standards etc., he's projecting "getting on with it", something Theresa Robot was spectacularly inept in. In order to "get on with it", he needs a mandate and support and so he WANTS a General Election the sooner the better. Corbyn is dead. He had a chance but he blew it. Labour are unelectable, in that there is zero chance that England will return them as the majority party. Boris's high profile endorser, Trump, has rewritten the rules. Time will tell if their policies bear fruit but the one thing that is certain is that they've become the only vote winners in their respective sorry races.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on August 29, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
One huge benefit of this has been the elimination of Ruth Davidson. So much for party politics, she allowed a personality clash to ruin her "career". She's another weak as piss professional politician who has nothing to say, never having had an original thought in its life. Good riddance.
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Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2019, 10:00:03 AM
A leader that people can trust is the most important thing that matters when it comes to winning the next General Election.

BJ is a demonstrable liar and charlatan. He should not be trusted based on his previous record. If someone told him tomorrow that revoking article 50 would gaurantee him an election victory, he'd do it. He is principleless. I agree with you about Davidson, and I'd argue that Johnson and Trump are the perfect extrapolation of that politician that we've been heading towards for years. They don't bother with truth or consistency, they don't bother even attempting to hide the fact that they are liars. They don't even bother to bluster around the awkward questions, because they know that it doesn't matter. It's impressive.


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Given how weak the opposition are, I can't see anything but a Boris landslide. Farage's party are now an irrelevance as Boris is as anti-EU as their party name, the only mandate they stand on. By citing crime, health, education, living standards etc., he's projecting "getting on with it", something Theresa Robot was spectacularly inept in. In order to "get on with it", he needs a mandate and support and so he WANTS a General Election the sooner the better. Corbyn is dead. He had a chance but he blew it. Labour are unelectable, in that there is zero chance that England will return them as the majority party. Boris's high profile endorser, Trump, has rewritten the rules. Time will tell if their policies bear fruit but the one thing that is certain is that they've become the only vote winners in their respective sorry races.

I think you could be right. I don't see a landslide for Boris as there are enough people that hate him, but the biggest minority and easily able to form a majority.
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Post by: rocket_scientist on August 29, 2019, 10:14:50 AM
BJ is a demonstrable liar and charlatan. He should not be trusted based on his previous record.

What previous record? That he made shit up when working for the Guardian? Who cares?

It doesn't matter what you and I think. You're right in that personality politics (and celebrity culture) means that we've got the political climate that we were inevitably heading for but when we have such a void of good, honest, electable people to choose from, this is what we get. The sheeple want a shepherd and Trump and Boris come across as being more capable than any other BECAUSE of their bluster. The people have been dumbed down so far now that truth and principles don't matter as much as "shepherding". He talks tough ergo he's the right man. It's a world gone nuts.
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Post by: RicoS321 on August 29, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
What previous record? That he made shit up when working for the Guardian? Who cares?

It was the telegraph I think, but no, his record as a politician and as mayor (and probably his entire life).

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It doesn't matter what you and I think. You're right in that personality politics (and celebrity culture) means that we've got the political climate that we were inevitably heading for but when we have such a void of good, honest, electable people to choose from, this is what we get. The sheeple want a shepherd and Trump and Boris come across as being more capable than any other BECAUSE of their bluster. The people have been dumbed down so far now that truth and principles don't matter as much as "shepherding". He talks tough ergo he's the right man. It's a world gone nuts.

Aye, that's about it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on August 29, 2019, 12:56:38 PM
Don't think we have seen the last of Davidson. I suspect she will give up her seat at the next Scottish elections and spend a few years raising her son. She's still very young politics wise and I think she will reappear in 6 or 7 years parachuted into a safe Tory seat in southern England and may very well end up leader of the Tories in 10/12 years.

For now, I fully expect Boris to call an election for November as a way of breaking the impasse over Brexit. He'll lose a handful of seats up here (between 3 and 5 I suspect) but more than make up for it down south as disaffected Leave voters with incumbent Labour MP's but in constituencies that voted Leave take their revenge. In the interim, we will leave without a deal as the Norn Irn backstop issue just doesn't have a satisfactory short term resolution right now. May well lead to a return of a hard border for a time and expect a concomitant return of terrorist action. Longer term, a plebiscite will be held and the 2 Irelands will reunite (which I suspect is Boris' ideal outcome anyway).
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Post by: Kowalski on August 29, 2019, 01:18:29 PM
Don't think we have seen the last of Davidson. I suspect she will give up her seat at the next Scottish elections and spend a few years raising her son. She's still very young politics wise and I think she will reappear in 6 or 7 years parachuted into a safe Tory seat in southern England and may very well end up leader of the Tories in 10/12 years.

For now, I fully expect Boris to call an election for November as a way of breaking the impasse over Brexit. He'll lose a handful of seats up here (between 3 and 5 I suspect) but more than make up for it down south as disaffected Leave voters with incumbent Labour MP's but in constituencies that voted Leave take their revenge. In the interim, we will leave without a deal as the Norn Irn backstop issue just doesn't have a satisfactory short term resolution right now. May well lead to a return of a hard border for a time and expect a concomitant return of terrorist action. Longer term, a plebiscite will be held and the 2 Irelands will reunite (which I suspect is Boris' ideal outcome anyway).

Agree with some of this but Davidson has shafted Boris, they might lose all their seats North of the Border, and all seats will probably go to the SNP and Lib Dems.  Happy days.  South of the border there will be alliances between remain parties which will minimise the damage that these Eton cunts could do to the country.  They might be leading in the polls but I just can't see them getting a majority at all.

That said, I think a vote of no confidence followed by temporary government (possibly not with Corbyn at the helm) and extension of Brexit date is most likely option.  Unless a legal move is successful.
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Post by: Tyrant on August 29, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
Agree with some of this but Davidson has shafted Boris, they might lose all their seats North of the Border, and all seats will probably go to the SNP and Lib Dems.  Happy days.  South of the border there will be alliances between remain parties which will minimise the damage that these Eton cunts could do to the country.  They might be leading in the polls but I just can't see them getting a majority at all.

That said, I think a vote of no confidence followed by temporary government (possibly not with Corbyn at the helm) and extension of Brexit date is most likely option.  Unless a legal move is successful.

You know what would have minimised the damage those Eton cunts can do to our country? Not voting against Scottish independence.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on August 30, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Boris playing a blinder here.

For reasons most wouldn't understand.

Fuck the people and fuck the politicians.

Boris has the right vision.

Farage and Trump see the truth too.
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Post by: wee toon red on August 31, 2019, 03:21:12 PM
Boris playing a blinder here.

For reasons most wouldn't understand.

Fuck the people and fuck the politicians.

Boris has the right vision.

Farage and Trump see the truth too.

The only truth that any of those arseholes understand is that there are enough ignorant racists in their respective electorates who will happily go along with their lies to elect them.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 02, 2019, 05:10:32 PM
Well I would much rather have had another referendum, but if it’s an election then it’s an election.
Hopefully the brain dead English proletariat find something on the telly that keeps them at home this next election day.
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Post by: Kowalski on September 02, 2019, 06:41:11 PM
It’s all about the election. Cummings will lose BoJo everything.
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Post by: Elgindon on September 03, 2019, 12:23:01 PM
If we've got time for an election would it not be simpler to allow us a vote on the type of Brexit we want instead?  eg,No deal,....May's deal,...a n other deal. Too simplistic. ? More democratic,keeps the sleekit manouvering out of it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
I wonder how many of the English protester Stop Brexit eccentrics have done their due diligence?

I wonder if the SNP have done the maths either?

As they all have such a definite position, they can't have failed to.

Why don't they just lay out how not paying the unelected EU cunts £50m a day will harm us? They know that leaving the EU will be a "disaster" and yet they don't explain how the implications of exiting will cost more than £350m per week?

As for that Aidan lawyer cunt, what an embarrassment to Scotland. Bet he stinks. The government are taking control to get the job done, to deliver what the people voted for. The SNP are getting this very wrong. Independence should be from England AND from the EU.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 03, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
Boris treating what's happening later today/tomorrow as a confidence vote thus allowing him to call an election. And what I'm finding utterly bizarre is that quite a number of Labour MP's who have been on TV today are saying that they'll vote down having an election (apparently under the new rules two thirds of MP's must vote in favour of an election for it to happen outwith the Fixed Term Parliament arrangements).

I couldn't envisage a better time for Labour. The Brexit Party will be fielding candidates in most constituencies down south and will cream off some of the natural Tory vote and could allow Labour (or Lib Dem) to sneak wins in constituencies which up to now wouldn't even be considered marginal.

Big winners  in all this are the SNP who will increase their number of MP's and still have a mandate for a new referendum when Britain inevitably does leave the EU via whatever method it happens under.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 02:07:12 PM
I couldn't envisage a better time for Labour.

This is because you fail to see that Corbyn's stock has turned to shit. The man is unelectable, even by the non-thinking classes who always vote the way their parents told them to (on both sides).

It wasn't just the unfair hatchet job (by the media and other vested interests), it's because he's a cardigan with zero leadership qualities.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 02:12:42 PM
Paxman did a programme on why are our politicians so crap. One thing that proved the stupidity of the electorate was when he put blue and rosettes on these pigs. They were BIG fuck-off pigs by the way. Something like two thirds of all the 650+ constituencies keep getting voted in the same, the safe seats for over 60 or 70 years or something.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on September 03, 2019, 02:21:28 PM
Boris treating what's happening later today/tomorrow as a confidence vote thus allowing him to call an election. And what I'm finding utterly bizarre is that quite a number of Labour MP's who have been on TV today are saying that they'll vote down having an election (apparently under the new rules two thirds of MP's must vote in favour of an election for it to happen outwith the Fixed Term Parliament arrangements).

I couldn't envisage a better time for Labour. The Brexit Party will be fielding candidates in most constituencies down south and will cream off some of the natural Tory vote and could allow Labour (or Lib Dem) to sneak wins in constituencies which up to now wouldn't even be considered marginal.

Big winners  in all this are the SNP who will increase their number of MP's and still have a mandate for a new referendum when Britain inevitably does leave the EU via whatever method it happens under.


Not convinced that's true. I had a look at the poll data earlier today. Admittedly I didn't look closely at every constituency but of those I did Unionist parties (Labour/Tories/Lib Dem/ and let's assume Brexit too) outnumber pro Indy parties (SNP and Greens). Indy still seems a depressingly long way off.

I'm patiently waiting to find out Sturgeon's plan. I admit I'm starting to wonder if she even has one. I thought the same about Corbyn. I assumed incorrectly for a long time that he had a plan. He didn't. He's a fucking chocolate teapot. I hope Sturgeon isn't the same. The SNP must promise to disband in the event of a Yes vote.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 02:29:04 PM
Sturgeon is an unpleasant wee wifie. The only thing I agree with her on is independence from Westminster. It's because she's so shite that a record no. of Scots voted Tory in the last GE. I mean, Ruth D, David M and Jackson C? These are the worst "Scots" in living memory. Let alone the man molesting NE Ross cunt. Poof.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on September 03, 2019, 02:57:38 PM

Not convinced that's true. I had a look at the poll data earlier today. Admittedly I didn't look closely at every constituency but of those I did Unionist parties (Labour/Tories/Lib Dem/ and let's assume Brexit too) outnumber pro Indy parties (SNP and Greens). Indy still seems a depressingly long way off.

I'm patiently waiting to find out Sturgeon's plan. I admit I'm starting to wonder if she even has one. I thought the same about Corbyn. I assumed incorrectly for a long time that he had a plan. He didn't. He's a fucking chocolate teapot. I hope Sturgeon isn't the same. The SNP must promise to disband in the event of a Yes vote.

To be fair to Sturgeon, she really has to let this Brexit mess play itself out and she has to be seen to be against a no deal, even though that would be the quickest way to independence. The problem that both Corbyn and Sturgeon have is that the date keeps getting kicked down the road. The longer the impasse on Brexit, the more the [remain] electorate get pissed off with Sturgeon and Corbyn for not doing anything - despite the fact that there is absolutely nothing they can do outwith power and anything they do actually do will be used against them. They're both sitting waiting for the Tories to fuck it all up, but the longer you do that, the more people think that you are dithering. It doesn't help that we've had three years of minute-by-minute coverage.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
To be fair to Sturgeon, she really has to let this Brexit mess play itself out and she has to be seen to be against a no deal, even though that would be the quickest way to independence.

The only way that she CAN be against no deal is if she KNOWS that this would be counterproductive to our interests.

We know that she's against it. We don't know why she is so anti because she has failed to spell it out, beyond the "loss of jobs" and other lines she spins, none of which has been backed up. Why is her crystal ball so robust, one might ask?

She's against Brexit full stop of course. My guess is that she is taking the opportunity to play party politics. If she genuinely wants a Scotland free from England but remaining in the EU, God help us. More than a third of us in Scotland voted out of the EU. The other 62%, including my own children, are too stupid to be allowed a vote on this issue.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on September 03, 2019, 03:58:06 PM
The only way that she CAN be against no deal is if she KNOWS that this would be counterproductive to our interests.

We know that she's against it. We don't know why she is so anti because she has failed to spell it out, beyond the "loss of jobs" and other lines she spins, none of which has been backed up. Why is her crystal ball so robust, one might ask?

She's against Brexit full stop of course. My guess is that she is taking the opportunity to play party politics. If she genuinely wants a Scotland free from England but remaining in the EU, God help us. More than a third of us in Scotland voted out of the EU. The other 62%, including my own children, are too stupid to be allowed a vote on this issue.

Obviously you can't back up "loss of jobs" other than by predicting what you would do if you were in a UK company's shoes that has no physical reason to be in the UK (banking v O&G for example). There's no science behind it, just forecast. If it were me, I'd move my company to the EU (my company relies on UK business, so not possible), for obvious logical reasons. Any employees of mine would be, thus, canned. It's basic business sense if your market is the EU or the US or China and if you're responsible to shareholders then you'd have to have a damned good reason for not moving. The thing about no deal is that it isn't just: 1st November - done. There will be a deal, because that is how trade is done globally these days whether you or I like it (I don't) or need it (I don't). Until the point a deal is done, an existing business has to jump through additional hoops under WTO that didn't exist previously. The charlatan will then have to negotiate his fantastic new deal with 27 new countries, which will take him a fucking age because he's an inept charlatan cunt and so are his surrounding Tory cunts. Sure as fuck I wouldn't be hanging around as a company for the shitfest of a deal that the EU let him have at the end of it. Given the fact that WTO rules require a border with another "trading bloc" (nae really what the EU is, but it deals as such) then it's likely that only a temporary waiver will be given before Ireland is split in two, with the knock on effect that the US will tell us to go and fuck ourselves for ruining the good Friday agreement (easier to blame us than the EU). Either way, a deal with the US isn't an overnight thing. WTO shouldn't be an issue there for normal business cunts like you or me, but some of the big companies I work for will happily walk [from the UK] if the EU gets a trade deal with Canada, the US or China whilst still being on WTO with the others as its just good business sense. So very, very likely that there will be job losses and very likely that they will be significant. Good opportunities too, of course, just not likely as significant in the 5 -10 year time. In my opinion, job-losses shouldn't be a reason not to pursue Brexit. You can choose to look after your unemployed or not, it's rare that you get the opportunity to re-define your political make-up (I don't believe that is what existing Brexit does).   
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 03, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
🇪🇺
Nobody takes my European citizenship away from me.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 03, 2019, 05:14:35 PM
🇪🇺
Nobody takes my European citizenship away from me.

The one that we weren't born with?

The "citizenship" that creates jobs... for unelected Europeans in Europe.

A membership of a project that is designed to exploit you and me?

To the tune of £50,000,000 a day for those of us who are British.

And we ARE British because the Scots were too stupid to vote for independence.


Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 03, 2019, 05:32:17 PM
My children were all born European citizens.

Government is run by unelected civil servants, no change there.

Can’t ever remember being allowed to vote for my head of state, don’t think I will ever get the chance.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 03, 2019, 05:33:56 PM
I’m proud of being European.
If I’m British then it’s completely against my will.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on September 03, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
So 21 tory MPs 'rebelled' against Boris and apparenlty all have now effectivelly been expelled from the Party
Cancels out the DUP and a large chunk of the scottish tories.

All 13 Scottish Tories voted for him.....  :tumbleweed:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 04, 2019, 08:43:25 AM
They'll be out of a job soon enough.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 04, 2019, 09:04:04 AM
I hate the Tories but expelling Churchill’s grandson around the 80th anniversary of WWII. Really?

Opposition need to stick to their guns and not vote for a GE.
A vote of no confidence followed by some sort of interim government would be the preferred and funniest outcome.

Cummings the master tactician  :D
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: RicoS321 on September 04, 2019, 09:09:44 AM
I hate the Tories but expelling Churchill’s grandson around the 80th anniversary of WWII. Really?

Should he have been spared because of who he is? That would be the most Tory thing ever.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 04, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
Should he have been spared because of who he is? That would be the most Tory thing ever.

Well he should’ve been spared for standing up for what he believes in. But it just seems odd - Boris claims Churchill is his hero.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on September 04, 2019, 12:25:53 PM
Fuck Churchill AND his grandson.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on September 04, 2019, 12:29:12 PM
The only way that she CAN be against no deal is if she KNOWS that this would be counterproductive to our interests.

We know that she's against it. We don't know why she is so anti because she has failed to spell it out, beyond the "loss of jobs" and other lines she spins, none of which has been backed up. Why is her crystal ball so robust, one might ask?

She's against Brexit full stop of course. My guess is that she is taking the opportunity to play party politics. If she genuinely wants a Scotland free from England but remaining in the EU, God help us. More than a third of us in Scotland voted out of the EU. The other 62%, including my own children, are too stupid to be allowed a vote on this issue.


There was a report published into the effect of Brexit on Scotland. This was well publicised at the time. I assume that's what she's referring to.

Who are these unelected that you refer to? Didn't we go to the polls recently to elect our MEPs? I hear this point made a lot and I'm not sure who it refers to.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 04, 2019, 08:09:17 PM
Barnier, Juncker, the EMF and ECB cunts and thousands like them are all unelected people who's actions have direct effects and consequences on the lives of real people. Farage has been fighting them for a very long time in the European Parliament, and "unelected bureaucrats" is the term he frequently uses.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 04, 2019, 08:13:39 PM
Boris playing a blinder here.

For reasons most wouldn't understand.

Fuck the people and fuck the politicians.

Boris has the right vision.

Farage and Trump see the truth too.

They say a day is a long time in politics.

I've lost track of the mind belonging to the PM. He's possibly lost the plot completely.

Corbyn's speech just now was the best he's ever delivered. There may be life in the old dog. At least in blocking and thwarting others, if not so much in original thoughts and decisive leadership.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on September 04, 2019, 09:03:50 PM
His demeanour over the last couple of days smacks of someone who has never been properly challenged or been told 'NO' in his entire life.
I don't know how being Mayor of London works but it seems to me as if he went through that never having a decision challenged - His garden bridge and 'boris island' airport plans costing a pretty penny which is still being paid for long after he fucked off.
Ken Clarke really stuck the boot in and it was great to watch
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 04, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
His demeanour over the last couple of days smacks of someone who has never been properly challenged or been told 'NO' in his entire life.
I don't know how being Mayor of London works but it seems to me as if he went through that never having a decision challenged - His garden bridge and 'boris island' airport plans costing a pretty penny which is still being paid for long after he fucked off.
Ken Clarke really stuck the boot in and it was great to watch

Agreed. Good observation too, it was indeed a thwarted spoiled brat he came across as.

He's also clearly not as smart as he thinks he is, although that would have been impossible of course.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 04, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
Ken Clarke was fantastic. And BoJo is making Corbyn look like a leader!!

I had some box sets to catch up on but this has been great stuff to watch.

Fucking anarchic House of Lords doing their best to kill off the bill. Surely most of them will need some sleep at their age.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 07, 2019, 09:34:27 PM
Amber Rudd walks.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tom_widdows on September 07, 2019, 09:55:01 PM
Conservative 'majority' is now -45

On average he is losing 7 MPs a week. Keep that rate up and by Mid October Labour will be the biggest party.

Meanwhile at todays pro-brexit protest/ rally (coincidence that England were playing this afternoon?)

Quote
'About 200 people joined a pro-Brexit demonstration organised by the Democratic Football Lads Alliance, while the anti-Brexit group March for Change held its own protest.'
  :tumbleweed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K7YPxF7ka8
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 08, 2019, 09:06:59 AM
Yip, that's what people around Europe think of when they think England.

Football fans
Stag nights
Brexit supporters
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on September 08, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
I'd label that with the English speaking section of Europe DD. I've seen Irish behave like pricks, likewise Scots, but obviously proportionally, the English are worse as there's more of them. Welsh, well no-one cares or even knows about them.

But i've also seen the Dutch act like cunts abroad too.

What an awful name for the pro-brexiteers though. They really aren't the sharpest tools are they.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 11, 2019, 12:57:39 PM
Misleading the Queen is untenable. Even some of the happy clappers that read the Daily Mail will be alarmed at that.

He’s fucked.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 11, 2019, 05:07:15 PM
I'll reserve judgement to see what happens when it goes before the UK Supreme Court next week. This could end up not only with Parliament in turmoil but also the UK wide judiciary if they go against the Scottish decision.

Whatever happens, the Party Conferences are about to swing into action and so nothing will happen in the interim. I've never understood why these conferences have to take place in Parliamentary time. Surely to god they could take place in the summer recess...…...MP's get quite enough holiday allocation as it is.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 25, 2019, 01:12:54 PM
The first hour and a half of the resumed Parliament has proved what most of us have long suspected.

Our political system is failing because of the appalling quality of its inhabitants. The lawyer proportion of our MP's is a disproportionate ratio of the population and as usual, the lawyers self-interests are more important to them than the public interest.

The Attorney General is a prick, fat-headed and of disgusting nature, an archetypal nature fashioned and honed by the educational institutions that separate them from us and which entrenches the political elite. Their senses of superiority and entitlement are shockingly apparent and patently paradoxical against the actual roles of public servants.

Geoffrey Cox is right on two things however; this parliament is "dead" (as he pronounces) and leaving the EU is what we must do.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on September 25, 2019, 01:32:50 PM
At last, some decency and purpose in the House of Commons today, rather than the bollocks hitherto. Thanks to Layla Moran bringing up the grant given to Jennifer Arcuri, facilitated by Boris. Yet another example of the corrupt nature of the public schoolboys who run England and hopefully an example that will nail this particular charlatan.

Let's face it, Boris is a fat bumbling bastard and Arcuri is an ugly old cunt of gold-digging nature with big tits. The suggestion that £100k of public funds were misappropriated in order that he could get his leg over is as tragic as it is comic, pathos being the foremost sentiment.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Kowalski on September 26, 2019, 03:00:00 PM
I can see what BoJo is trying to do with this people vs parliament/establishment thing.  I think a significant proportion (presumably leave voters) will buy into it and it will be backed by the Daily Mail and the Sun etc..., but Corbyn (for all his faults) was correct to say the establisment is actually the Tory front bench and many many people realise this, so I think the people vs establishment could backfire (if there is an election soon and BoJo is still PM).

I agree Corbyn is hopeless.  I think Labour would be miles ahead in the polls if somebody like Starmer was leader.  That said I don't think the polls are going to matter a huge amount at the next election as there is going to be a massive push for tactical voting and I think the Tories will be in trouble - and particularly I wouldn't be surprised if BoJo himself loses his seat.  I expect the SNP and Lib Dems (in England) to pick up a lot of seats.  Quite where Farage fits in I am not sure, surely the Tories will need to do a deal or they will be truly fucked if they have not delivered Brexit (which they won't have) by the election.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Ten Caat on September 26, 2019, 04:42:27 PM
Read the other day that John McDonnell thinks Labour's next leader should be female and that they have lots of talented females well capable of doing it. Fuck that. Emily Thornberry I wouldn't trust to make a cheese and pickle sandwich without causing food poisoning. Diane Abbot? Barely knows what day of the week it is. Rebecca Long-Bailey....professional coat tail hanger on. Shami Chakrabarti...........tainted by political correctness and an ocean-going sense of self entitlement. As for Dawn Butler......words fail me.

The 2 women who really do impress me in the party are Chi Onwura and Lisa Nandy, both backbenchers but with the correct mix of education, personality and most of all realism to do the job effectively. Sadly neither will even be quoted as a contender. Corbyn will suffer a humiliating defeat in the forthcoming election, he will certainly finish second in number of seats as usual but I suspect the Lib Dems will actually gain a bigger total vote (doing their claims to adopt proportional representation no harm).  Of all the Shadow Cabinet, Starmer seems the only one with the credentials to take over the hot-seat once Corbyn stands down as he surely will.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on September 27, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
Read the other day that John McDonnell thinks Labour's next leader should be female and that they have lots of talented females well capable of doing it. Fuck that. Emily Thornberry I wouldn't trust to make a cheese and pickle sandwich without causing food poisoning. Diane Abbot? Barely knows what day of the week it is. Rebecca Long-Bailey....professional coat tail hanger on. Shami Chakrabarti...........tainted by political correctness and an ocean-going sense of self entitlement. As for Dawn Butler......words fail me.

The 2 women who really do impress me in the party are Chi Onwura and Lisa Nandy, both backbenchers but with the correct mix of education, personality and most of all realism to do the job effectively. Sadly neither will even be quoted as a contender. Corbyn will suffer a humiliating defeat in the forthcoming election, he will certainly finish second in number of seats as usual but I suspect the Lib Dems will actually gain a bigger total vote (doing their claims to adopt proportional representation no harm).  Of all the Shadow Cabinet, Starmer seems the only one with the credentials to take over the hot-seat once Corbyn stands down as he surely will.

I think when Labour lose the next election the party will switch back to the right and some Blair follower will take over the hotseat, I suspect Watson may well make a pitch for it.

I don't see any upcoming politicians from any party that are worth a fuck, all I see are nodding dogs in suits/dresses who stick to the party line.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: donsdaft on September 27, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
 Rebecca Long-Bailey.


The name make a shiver of revulsion run down my back.

Dianne Abbot, always unpleasant to look at, no longer looks alive.
I wonder how she voted on the public school abolition, give that she sent her own son to one?

Labour party may be fucked for good.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Elgindon on October 02, 2019, 06:34:07 PM
 Kepp your eye out for this new party in the US. The Democratic Socialists

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1AXReZgFxw
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: manc_don on October 04, 2019, 08:15:13 PM
We've got a labour coalition government here, which was needed after 9 years of National (conservatives) neglect and corruption. The latter party are now appearing to base themselved on trumpies and the tory cunts. God help us, election is still a year away and the amount of misinformation they churn out is disgusting. People are stupid and will believe it.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: TheDeeDon on October 04, 2019, 10:50:23 PM
I see the tories won a council seat in Aberdeen yesterday which I found a bit worrying.

Years ago you may have said that people vote for the person at a local level and not the party, but I don't believe this to be the case anymore. I reckon people who still want to vote tory after recent events really need their heads looking at.

You just know when an election is called they are still going to be the biggest party. I only hope the next time we get the chance to split from the UK we grab it with both hands and don't bottle it like 2014, but sadly I still think the majority will still believe the lies.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rumpus2 on October 08, 2019, 06:39:05 PM
^ Well said.

Sooner we get away from Westminster the better.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 15, 2019, 04:02:54 PM
Brilliant speech by Sturgeon in Aberdeen right now.

Scotland MUST be independent.

Shame on the North East for voting against it AND returning a record number of Tories.

The difference between us and them is planetary.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: rocket_scientist on October 21, 2019, 12:58:41 PM
People representing an MP or MSP chapped my door today. I didn't catch the name but I asked what party. She said Conservative. I wasn't rude, she'd already said they weren't "campaigning" (so what the fuck were they doing) but I hope that my "no sorry, I'm violently opposed to anything Tory" before I shut the door took away a bit of her sunshine from this glorious NE day.
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: Tyrant on October 21, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Nice one Rocket. I've yet to have the pleasure of any cunt political turning up at my door whilst I'm in. Plenty pikeys offering lock block paving though.  :hammer:
Title: Re: DT Politics Thread
Post by: tlg1903 on October 22, 2019, 05:19:53 PM
Missed opportunity imo, I ever get a Yoon party coming to my door they will be getting invited in whilst I pose as a floating voter.  Waste as much of the cunts time as you can because it could stop them influencing someone else.