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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2018, 10:37:45 PM »
Suicide is at unbelievable proportions in the armed forces, or at least it used to be when I was close enough to it, not that it gets reported widely. The bullying culture is almost taken as an occupational hazard. Tragic for the family.
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2018, 10:52:46 PM »
Was it suicide? It just said sudden death (or Golden Goal as it was called for a while).

Shame like. Wasn't aware that suicide was rife in the forces, but I suppose it makes sense. I assumed that bullying was actually part of the training if you know what I mean? I couldn't hack it like. Being told what to do wouldn't really work for me.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 11:05:10 PM »
Was it suicide? It just said sudden death (or Golden Goal as it was called for a while).

Shame like. Wasn't aware that suicide was rife in the forces, but I suppose it makes sense. I assumed that bullying was actually part of the training if you know what I mean? I couldn't hack it like. Being told what to do wouldn't really work for me.

No idea if it was suicide. Was just saying. It was the first thing that crossed my mind.

I also could never have hacked that shit.
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2018, 10:41:46 AM »
Being told what to do wouldn't really work for me.

This got me thinking....

I wouldn't have a problem being told what to do if I believed in the teller and I understood why I was meant to be doing it. I can't be a pawn in someone else's game however, which is why I've been my own boss for 25 years. From memory and some of your posts, am I right that you're also your own boss?

Never having had a good boss nor a mentor, I kind of grew to resent authority. In fact, I detested the vast majority of my managers over the years and didn't have even an ounce of respect for any of them. So I guess I'm very thankful that I worked for fools. I wouldn't have found out shit if I'd been a cog in someone else's wheel. Yin and Yang. Karma and Destiny. War and Love.
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2018, 11:09:26 AM »
Exactly the same path i've been on , RS. The path to enlightenment can be a slow process, but worth it when you get there. I truly felt like a god when i knew there was nothing left for me to achieve. I became an Adonis.

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2018, 02:12:02 PM »
The path to enlightenment can be a slow process, but worth it when you get there.

Agreed. In fact it is necessary that it is a slow process. Impossible otherwise.

I truly felt like a god when i knew there was nothing left for me to achieve. I became an Adonis.

Confused thinking. It is not possible to be left with nothing more to achieve. Having plenty of money is nice, especially when it's been earned with zero inherited, allowing us to sweep the shelves of Asda of the cut price Bollinger in time for Xmas and book lovely hotels on our next ventures but being able to buy whatever we want when we want it does not equate to jack shit, when we're talking about the bigger issues, of which the gods certainly pertain to. You have much to learn rumpleforeskin, as we all do. I look forward to watching you in action tonight in furtherance of my education but fyi, there's a game on so after 10.30 aye?
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2018, 06:14:25 PM »
He was back on the bench today, which I found surprising, even more surprising that we were shyte in the middle of the park and offering nothing going forward, but still Gleeson and Forrester were left on the bench.

It's hard to think anything other than they are both finished for us.

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2018, 07:30:07 PM »
Forrester just totally shyte. Recent bereavement no excuse.....it was a sudden death and he was shyte long before that. Finished with us I think, however I can envisage us being stuck with him long term unless we write off his transfer fee and heavily subsidise his wages at an Irish club.......cannot see even an English Conference club being interested.

Gleeson has decent footballing ability but he runs out of petrol after 60-70 minutes and about as mobile as a battleship with it's rudder missing. Similar to Stewart last season in that he looks like he is carrying at least an extra stone in weight even at this stage of the season. Don't think we would have resigned Ball on loan but management team realised he was going to be a liability virtually as soon as he arrived. Think he thought after being at Ipswich he would stroll it up here in a diddy league and has found out to his horror that the quality and intensity is miles higher than he surmised. Possibly could be a useful sub next season if as expected Shinnie fecks off in the summer but suspect if he can line up a free transfer to a lower league English club he would be allowed to leave in January.

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2018, 11:41:36 PM »
mcinnes signed them he is the problem they are the symptom
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2019, 01:38:13 PM »
Released.

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2019, 01:47:39 PM »
up there, no in fact worse than Tommy Wright .... must be 300k spunked away for zero , very very strange/bad/inept
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2019, 01:50:23 PM »
Glad our finances or so vast that we can pay around £200k on a player, only to go and rip up his contract a few months later  ???

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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2019, 02:14:31 PM »
Glad our finances or so vast that we can pay around £200k on a player, only to go and rip up his contract a few months later  ???

I don't think we paid £200K with the intention of releasing him in the window.....

I'm not sure what your solution is? Stop paying money for players in case it doesn't work out?

I think it's good that we have the ability to admit our mistakes and get rid. Far better that, than feeling obliged to give him a 20 minute run out here and there in order to keep him happy.

Would a £100K (half our Forrester fee) increase in the recruitment staff budget result in a better return on our scouting? Signings like this, Tansey etc would certainly suggest some investment wouldn't be wasted. Although, I have no idea what additional scouting could be bought for that type of money.

I'm going to claim that I had first call on here suggesting that Forrester wasn't up to it (and Gleeson). From the minute I saw him, I could tell that there was a huge part of his game missing to play in the current AFC team. I also called out Tansey before he signed, and Storey. I think I could get a better return on our investments if the club were willing to pay me £100K

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2019, 02:19:45 PM »
so what are you seeing that our scouts arent ? it appears he was going through the motions at peterborough its a strange one and an expensive one if you factor in wages
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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2019, 02:21:36 PM »
I don't think we paid £200K with the intention of releasing him in the window.....

I'm not sure what your solution is? Stop paying money for players in case it doesn't work out?

I think it's good that we have the ability to admit our mistakes and get rid. Far better that, than feeling obliged to give him a 20 minute run out here and there in order to keep him happy.

Would a £100K (half our Forrester fee) increase in the recruitment staff budget result in a better return on our scouting? Signings like this, Tansey etc would certainly suggest some investment wouldn't be wasted. Although, I have no idea what additional scouting could be bought for that type of money.

I'm going to claim that I had first call on here suggesting that Forrester wasn't up to it (and Gleeson). From the minute I saw him, I could tell that there was a huge part of his game missing to play in the current AFC team. I also called out Tansey before he signed, and Storey. I think I could get a better return on our investments if the club were willing to pay me £100K

I am sure some sort of deal to get him back to Ireland could have been sorted, whether it was a loan or permanent transfer.

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2019, 02:35:47 PM »
I am sure some sort of deal to get him back to Ireland could have been sorted, whether it was a loan or permanent transfer.

Ahhh, I see fit yer saying, apologies. I suspect he's effectively been given a small pay-off with a gardening leave style agreement whereby if he gets a new contract within the life of his contract with us then we stop paying him. Would seem standard.

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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2019, 02:52:34 PM »
so what are you seeing that our scouts arent ? it appears he was going through the motions at peterborough its a strange one and an expensive one if you factor in wages

Fuck knows. I suspect they looked at him and saw a guy that is capable on the ball and pretty capable of doing the range of passing in a similar fashion to Tansey at ICT. Perhaps there is a dearth of statistics (or they are inaccurate) on a player's coverage during a game and the scouts were drawn into the trap of associating balls-skills with running and effort. If a player makes a number of good passes, or nice touches then I suspect they can appear significantly better than they actually are, or be seen to be doing more than they are - just my theory like, probably pish. For Tansey, I suspect that if - as I assume it was him - McInnes saw him in games against us then he was just too close to the action in the dugout. From further back and in the ends (I sit in RDL) it was clear his movement was pap, but he had good quality when on the ball in his days with ICT (again, my theory). In terms of "going through the motions" at Peterborough, I suppose that can be seen in two ways. One is that there is a good player with a bad attitude and the other is that there is a good player with a good attitude that isn't happy in their current environment. You have to assume that AFC saw the latter and saw the huge possibilities for improvements in his game that could turn a cheap investment into a good one. That isn't a ridiculous position to take when it comes to the lowe English leagues. They're a totally different kettle of fish to up here. It was obvious that he didn't have the physical attributes to play in the hoofer divisions, but not unfeasable that he'd have the physique to play in our league. Turned out he was just an absolute fanny as well as not being capable of the additional effort and that became apparent on day one (to me anyway) for us. It was clear almost immediately that, even with huge improvements in the required aspects of his game he wouldn't reach the required level.

In short, fuck knows, I think it's probably just quite a hard job and a lot of it is down to luck!

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2019, 04:16:01 PM »
I don't think we paid £200K with the intention of releasing him in the window.....

I'm not sure what your solution is? Stop paying money for players in case it doesn't work out?

I think it's good that we have the ability to admit our mistakes and get rid. Far better that, than feeling obliged to give him a 20 minute run out here and there in order to keep him happy.

Would a £100K (half our Forrester fee) increase in the recruitment staff budget result in a better return on our scouting? Signings like this, Tansey etc would certainly suggest some investment wouldn't be wasted. Although, I have no idea what additional scouting could be bought for that type of money.

I'm also going to lay claim to writing him off first.....I did so mid August. And laid a doubler with saying Gleeson wouldn''t make it either. Did think both would survive till the summer before leaving in some way or another. I'm now waiting for DM to call with the inevitable offer of making me Head of Scouting. In turn I might offer Rico the new position of Eastern European scout.....

I'm going to claim that I had first call on here suggesting that Forrester wasn't up to it (and Gleeson). From the minute I saw him, I could tell that there was a huge part of his game missing to play in the current AFC team. I also called out Tansey before he signed, and Storey. I think I could get a better return on our investments if the club were willing to pay me £100K

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Re: Chris Forrester - Finished?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2019, 05:24:13 PM »
You've got nae hope, you can't even quote properly...