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Title: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on December 22, 2011, 08:29:36 PM
Got be Cavendish for me. Staggering performance this year and probably one of the best sprinters ever in world of cycling.
 
Apart from him Darren Clarke for his Open win and unlike the other two golfers probably won't have another shot at it. Also Mo Farrah for over coming the Africans and winning Britain's first middle distance gold in a generation.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: Kowalski on December 22, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
Mo Farah for me.

Andy Murray never turns up these things  :D
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: Kowalski on December 22, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
It's been mince, but Eddie Turnbull was in the obituaries bit.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: glasgow sheep on December 22, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
I'm not sure if it was better when the bbc actually had sport to show but it's been like this for years.
 
Would never have predicted that my hoped for top three would actually be voted in by the British public.
Correct winner I think.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: manc_don on December 22, 2011, 10:52:03 PM
Agreed, Cavendish has had a great year. Only caught the tail end of it. Decent watch?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 22, 2011, 11:23:17 PM
No not a decent watch at all. Only reason I watched it for the first time in ages was to see the Walker Cup team who were told that they had been nominated for Team of the Year. But they weren't one of the 3 teams??? Man U, Wales rugby and the faggots who won, English cricket. Shite programme but for the Lifetime award for SSRedgrave. Cavendish is another awesome athlete though.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: CtS on December 23, 2011, 12:58:02 AM
Team of the year was bang on IMO opinion, the English cricketers had an incredible year. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Coach and overseas awards were spot on too, as was the top 3 in the main event.

I'd love to bone Sue Barker.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: Superstar Tradesman on December 23, 2011, 08:28:29 AM
Cillian Sheridan would be my vote.

Bundle of joy that he is.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: BigAl on December 23, 2011, 09:53:35 AM

I'd love to bone Sue Barker.


Sally's seconds....ah that is disgusting mate ::)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: Kowalski on December 23, 2011, 10:10:10 AM
Spot the unhappy one...

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/12/22/208845-three-top-sportsperson.jpg)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: glasgow sheep on December 23, 2011, 10:47:52 AM
Amazed Cav win by so much, didn't credit the British public with the ability or knowledge:

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THE TOP TEN
Mark Cavendish 169,152 (49.47%)
Darren Clarke 42,188 (12.34%)
Mo Farah 29,780 (8.71%)
Luke Donald 23,854 (6.98%)
Andy Murray 18,754 (5.48%)
Andrew Strauss 17,994 (5.26%)
Alastair Cook 13,038 (3.81%)
Rory McIlroy 11,915 (3.48%)
Dai Greene 9,022 (2.64%)
Amir Khan 6,262 (1.83%)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: tlg1903 on December 23, 2011, 11:54:35 AM
just dont care about this at all.  I hate that its called personality instead of person too
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 23, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
Amazed Cav win by so much, didn't credit the British public with the ability or knowledge:
The bookies got it right @ 4/11 for Cavendish. I don't get how they can be THAT certain for a phone poll.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality 2011
Post by: Tyrant on January 04, 2012, 09:22:33 AM
So has it got anything at all to do with their personality or have I got the wrong end of the stick?  ???

Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on September 11, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
So this year will be interesting.  Apparently current odds:

B Wiggins 5/4
M Farah 9/4
A Murray 5/2
J Ennis 8/1
D Weir 20/1
E Simmonds 35/1
R McIlroy 100/1
C Hoy 100/1
S Storey 100/1

I'd go:
Murray, Wiggins, Farah, McIlroy, Ennis, Hoy
That order
maybe
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on September 11, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Only 4 Scots have won before, can you name them (without help from Google or Wiki)?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on September 11, 2012, 01:25:42 PM
Can see Murray doing it, with a lot of Scots voting.

Personally think it should be between Murray, Farah and Weir.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: mizer on September 11, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
Only 4 Scots have won before, can you name them (without help from Google or Wiki)?

Darren Mackie?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: bloo_toon_red on September 11, 2012, 01:31:14 PM
Only 4 Scots have won before, can you name them (without help from Google or Wiki)?

Stephen Hendry
Kenny Dalglish
Jocky Wilson
Jackie Stewart
?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on September 11, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
Stephen Hendry
Kenny Dalglish
Jocky Wilson
Jackie Stewart
?

1 out 4
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: dickofthedons on September 11, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
99% sure Stephen Hendry won it
Denis Law
Monty
Alan Wells
 
*Edit, just looked and that was a piss poor attempt... Ever so slightly embarrassed by my poor knowledge.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on September 11, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
99% sure Stephen Hendry won it
Denis Law
Monty
Alan Wells
 
*Edit, just looked and that was a piss poor attempt... Ever so slightly embarrassed by my poor knowledge.

0 out 4
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: baggy89 on September 11, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
Gavin Hastings?

Liz McColgan?

Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Madbadteacher on September 11, 2012, 04:57:45 PM
David Sole?
Jim Clark?
Jackie Stewart?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: El Padre™ on September 11, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
Personally I'd love to give it to Ellie Simmonds.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: hebrew on September 11, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
So this year will be interesting.  Apparently current odds:

B Wiggins 5/4
M Farah 9/4
A Murray 5/2
J Ennis 8/1
D Weir 20/1
E Simmonds 35/1
R McIlroy 100/1
C Hoy 100/1
S Storey 100/1

I'd go:
Murray, Wiggins, Farah, McIlroy, Ennis, Hoy
That order
maybe

I think I agree but take out McIlroy and probably move Hoy before Ennis  ;D

Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: maverick sheep on September 11, 2012, 10:41:05 PM
Wiggins, Murray, Farrah, Ennis, Hoy

Diddy competition anyway.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: CtS on September 11, 2012, 10:47:48 PM
Given the enormity of both men's achievements, the award should be shared between Murray and Wiggins this year.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Madbadteacher on September 11, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Craig Levein.

The only man capable of uniting football supporters in Scotland after this summer's debacle!
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Dandy_Don on September 12, 2012, 12:04:58 AM
Given the enormity of both men's achievements, the award should be shared between Murray and Wiggins this year.



This.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on September 12, 2012, 08:31:39 AM
Given the enormity of both men's achievements, the award should be shared between Murray and Wiggins this year.


But Tour de France has an element of it being a team sport surely?  Murray's achievement is the greater in my opinion.
Farah and Weir's achievements are also brilliant.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: bloo_toon_red on September 12, 2012, 10:24:27 AM
But Tour de France has an element of it being a team sport surely?  Murray's achievement is the greater in my opinion.
Farah and Weir's achievements are also brilliant.

I don't think the team aspect is strong enough to take away the individual achievement, the TdF is among the most gruelling sporting events around and no UK sportsman has ever won it.  Wiggins also won the Olympic Road Race on top of all the other championships and medals he has won over the years.  I would love Murray to win it (and I think that he will) but at this moment in time my vote would go for Wiggins.  That might change if Murray goes on to with the World Tour Finals in November.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on September 12, 2012, 11:01:38 AM
Gavin Hastings?

Liz McColgan?


1 out of 2

David Sole?
Jim Clark?
Jackie Stewart?

1 out of 3
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: El Padre™ on September 12, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: dave_min on September 12, 2012, 03:22:43 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.

It was too tall an order to improve on.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: RDU_64 on September 12, 2012, 05:02:00 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.

I did have a think but I couldn't reach the dizzying heights you had set.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: CtS on September 12, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.

Everyone's so dopey around here these days, it makes me really grumpy.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: maverick sheep on September 12, 2012, 06:49:28 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.

wind yer half inch neck in
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Madbadteacher on September 12, 2012, 06:57:55 PM
I didn't even notice it!
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: BigAl on September 12, 2012, 08:55:38 PM
Ian Black won it way back in the day
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: bloo_toon_red on September 12, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
FFS. This place has changed. Dwarf sex jokes going un-noticed! Pffft.

Hear about the thalidomide porn star?
Had an arm like a baby's cock.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on September 19, 2012, 11:03:02 AM
Wiggins's achievement is amazing but I hope Murray wins it. I just can't see it happening because a lot of the guffy knobs dislike him. He deserves it. He's a fucking hero.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on November 26, 2012, 09:40:21 PM
I don't suppose there were any real surprises in the short list.
The bookies seem to be going with Wiggo as favourite, then Farah, Murray, Ennis and Weir.

Personally hoping for Farah, Murray or Weir.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: TENEMENTFUNSTER on November 26, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
Could be any of them but Wiggins does seem to be where the smart money is going.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: maverick sheep on November 26, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
Might have a flutter on Ennis.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on December 16, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
Wiggins seems to have it in the bag according to all the bookies.

Think I'll vote for Murray!
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: CtS on December 16, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
I'll be amazed if Murray gets in the top 3, even if I do think he deserves it. I predict Wiggins, Farrah, Ennis in that order.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on December 16, 2012, 10:18:59 AM
Are you suggesting somebody could win it posthumously?

(http://geekmodeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Farrah-Fawcett-swimsuit-red-e1301082268644.jpg)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Madbadteacher on December 16, 2012, 03:38:18 PM
If it goes to a popular phone vote (?) then ot'll be the candidate thatappeals most to the iphone generation of 13-25 year olds....I'd guess Ennis
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: dave_min on December 16, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
Because anybody aged 26+ struggles to use a phone?!
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Madbadteacher on December 16, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
No, but demographically that's the age-group most likely to vote and vote often, just like with all the britain's got no fucking talent shows........talent don't win, young-person appeal wins!
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: hebrew on December 16, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
Wiggins seems to have it in the bag according to all the bookies.

Think I'll vote for Murray!


I voted for him  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: glasgow sheep on December 17, 2012, 10:42:33 AM
Other than being good to look at I don't see how Ennis deserves to be 2nd ahead of Murray, Farah or even McIlroy and Hoy
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on December 17, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Other than being good to look at I don't see how Ennis deserves to be 2nd ahead of Murray, Farah or even McIlroy and Hoy

This.  Disappointed for Farah, thought he should have been in the top 3.

Lennox Lewis guilty of the worst award presentation ever!  ;D

        1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
        2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
        3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
        4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
        5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
        6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
        7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
        8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
        9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
        10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
        11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
        12. Sarah Storey 10,342 (0.64%)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: BigAl on December 17, 2012, 11:39:51 AM
Lewis didn't award Murray
Andy just ended up taking it.
Easiest appearance fee he'll have ever earned ;)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: CtS on December 17, 2012, 11:50:26 AM
Last years winner had 169,000 votes, look at the amount of people who voted this year.  :o
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: dave_min on December 17, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
Last years winner had 169,000 votes, look at the amount of people who voted this year.  :o

1,626,718  ???
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: hebrew on December 18, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Other than being good to look at I don't see how Ennis deserves to be 2nd ahead of Murray, Farah or even McIlroy and Hoy

I totally agree - she only won one bloody gold, I thought Farrah would definitely have got more votes than Ennis
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: maverick sheep on December 18, 2012, 10:02:58 PM
well, Ennis was the poster girl for the whole build up so she had the appropriate personality, plus she's been in all the twat mags recently cos she's getting married an that. Then there's the fact that she can pass as white, and doesn't pray to allah when she wins medals, so racist britain can like her.

ennis benefited from the fact the achievements of the female athletes inspired wimmins sport-wise, and moved em to vote, but they weren't going to vote for the other women, cos they had nae chance of winning. (like any men actually vote for bollocks like that anyhow)
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: jmo on December 18, 2012, 10:22:46 PM
Bit surprised Murray didn't win, but then again I've always preferred tennis to cycling. Didn't realise that many people in the UK cared about the Tour De France.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 19, 2012, 08:14:39 AM
Bit surprised Murray didn't win, but then again I've always preferred tennis to cycling. Didn't realise that many people in the UK cared about the Tour De France.


Everyone prefers Tennis to Cycling. Tennis is a game that can be enjoyed by spectators. Cycling is a method of transport. If Murray was English he'd have gotten 50% of the vote. No one cares about cycling but they do care about being on the "Someone from Engerlund has done something good" bandwagon.

I also think the voting was dodgy. Took me about 10 attempts to finally get anything other than an engaged tone. 
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: manc_don on December 20, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
Quite enjoyed it today, agreed with most of the winners for a change.  There was no-one more deserving than Andy Murray this year. Tremendous, hopefully his form continues into next year.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 20, 2015, 09:11:50 PM
Murray deserved winner.

Biggest highlight was Izzard in stilettos, red lipstick and a woman's necklace.

What a tube. Attention-seeking bordering on pathology.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on December 21, 2015, 10:48:22 AM
Full results - Andy Murray polled 361,446 votes followed by: Kevin Sinfield 278,353, Jessica Ennis-Hill 79,898, Tyson Fury 72,330, Lewis Hamilton 48,379, Chris Froome 39,007, Mo Farah 31,311, Max Whitlock 25,925, Greg Rutherford 23,492, Lizzie Armitstead 22,356, Adam Peaty 13,738, Lucy Bronze 13,236.

Great for Murray. He seems to have won round the most of the nation, although the comments about his lack of personality are just nonsense.   He certainly has to be considered Scotland's greatest sportsman.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: baggy89 on December 21, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Holy shit that Ellie Downie. She's been hitting those protein shakes HARD...
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 21, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
Holy shit that Ellie Downie. She's been hitting those protein shakes HARD...

And just to make sure the world knows about it, she chose a strapless dress.

She should have consulted someone other than Tyson Fury or a Wahhabist Muslim as her costume designer.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 21, 2015, 03:19:27 PM
Full results - Andy Murray polled 361,446 votes followed by: Kevin Sinfield 278,353, Jessica Ennis-Hill 79,898, Tyson Fury 72,330, Lewis Hamilton 48,379, Chris Froome 39,007, Mo Farah 31,311, Max Whitlock 25,925, Greg Rutherford 23,492, Lizzie Armitstead 22,356, Adam Peaty 13,738, Lucy Bronze 13,236.

Great for Murray. He seems to have won round the most of the nation, although the comments about his lack of personality are just nonsense.   He certainly has to be considered Scotland's greatest sportsman.


I da ken like. I ended up getting drawn into an argument about this last night (which isn't like me!) There are still some colossal fuds out there that are absolutely gutted that Andy isn't English. Not to mention the Scottish fuds that don't like him for whatever reason. You don't have to like the guy to acknowledge what you correctly pointed out - that he is the greatest sportsman in the history of Scotland and (probably Britain too) by a million miles.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 21, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
His exceptional sporting achievements is not in dispute. He's become the second best in the world.

The only debate concerns his personality.

When they made that sketch years ago - "the dog died" - it was good observational satire. It's the same issue that he himself is aware of and made reference to last night with the article and his joke about it being unfair to Worthing.

He comes across in interviews as sombre, as whiney, as overly serious. This has been in evidence from day one. We can't blame him for this. It's just the way he comes across. He's had to be so singularly focused and disciplined to get to nearly-the-top that he's different from almost everyone else, certainly from 99.999% of the population.

Even though I didn't see the article, any journo who still focuses on his interview persona more than his ability and achievements will be a sad fuck. He might be English and still resentful of Murray's excellent ABE sentiments back then, failing to understand Murray's patriotism and offended that he came out as one of the 45% last year. Every true Scotsman is ABE and pro independence so to vote 55% No was a sad indictment on our nation, thick fucking non-thinking idiots that they were.

Murray isn't popular for a number of reasons, not one of which is his tennis ability. It can go too far the other way, those who love his skill so much that they can't understand why others don't like him.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 21, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
He has more personality in his 2nd serve than Greg Rusedski and Tim Henman put together. I was a fan of and watched both those players in their day too. I didn't dislike them because they seemed boring as fuck. But Andy is anything but. But although he's getting really good at dealing with mics shoved in his face it's still clear he doesn't enjoy that aspect of his fame. So unless you're a Murray fan you're not going to see his personality other than the occasional TV interview. I'm actually glad he doesn't pretend to enjoy it either. There's enough fake shite about.

And the stuff about him being pro-indy was never going to win him more fans (although I admit it meant a lot to me) but he doesn't care about that either. And I respect him more for it. And even though he's pro-indy he's played out his skin when representing the UK in the DC Cup and the Olympics. Even sang God Save The Queen ffs (which near killed me to see) so I am still guilty of getting wound up with the pricks that are itching for him to fail. 

Having said all that the sports personality of the year award isn't awarded based on the sports person's personality. But many are too thick understand that a word can have 2 meanings. In this case the intended definition is, as provided by my mate Google:

Quote
personality
p??s??nal?ti/Submit
noun
1.
the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.
"she had a sunny personality that was very engaging"
synonyms:   character, nature, disposition, temperament, make-up, persona, psyche, identity
"her cheerful and vibrant personality"
2.
a celebrity or famous person.

"an official opening by a famous personality"
synonyms:   celebrity, VIP, star, superstar, celebutante, name, famous name, household name, big name, somebody, leading light, notable, personage, luminary, notability, worthy;


Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 21, 2015, 05:05:48 PM
I don't think we're disagreeing on anything here but just to add some observations which hopefully make sense: -

"Unless you're a Murray fan you're not going to see his personality..."

Putting aside the definition of who is and who is not a fan, it's not going to be possible to discern enough about his actual persona to be conclusive about him, unless you actually know the man. For sure there are certain aspects of personality that can be picked up from his performances e.g. drive, determination etc. and certain aspects of personality that can be suggested from interviews e.g. uncomfortable or not natural when the cameras/microphones are shoved on him, resulting in his tendency towards coming across a potentially drole, humourless etc. but if you don't know him personally like I don't know him personally, we're only guessing. At the end of the day, who cares what his personality is like in his private life. That's his business. Our only interest should be what he does on the court.

Being pro-indy was ALWAYS going to work against him with the vast majority of the Engerlish but this is where he gains my admiration, for having the balls to be honest and put his personal thoughts above any consideration of PR and image. Good on the cunt, I say, whether I agreed with him on this point (which I most certainly do) or not. I'm not sure how you can say that "he doesn't care about that either". He cared enough to tweet it on the eve of the referendum. Maybe you've read/heard something that I haven't, that wasn't a retraction of what was an obvious PR blunder.

Getting wound up by others "itching for him to fail" is silly. I'm not even sure who these people are although I don't doubt that there's a few who do. Who fucking cares what others think? I'm pretty sure he doesn't. He even made a joke about it last night in his acceptance speech, which I took as a deliberate PR line to "burst the bubble", to minimise the negativity that has always followed him, mostly due to perceived moroseness in years of interviews and the ABE etc., which only Scots truly understand anyway.

He's a great athlete who's talents has given him great riches. He comes across as a determined, fantastically successful young man who's discipline and work ethic has got him very close to the best in the world. I hope he hits no. 1 one day and adds to his majors so that he may be considered as a true great of the game. With a family to look forward to next year, I wouldn't blame him if he has already peaked and has achieved his majority already. Unlike you as a self-confessed fan, I wouldn't necessarily ever want to break bread with him but I admire his achievements.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 22, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
No we're not disagreeing. And I didn't intend to imply that so apologies if I did. And I should have been clearer about the pro-indy thing. I meant he didn't care about his stance on independence not winning him more fans. Not that he didn't care about independence.


His honesty is something that I've always admired. He's pulled no punches when the truth was required. Despite knowing it'll make him enemies. His comments over the last decade about the LTA for example. But there are other things that I've seen whilst following his career that leave me in little doubt that I'd like him personally. His charity work and his love of animals for example. The fact that he's not a hun or a tim. He's a top tennis player and a top man. Thoroughly deserves his award.  :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 22, 2015, 03:40:30 PM
But there are other things that I've seen whilst following his career that leave me in little doubt that I'd like him personally. His charity work and his love of animals for example. The fact that he's not a hun or a tim. He's a top tennis player and a top man. Thoroughly deserves his award.  :thumbsup:

Whilst I have agreed and said already that he deserves his award, you raise yet more issues for debate.

I have no doubt that he is a good bloke and charitable in that he would give his time selflessly to good causes but I don't know what particular "charity work" he's been engaged in. Unfortunately most charities are funded by fools and run by people without charity in their hearts.

Your "love of animals" line astonishes me. Is someone who loves animals a "top man"? I'm not even sure how you established that Murray has a discernible love of animals? Perhaps he said it in a multi-question profile type interview and he's hardly going to say no, I hate animals.

Most people wouldn't say that they "love animals" and even fewer would say they didn't like them but what can we possibly correlate between animal-appreciation (or not) and aspects of personality? In fact, it is known that some persons with strong love of animals harbour defective capacities to love humans. I'm not talking about those who go the full hog and engage in bestiality here but the love of animals can often substitute the interrelationship difficulties that they face in life.

The myriad possibilities of why that should be are infinite, from simple inability to relate to other humans due to emotional damage suffered in childhood and infancy, a lack of trust having been betrayed once too often, experiencing love only conditionally from humans and therefore appreciating the unconditional love from animals etc. etc. It may not even be a relate-to-humans issue. The psychopath might "love animals" because they can control them in whatever way they wish, another damaged human might love the power to control their relationship with an animal because they were spectacularly unsuccessful in harbouring any sense of power in their human relations, the possibilities as I say, are limitless.

That he "loves animals" I'm not disputing, as I don't know this, I don't know him personally and am not therefore qualified to comment. Seeking a correlation between the fact that he does and anything about him as a person is what I can't fathom.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 22, 2015, 04:23:07 PM
Well I didn't really say or even imply that he's a top man just because he loves animals. I said that was something that made me believe that I'd like him personally. And you're way over-thinking the reasoning. I think the reason is irrelevant. Fact is that not enough people acknowledge or respect other human and non-human being's right to an existence. Andy does. And Andy's tweets about his own pets as well as the charity work he's done for WWF lead me to this conclusion. Andy also does work and fundraising for Unicef. He donated £50 out of his own pocket for every ace he hit this season.

Your point about charities being run by uncharitable people is a fair one but a separate discussion.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 22, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
It's not possible to "over-think". It is possible to take something too personally however.

Just as the nature of charities is a separate discussion, the correlation between people "loving animals" and anything that this says about their personalities is also a completely separate debate, one that I personally find more interesting than who won a human-voted award and how well deserved it was or otherwise, the human condition being of far greater fascination for me personally.

And that's what good debates do, spawn other subjects of interest and discussion.

Another potential subject of interest arising from your comments might be the nature of fandom, keeping up with them on social media, forming opinions about their characters rather than just their areas of expertise etc. but it's not one I that I really want go into, especially with you and at this time and on this thread in particular, as I suspect that we would fall out over it.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 23, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
It's not possible to "over-think". It is possible to take something too personally however.

Just as the nature of charities is a separate discussion, the correlation between people "loving animals" and anything that this says about their personalities is also a completely separate debate, one that I personally find more interesting than who won a human-voted award and how well deserved it was or otherwise, the human condition being of far greater fascination for me personally.

Again I never said it did. It's something that I'd have in common with him. That's all.

Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 23, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
Again I never said it did. It's something that I'd have in common with him. That's all.

An interesting debate opportunity right here.

Why do you say that you love animals?

I've got an Aberdeenshire Terrier and two cats. I love the three of them but I definitely do NOT love animals. I don't even like the majority of other dogs I come across.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on December 23, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
An interesting debate opportunity right here.

Why do you say that you love animals?

I've got an Aberdeenshire Terrier and two cats. I love the three of them but I definitely do NOT love animals. I don't even like the majority of other dogs I come across.

Not sure what there is to debate? Which one of us has the correct or incorrect point of view?

Humans are what animals are not. Corrupt. I've had dogs and cats for most of my life and there's a purity to them that you rarely see in humans. In fact we lost or 11 year old rescue greyhound Pearl the other day. Fuck me, that was brutal.

I'm of the opinion that all life on this planet has equal right to be here. From spiders and rats to dogs and cats and humans. Most people differentiate. Syrians, for example, are not welcome by many. Why not? They're humans like the rest of us. This point of view has led to me being called all manner of ridiculous things from "Lefty" to "Extremist". How is it extremist to want everyone and everything to live an enjoyable life peacefully? "Strong political views" my arse. Fuck politics. Anyway. I digress.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: rocket_scientist on December 23, 2015, 05:16:40 PM
There is no right or wrong answer. Nor does exploration require a pre-determined end point.

Interesting points you make. Animals are not corrupt and have a purity that humans do not, you say.

We're not here to psychoanalyse you of course but you're laying down some HUGE markers here.

I wonder if Murray's love of animals also originates in perceptions of purity and not being "corrupt"?

We agree on the bigger subjects, I feel. I similarly value each being irrespective of species, or in the case of humans, creed, colour, race or religion - only the stupid being forcefully religious, of course. I reserve the right to eat meat however and therefore lambs, cows, haddock, sardines, anchovies, prawns, shrimps and pigs, I don't mind when they die to land on my plate, plus numerous other animals depending on my culinary requirements.

Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on September 10, 2019, 06:29:37 AM
Taxi driver told me its coming to the P&J Live/TECA this year (although I can't find any evidence of this).  That's a bit of a coup for Aberdeen.

A good opportunity for Lewis Hamilton to visit Espionage.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on September 10, 2019, 08:26:43 AM
Taxi driver told me its coming to the P&J Live/TECA this year (although I can't find any evidence of this).  That's a bit of a coup for Aberdeen.

A good opportunity for Lewis Hamilton to visit Espionage.


I'm nae driving to Dyce in the rush hour to see that knobber.
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Kowalski on September 11, 2019, 12:58:05 PM

I'm nae driving to Dyce in the rush hour to see that knobber.

On a Sunday evening ?
Title: Re: BBC Sports Personality
Post by: Tyrant on September 11, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
On a Sunday evening ?

My apologies.

I'm nae driving to Dyce in the rush hour to see that knobber.