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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2200 on: October 05, 2017, 05:55:40 PM »
This could be positive. An opportunity to address the issues and prevent a successful appeal. Perhaps the council and AFC are working together to try and see this through - heaven forbid.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2201 on: October 05, 2017, 06:59:30 PM »
I don't know, everything about this just seems half-arsed.

Our chairman has a construction company FFS, he of all people should know how to submit a planning application that meets the criteria that's clearly set out. With all the money and resources we've thrown at this so far, how can we be in a position where our proposal does not comply with what the planning gadgies told us to fix a few months ago? Since then, it seems all we've done is add a few sentences about shuttle buses then thrown the rest of the budget on this Aurora PR campaign that looks like it was a complete waste of time.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't believe there hasn't been a meeting where the question was asked "what do we need to do in the planning application to meet all of the requirements?" with the conclusion being "let's do that then".

We shouldn't need to pull our application at the last minute to address the issues, the issues have been well known and highlighted for months now, there's no excuse for this lack of preparation.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2202 on: October 05, 2017, 07:09:24 PM »
Since then, it seems all we've done is add a few sentences about shuttle buses then thrown the rest of the budget on this Aurora PR campaign that looks like it was a complete waste of time.

Probably spent a few hundred k when they put the inadequate bus information in tables. Not improving the strategy, just the way it was presented. Have a look at the last one they submitted. It's hard to believe.

God help us how much the PR in all the newspapers and everything cost.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2203 on: October 05, 2017, 07:15:25 PM »
At the same time the club shouldn’t need to bend over backwards to appease a few NIMBYs and coffin dodgers.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2204 on: October 05, 2017, 08:48:02 PM »
I don't know, everything about this just seems half-arsed.

Our chairman has a construction company FFS, he of all people should know how to submit a planning application that meets the criteria that's clearly set out. With all the money and resources we've thrown at this so far, how can we be in a position where our proposal does not comply with what the planning gadgies told us to fix a few months ago? Since then, it seems all we've done is add a few sentences about shuttle buses then thrown the rest of the budget on this Aurora PR campaign that looks like it was a complete waste of time.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't believe there hasn't been a meeting where the question was asked "what do we need to do in the planning application to meet all of the requirements?" with the conclusion being "let's do that then".

We shouldn't need to pull our application at the last minute to address the issues, the issues have been well known and highlighted for months now, there's no excuse for this lack of preparation.

Just to clear up a couple of things. Aberdeen FC may be the applicants but the Agents who submitted the application and were indeed responsible for it (with assistance from the club as required) are Halliday Fraser Munro. Stewart Milne's involvement would have been as a representative of the Client.

The Stewart Milne Group are House builders and timber kit designers/ suppliers. A planning application for a large stadium complex is nothing like one for a large housing development which is why there are specialist planning consultants for such projects. I am presuming HFA meet that criteria.

The application has not been 'pulled'. The decision has been deferred to allow for additional discussions and given it appears ACC have allowed this rather than simply killing it off with a rejection this allows more time for design tweaks etc.

Planning applications unlike Building warrants are open to interpretation. There are local plans, guidelines etc but they can actually all be ignored if the local authority sees fit. I could be wrong but I doubt the ACC planning department or HFM have ever had to deal with a project like this one and it will have been a learning curve for everyone involved.
Personally having read some of the statements & responses from some of the consultants it struck me that they did not know what to do or even what to ask for and when faced with the unknown the default response always seems to be 'reject'.

Until the application is withdrawn or rejected I am keeping an open mind.


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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2205 on: October 05, 2017, 08:51:54 PM »
At the same time the club shouldn’t need to bend over backwards to appease a few NIMBYs and coffin dodgers.

They're not. That's the point. They've put forward a shite transport plan and, instead of addressing the plan, attempted to put pressure on the cooncil with shitey PR campaigns and aurora bollocks. Same as they did with Loirston. The cooncil are there to represent the city, not AFC. AFC have no excuses, this should be watertight. The NIMBYs haven't come up with one serious objection. Look back and you'll see Tom and others all suggesting the club needed to do more with the application and it appears that they haven't bothered. If it doesn't pass, it won't be because "nothing ever gets built in Aberdeen" or "NIMBYS ruined it", it'll be because - like everything big that gets attempted in Aberdeen through vested interests - the appropriate work hasn't been done, probably in order to cut corners and cost.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2206 on: October 06, 2017, 09:44:13 AM »
How long is this shit going to go on for? I'm nearly headbutting the screen reading Aberdeen fans saying a few things need to be ironed out. Definitely not a few things to be ironed out to turn it from a refusal to definite approval as they think is the case. Some are saying it's very close and just a few bits after they got a nudge and a wink from the council.  :rofl: That's why they've had to withdraw it for 3 months.  :laughing:

If it's big changes then surely NKS get another response? Will there be another pre-determination hearing? And if not I'd think it would stink of big grounds for a legal challenge from NKS. If it's clear the stadium and its logistics is too big or costly a problem and a certainty to be rejected, could they remove the stadium from the application to prevent us the risk and time of having to apply another time?

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2207 on: October 06, 2017, 10:11:32 AM »
  :rofl: That's why they've had to withdraw it for 3 months.  :laughing:
No, that's because the next sitting of planning is Dec 11th.

Grinds my knackers to see supposed Dons fans laughing at our club who are up against white settling wankers trying every trick and lie in the book to upset the plans, and who have no interest or respect for the place they've come to and made their millions.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2208 on: October 06, 2017, 10:20:33 AM »
No, that's because the next sitting of planning is Dec 11th.

Grinds my knackers to see supposed Dons fans laughing at our club who are up against white settling wankers trying every trick and lie in the book to upset the plans, and who have no interest or respect for the place they've come to and made their millions.

It's because the application is rubbish and needs serious work. I doubt we'll see any new documents from the club online for at least a month or two.

You're still unable to see it's the club's fault and not the side circus of NKS.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2209 on: October 06, 2017, 02:14:35 PM »
It's because the application is rubbish and needs serious work. I doubt we'll see any new documents from the club online for at least a month or two.

You're still unable to see it's the club's fault and not the side circus of NKS.
Yup. Been to all the meetings, heard all the submissions, there's no doubt Kingsford is more accessible, and better for the club. But, rules......under current regs, parking spaces in particular, it'll be virtually impossible to build a stadium anywhere, because there will always be this farcical 1350 parking space limit.

So, basically, it's down to the council to use "greater good" as it's method of passing this.  :thumbsup:

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Re: New stadium thread
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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2211 on: October 12, 2017, 10:03:37 AM »
Well, no update really

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2212 on: October 12, 2017, 01:47:36 PM »
Well, no update really
clarification then  :thumbsup:

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2213 on: Yesterday at 01:24:53 PM »
Falling behind here lads.

Abmad's been having a fairly entertaining slagging match about this for days.
Including what seemed like an all night argument on the cost of bus fares from the toon to Westhill.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2214 on: Yesterday at 03:48:27 PM »
Falling behind here lads.

Abmad's been having a fairly entertaining slagging match about this for days.
Including what seemed like an all night argument on the cost of bus fares from the toon to Westhill.

I can imagine which idiots are driving it. I'll pass. I would hope there would there would be a slight discount for football fans but I doubt it. No way would the UK allow for something as progressive as free travel like in Germany.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2215 on: Yesterday at 03:54:37 PM »
Falling behind here lads.

Abmad's been having a fairly entertaining slagging match about this for days.
Including what seemed like an all night argument on the cost of bus fares from the toon to Westhill.
Just hang about for a bit, there'll be a busload along shortly  :rofl:

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2216 on: Yesterday at 04:12:34 PM »
A crammed busload, but not shortly because it's stuck in traffic and a'bodys dying for a pish.

Aye, the match ticket should include the cost of transport but it won't.

Nae need though now that I've decided that the new stadium is being built on the links.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2217 on: Yesterday at 06:44:50 PM »
A crammed busload, but not shortly because it's stuck in traffic and a'bodys dying for a pish.

Aye, the match ticket should include the cost of transport but it won't.

Nae need though now that I've decided that the new stadium is being built on the links.
The council quite rightly will never allow the demolition of their top earning leisure facility.

If a golf course goes it'll be Craibstone, the Marshall family are not golfers, allegedly they only built it to progress towards building housing which is looking less and less likely, an exit plan of selling so the stadium can be on the bypass seems like an end game that could fly.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2218 on: Yesterday at 07:54:19 PM »
Falling behind here lads.

Abmad's been having a fairly entertaining slagging match about this for days.
Including what seemed like an all night argument on the cost of bus fares from the toon to Westhill.

 :eek: It is £5 suhin.

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Re: New stadium thread
« Reply #2219 on: Yesterday at 07:59:24 PM »
Newbie here guys...............
Do we seriously think this new stadium will get the go ahead and be build??
All the tooing and froing back and forward this way and that makes me wonder.
I seriously hope so tho