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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2018, 07:50:46 PM »
Well blow me over I managed to win £152 on us losing with £17 Lewis Ferguson Anytime Scorer (7/1) and Scott Sinclair £10 First Goal (9/2).  Lost our £12 predicting a 2-1 Aberdeen win.  Only did the aforementioned Celtic player because he played for Manchester City my English team.  Couldn't believe the betting shop in England never had Ferguson on their coupon and guy behind desk had to phone up head office for said price!!!  Actually asked yours truly;

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2018, 07:54:40 PM »
I was at a different game today.

What I saw was Shinnie at LB for the first half and them creating zero, particularly down their right wing.

Then I saw Consi at LB and twice Forrest got the better of him and this led to two goals.

Connor Mac was poor. He never got into it and was lazy as fuck.

Shinnie in midfield is fucking useless. That was embarrassing today.

But when a shitehoose like Collum is in charge, it all goes oot the windie.


Shinnie is a better left back, that's for sure. Consi on the left killed us but Shinnie in midfield wins us the penalty. Think the lesson here is that with Lowe leaving Shinnie is the natural replacement but we are utter horseshit in central midfield. No to Gleeson Ball Forrester Tansey. Ferguson is a worker but not creative. We have nothing in the middle of the park. Two good players in there and the opponents get sucked in and our wide players get much more space.

Yet another Celtic game with the same end product. We beat ourselves with shit tactics and are left to reflect what could have been. And yes, Celtic were there for the taking, they are not a great side the season but yet again our manager treats them like Barcelona.

I don't understand those who thought we played well today. Sit in and hope Celtic don't score isn't my idea of a good performance.

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2018, 07:59:57 PM »

Shinnie is a better left back, that's for sure. Consi on the left killed us but Shinnie in midfield wins us the penalty

Not necessarily. Shinnie v same opponents in his first season with us won us a penalty in nearly the exact spot he did today. We lose a massive attacking threat when he's not at left back.
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2018, 09:11:33 PM »
I was at a different game today.

What I saw was Shinnie at LB for the first half and them creating zero, particularly down their right wing.

Then I saw Consi at LB and twice Forrest got the better of him and this led to two goals.

Connor Mac was poor. He never got into it and was lazy as fuck.

Shinnie in midfield is fucking useless. That was embarrassing today.

But when a shitehoose like Collum is in charge, it all goes oot the windie.

  Agree with most of that,except Shinnie out of the midfielders we have is about as good as weve got,...doesnt say a lot for the others.
    MacLennan at the Hearts game I thought was maybe subdued by their physicality,but today,I also came to the conclusion he,and Wright are a bit lazy,or picky in the games they turn it on in.
  Our efforts to contain meant our attack was more hope than conviction
 
   
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2018, 04:12:50 AM »
My post mortem feeling is one of sickness. We could have got something out of that but were deservedly beaten. The ref contributed to the feeling of nausea, Collum being a perennial cunt.

Football is a simple game and the more you have the ball, the more opportunities you can create. We conceded two thirds of the possession for the whole period. Scott Brown had the majority of their possession in the first half and he was able to walk into our half. He couldn't run into our half because there were no options ahead of him, unsurprisingly with six AFC marking five of them. Our problem was one of not matching up, our rigid zonal defence doing a great job in the first half in limiting them to barely nothing but conceding vast amounts of the ball. I felt sorry for May and Cosgrove, running about like headless chickens trying to share the responsibility of shadowing Brown but it should never have been their jobs.

McGinn and MacLennan were obviously under instructions to stick to their wings to negate any prospect of their full backs attacking the flanks but with their back four spreading it about and Brown in front of the back line, there was their extra man right there, McGinn + MacLennan + May + Cosgrove being only four in number. So we as good as invited them to come at us and allowed Brown to walk into our half, where he did pretty much fuck all with it.

But all the time he and they have the ball, we don't. McInnes was so scared of them and so lacking in courage to have a go, he didn't direct either Ball or Ferguson to press high up the pitch and prevent Brown waltzing unchallenged into our half. This is simple mathematics and being aware that man marking cancels waltzing. It also would have conserved energy, our front two getting worn out by shadow chasing.

The biggest crime was Considine being switched to LB. If McGinn was injured, it should've been a straight swap but absolutely no need for a wholesale formational change. Taking Ball back into the centre of defence wasn't going to make much difference as he was sitting so deep anyway but sticking Considine into a position where he's already said he's not comfortable was madness. And for what end? To release Shinnie into the middle where we could watch him chase shadows the whole second half, yet again? It didn't work. They had even more possession and had multiple players walking into our half, not just Brown.

It only takes one moment of switching off or one mistake to turn a game. It was a good ball that caught us napping down our right which led to their first but that was the only mistake in the first half, buried by some good pinball fortune for Sinclair. But in the second half, twice Forrest ripped Considine and both times it led to goals. These weren't mistakes. These were predictable outcomes caused by an insane formational change, so predictable in fact that I predicted it on this thread.

Cowardice and stupidity were the failings that cost us three points. Once again McInnes didn't have the balls to press them high and this is a continuous losing tactic which also implies to his men that he doesn't consider them good enough. It was stupidity in the extreme to put Considine out at LB where Shinnie had been looking so comfortable in the first half. These are the main reasons we lost.
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2018, 09:37:57 AM »
I just saw the goals, boy they were bad. They looked bad watching in the stands, but watching them back they look even worse.

Ball should be nowhere near the starting 11 on Saturday and Shinnie must play at LB if no Lowe.


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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2018, 10:11:25 AM »
All correct r.s, As much as i like Considine he doesn't have the pace for left back, Forrest just glides past him , never happened when he was up against Lowe.
    To be honest, we probably didn't deserve to win yesterday, but at 2 2 we should have seen the game out, comical defending at 3rd & 4th goals, Ball looked bo hapless at one of them.  We almost deserved to get beat for the tactics we were deploying  in 2nd half, real losing mentality sitting so deep like that.

We need to strengthen in Jan. no doubt, full backs,midfield & striker needed i.m.o!
If Devlin/McKenna is our 1st choice c.b pairing, i'm sorry big Andy will have to warm the bench, McGinn isn't doing enough & McLennan hasn't been so effective last 2 games, i wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Gleeson before making my mind up & what has happened to Scott Wright ?  Disillusioned ?

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2018, 12:15:11 PM »
I've just seen the goals and where Forrest skinned Considine for pace for their second, Logan was weak in not getting into the right position.

For their third, Considine was so scared of getting ripped for pace again, he hung so deep allowing acres of space for Forrest to not only receive the pass but bags of time to make the telling pass into the box.

At the time I remember thinking a man against boys for their fourth as Logan and Ball combined to do fuck all.
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2018, 12:31:40 PM »
Refrained from posting directly after the game, as to be honest, I was fucking seething. Probably still am in all fairness.

What I saw yesterday, was not the Aberdeen we have seen in this good run we have been on of late, I saw us allow Celtic to dictate the ball, I saw us trying the man marking nonsense again, Boyata & Benkovic for almost the entirety of the 2nd half were basically playing as CM's because every single Aberdeen player was in their own half, not because they were forcing us into our own half, but because for some utterly bizarre reason, we adopted that system.

We conceded criminal goals, no point finger pointing, McInnes put Considine against Forrest, how many times have we seen that tried? And how many times have we conceded a goal from it?

I think what was definitely evident though, was that when we actually got up the pitch, which only happened after we conceded  ??? we caused problems, won penalties and made them make a few errors, and generally looked like the Aberdeen we have seen of late, but again, for me, McInnes shafted us yesterday, treating Celtic with far more respect than they deserved. Why were our entire outfield players camped in our own half? I can't understand this, Tims have dropped points/lost away to Killie, Hibs, Livingston, Hearts etc... they stuck to their guns, they didn't over think tactics or whatever the fuck that was yesterday.

The manager & the players deserve credit for the run they have put together, they deserve credit for the swing in points over Hearts, Livi, Hibs, Killie etc... but he got it wrong yesterday, and I am fucking sick reading comments like " We didn't deserve that " or " Fuck Collum, we'd have won that if it wasn't for him " or the best one yet " players played brilliantly, we were very unlucky not to come away with anything " The players did not play brilliantly, at zero point did we look like scoring from open play & McInnes kowtowing to Celtic ultimately cost us, we should have had a go, stuck to the same system we have done for the last 5-6 games and I honestly believe we'd have seen a different outcome. The goals we conceded were comical, had Devlin & Lowe been fit, then perhaps we'd have been more solid, but I still can't understand the tactics yesterday, a missed opportunity, that's a fact.

Appreciate it's a rant, but it's how I saw it, I expected more from McInnes, but then again, deep down, I suppose I didn't. Extremely disappointing.

Hope you all had a cracking Christmas in any case  :)

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2018, 01:50:52 PM »
Utter rubbish being talked on here,put limited first team squad has been stretched
All Dec, we’ve had half our regular defence out most effective attacking player Gms!
Players won’t be 100% fit @ expect our loans Frees @ youngsters to beat a team assembled
By millions ...

Mcinnes is trying to find a way as going toe to toe we’re humped ,trying to make chicken salad out of chicken
Shite springs to mind ....

Expect more upset as January is around the corner @ more will go @ Milne won’t back the gaffer withany real dough.

Ross @ anderson need loaned out as looks like there not going to make it.

Wilson ,tansey , Reynolds,Gleason,forrester,Gms,shinnie bye bye..!

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »
Utter rubbish being talked on here,put limited first team squad has been stretched
All Dec, we’ve had half our regular defence out most effective attacking player Gms!
Players won’t be 100% fit @ expect our loans Frees @ youngsters to beat a team assembled
By millions ...

Mcinnes is trying to find a way as going toe to toe we’re humped ,trying to make chicken salad out of chicken
Shite springs to mind ....

Expect more upset as January is around the corner @ more will go @ Milne won’t back the gaffer withany real dough.

Ross @ anderson need loaned out as looks like there not going to make it.

Wilson ,tansey , Reynolds,Gleason,forrester,Gms,shinnie bye bye..!


Actually think the chat here since the game has been pretty reasonable and on point. The sitting back tactics are shite, rarely works against Celtic and didn’t work yesterday. The tactical switch moving Considine wide didn’t work either. Ball and Logan were pretty piss yesterday, that’s a far assessment too. The goals were comical but this Celtic team isn’t great and I think it’s fair to expect a better result. A very average hibs team beat them recently, why can’t we?

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2018, 05:07:24 PM »
Utter rubbish being talked on here,put limited first team squad has been stretched
All Dec, we’ve had half our regular defence out most effective attacking player Gms!

Players won’t be 100% fit @ expect our loans Frees @ youngsters to beat a team assembled
By millions ...

Mcinnes is trying to find a way as going toe to toe we’re humped ,trying to make chicken salad out of chicken
Shite springs to mind ....

Expect more upset as January is around the corner @ more will go @ Milne won’t back the gaffer withany real dough.

Ross @ anderson need loaned out as looks like there not going to make it.

Wilson ,tansey , Reynolds,Gleason,forrester,Gms,shinnie bye bye..!

We've won plenty of games without them though, so does it only count when we lose that we are some bodies short? We beat Rangers at Ibrox without GMS & Devlin, yesterday was absolutely nothing to do with the players missing, perhaps you could argue that Devlin & Lowe would have been a better defensive option, but it was simply due to McInnes being negative, he put all 10 outfield players in our own half in the 2nd half, it was finely poised at 1-1, we should have shown some intent and took the game to them, we didn't, we let them dictate the ball and we got our reward.

This pish regarding McInnes is becoming tiresome now, he gets praised, and rightly so, when he gets things right, it is only normal that he takes some stick when he gets it wrong, which he did yesterday. We never looked like scoring from open play yesterday, that is fact, even when Gordon & Boyata fluffed a simple pass, we still couldn't capitalise, instead, we waited until we conceded a goal before we forayed into their half, and look what happened when we did, we caused problems. Like I said earlier, Celtic lost at Hearts, Hibs, Killie and drew at Livingston, they played their own game, they didn't try to be clever or anything like that, we did, and again, we got fuck all to show for it, the only thing that was close yesterday, was the scoreline, and that wasn't really a fair reflection of the game, was it?
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2018, 05:26:07 PM »

 Would prefer a pacier attack with McInnes' tactics yesterday,moving the ball about and thru teams like Celtic quicker,though our options in that department are limited with Wright not cutting it,and MacLennan hot and cold.
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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2018, 06:24:50 PM »

 A very average hibs team beat them recently, why can’t we?

2 reasons......

Firstly the team that Hivs faced was a lot different to the one that we faced. Brenda brought back players he rested or were unavailable for whatever reason against the spoonburners. The side that we faced was pretty much their first choice starting 11 with the exception of Christie starting in place of Edouard and Tierney being out injured. Whilst we were shorn of Devlin, GMS and Lowe.

Secondly, Lennon recognises that Hibs cannot successfully sit back against anyone, never mind Celtic, and hope to take anything from the game. So he sends his team out to have a go at Celtic's weakness, which is indubitably their back line. They got lucky scoring in the first minute which meant Celtic had to chase the game fielding a weakened side, but still Lennon kept his team pushing forward. Attack is the best form of defence!

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2018, 08:31:35 PM »
2 reasons......

Firstly the team that Hivs faced was a lot different to the one that we faced. Brenda brought back players he rested or were unavailable for whatever reason against the spoonburners. The side that we faced was pretty much their first choice starting 11 with the exception of Christie starting in place of Edouard and Tierney being out injured. Whilst we were shorn of Devlin, GMS and Lowe.

Secondly, Lennon recognises that Hibs cannot successfully sit back against anyone, never mind Celtic, and hope to take anything from the game. So he sends his team out to have a go at Celtic's weakness, which is indubitably their back line. They got lucky scoring in the first minute which meant Celtic had tofielding a weakened side, but still Lennon kept his team pushing forward. Attack is the best form of defence!

Totally disagree with you in the sense that regardless of players rested, they aren’t a great team. We were shit and scored three ffs. Celtic have squad depth and hibs didn’t face a drastically weakened Celtic.

Secondly, your point is that they have a coach willing to attack Celtic. I’d agree with that. Why can’t we have a go at Celtics weaknesses? While we were shit our starting 11 is more capable than the hibs 11 that beat them.


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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2018, 09:06:01 PM »
Totally disagree with you in the sense that regardless of players rested, they aren’t a great team. We were shit and scored three ffs. Celtic have squad depth and hibs didn’t face a drastically weakened Celtic.

Secondly, your point is that they have a coach willing to attack Celtic. I’d agree with that. Why can’t we have a go at Celtics weaknesses? While we were shit our starting 11 is more capable than the hibs 11 that beat them.

I agree they aren't great but when they put out a team comprising of 80-100% of players Brenda would regard as his "first picks" they are generally far too good for anyone else in Scotland. They will suffer the odd setback away from home (don't think sevco will beat them though) but they'll sort out their deficiencies in the January window....striker and right back for starters......and pull away from the chasing pack steadily. There's no disgrace in Celtic beating us with their financial advantage. But DM has to realise that us sitting back, inviting pressure, conceding 65%+ of possession will generally result in us suffering a defeat.

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2018, 01:27:49 PM »
Is it not that had we scraped through and got a result nobody would be complaning about the tactics. Look at the two sevco games. We played the same way and got results. I actually think if we had lowe and devlin in the side the tactics would have worked. To me the problem is just that compared to teams like Celtic and even Sevco our squad is not strong enough.

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2018, 01:47:58 PM »
Is it not that had we scraped through and got a result nobody would be complaning about the tactics. Look at the two sevco games. We played the same way and got results. I actually think if we had lowe and devlin in the side the tactics would have worked. To me the problem is just that compared to teams like Celtic and even Sevco our squad is not strong enough.

This is it for me. Easiest thing in the world to look on from the sidelines and shout "attack, attack, attack"

I suspect if we'd have "had a go" and pressed/attacked for the full game, we'd have been picked off at some point -  not least because of the exertions of the month, and them having Edouard etc to come off the bench.

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2018, 02:50:29 PM »
Is it not that had we scraped through and got a result nobody would be complaning about the tactics. Look at the two sevco games. We played the same way and got results. I actually think if we had lowe and devlin in the side the tactics would have worked. To me the problem is just that compared to teams like Celtic and even Sevco our squad is not strong enough.

But we didn't. We did our recent usual and lost albeit fairly closely. Our only recent win against them was in a game where they were in celebration mode and also knew that if we won the game it would stuff sevco's chance of sneaking through to finish second.

If we are going to get beaten by the Dhims, I'd far rather we went down having a go. Yes sitting back and encouraging them on works against sevco. Because despite their outlay dwarfing ours, the players they have are of a similar standard to us....they just have loads more of them especially defenders and midfielders. It just doesn't work against Celtic because their players are of a higher standard.

Let's try something different against them

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Re: Dons - Victimhood - Boxing Day 2 pm
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2018, 03:54:53 PM »
But we didn't. We did our recent usual and lost albeit fairly closely. Our only recent win against them was in a game where they were in celebration mode and also knew that if we won the game it would stuff sevco's chance of sneaking through to finish second.

If we are going to get beaten by the Dhims, I'd far rather we went down having a go. Yes sitting back and encouraging them on works against sevco. Because despite their outlay dwarfing ours, the players they have are of a similar standard to us....they just have loads more of them especially defenders and midfielders. It just doesn't work against Celtic because their players are of a higher standard.

Let's try something different against them

If we have a go and end up 3 goals down in no time because of the gaps we leave as a result, that's preferable to being in the game right till the end?

There's a balance to be struck, and I'm not convinced what we saw the other day was a million miles off it.