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Offline BigAl

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2019, 04:22:37 PM »
Hoban stretchered off in tears....left knee gone again. If it's the cruciate again that's his season over

Sad, but looks like Hoban has played his last game for us  :(
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2019, 05:30:18 PM »
lack of cutting edge gms hiding again.. letting wright go looks a bit strange
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2019, 05:35:01 PM »
Dreadful result. Chance was there to make up ground on Sevco but allowing the bottom club to take the lead not just once but twice was totally criminal.

Still cannot fathom what was in Cosgrove's head when he gave away the penalty,  scoring the equaliser barely made up for it. Stewart started well for us when he arrived but we have had to change our style of play and it really isn't working. Still haven't won at home in the league this year and now we are about to go on a run of away games.

Sadly it does indeed look like Hoban has played his last for us......possibly his last ever if it indeed as serious as we think. Even if he does manage to come back yet again.....what club is going to take a chance on him given his horrendous history?

On to McDiarmid next week. Under normal circumstances a point there wouldn't be the worst result in the world but after today nothing less than 3 points will suffice. Off to sevco media to try to resolve my bad mood by enjoying their meltdown which must be in full flow by now

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2019, 06:12:36 PM »
Firstly, that was difficult to watch regarding Hoban, he was breaking his heart, perhaps an admission to himself that he might actually need to give the game up? Obviously I hope not, but it's clearly a very serious injury. Wish him all the best.

On to the game, well, where do you start? Too many not turning up again, it's like they do have this mentality that the lesser the opponent, the lesser the effort and intent required. The last batch of home games have been very underwhelming, and despite a strong scoreline against QOTS, that performance itself was fucking rotten up until a certain point in the 2nd half.

McGinn changed the QOTS game, today he was the polar opposite, GMS was the GMS we've had since the speculation came about regarding his future, Shinnie, well that was up there with his most anonymous performance since he joined us and overall, the amount of mistakes and misplaced passes from the entire midfield today were amateurish.

Cosgrove was literally honking, even before he started scoring for us, his performances were nowhere as bad as people would have you believe, but today, he looked like a player we signed from the dregs of English Football, Devlin was rusty but that was to be expected, Paul McGinn was coping with Lowe pretty easily too.

There wasn't really a pass mark today, and to draw 2-2 at home with the bottom of the league whipping boys is inexcusable, so many poor individuals today and McInnes needs to be braver and drop certain players, it's becoming a bit boring. Greg Stewart was really a standout player for Kilmarnock and in the league in general, we need to play him behind Cosgrove and keep him away for the wider areas, he's already failed there for us in his first spell, not saying he's failing now, but we're not getting the most out of him when he's out wide.

I'm not a manager, so fuck knows, but I'd hate to think where we'd be had it not been for a decent December, results wise. Away to St Johnstone up next, and you wouldn't put it passed them to win comfortably, as TC states, 3 points really is imperative.

It's a math class, the whole deal. Just like every math class, there's a clown in the front, and everybody hates this clown because he raises his hand, he's answering all the questions. What do we do? Move on. Just fucking move on, ready or not. He's deciding we got to move on, he knows his math, I hadn't even figured out about Santa Claus yet.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2019, 06:32:10 PM »
I couldn't make the game after removing a radiator from the wall and then having an issue with a leak which meant I had to stay in all afternoon waiting for a plumber.

Anyway the two loons were at the game and said it was poor stuff, didn't sound great from what I heard on the radio. A real shame for Hoban with his injury, God said on the radio he was in bits on the pitch as he knew it was a bad one, seems a decent sort of loon and looked a good footballer, so fingers crossed he can make a comeback at some point.

I have no idea why DM signed Stewart, he didn't know how to play him last season and he doesn't know how to get the best out of him now, we saw a real player at Kilmarnock and he is a shadow of that player for us.

I have said on here before that DM doesn't improve players and I still stand by that.

Derek Ferguson did say on the radio that Lewis is about to pen a new deal at Pittodrie, so a bit of positive news on the player front.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2019, 06:33:45 PM »
fergie probably has a huns £1m release clause
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2019, 07:37:28 PM »
fergie probably has a huns £1m release clause

Bet he doesn't
Please explain your bizarre comment  ::)
If he felt that way do you really think he would be committing until 2024
Destined for greater things than playing for that shower of shite.
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2019, 07:46:16 PM »
was tongue in cheek... but i do expect ferguson target for gerrard soon
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2019, 07:57:52 PM »
Bet he doesn't
Please explain your bizarre comment  ::)
If he felt that way do you really think he would be committing until 2024
Destined for greater things than playing for that shower of shite.

Sadly Al and despite agreeing with your post, that 'shower of shite' will always be more attractive to play for than us for most players and I do think Ferguson will end up with them at some point, but would love to be proved wrong.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2019, 08:26:24 PM »
Very poor performance from Dons against a very poor St Mirren side. Injury to Hoban looks a real bad one. Would expect he will not play in red again. No idea what Cosgrove was thinking for the penalty. Absolute stupidity. As somebody said he was brutal today but was not the only one. Chance to close the gap on the Tribute Act blown and now Hearts can close gap to 1 point if they win tomorrow.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2019, 09:10:44 PM »
Sadly Al and despite agreeing with your post, that 'shower of shite' will always be more attractive to play for than us for most players and I do think Ferguson will end up with them at some point, but would love to be proved wrong.

If he were to play for The Tribute Act it will be when his career is on a downward spiral rather than now when he is going places. To get him on a deal until the summer of 2024 would be fucking great business
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2019, 09:30:51 PM »
Sad, but looks like Hoban has played his last game for us  :(




Sad for the loon but what the fuck is he doing playing for us in the first place?

Ridiculous to fill the team with perma crocks, this was inevitable.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2019, 09:40:38 PM »
Not for the first time this season our No.19 got me out of trouble with said bet today.  Lost £10 on Aberdeen 4-2 (80/1), £8 Sam Cosgrove First Goal (11/4) and £10 Niall McGinn Last Goal (17/2) before £9.50 Loon Ferguson Anytime Scorer (9/2). 

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2019, 07:55:58 AM »
*sigh*

What a colossal fuck up.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2019, 11:29:32 AM »
I have said on here before that DM doesn't improve players and I still stand by that.

I have heard that comment from a few fans DeeDon and cannot see why that could ever get thrown at McInnes.  Since he's been here Hayes, Jack, McLean have all been sought out by other clubs after their performances for us.  Those players also developed into internationals.

Others such as McKenna, GMS and Shinnie have also started to play international fitba in recent times.  The improvement in Ferguson, Cosgrove, even Max Lowe by his own admission, is there for all to see.

The Greg Stewart thing intrigues me.  Does he simply not have the required mindset to play for a "bigger" club.  He was ok as a big fish in the small pond at Killie and Dundee but in a squad where there are more players of higher ability he struggles.  In fairness, he never really got a sustained run of games the last time he was here, very rarely played the 90 minutes.  Maybe he just needs a bit of time, he's only played 8 games since coming back.


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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2019, 12:19:20 PM »
I tend to think he does improve players but only if they can fit into the system we play. The problem with Stewart is he has been taken in as a winger and hes just not suited to that position. I believe he was playing up front for Kilmarnock and that why he had more success.

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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2019, 01:02:52 PM »
The manager's job description in relation to players will be threefold;

1. Recruit the right players,
2. Develop and improve them, and
3. Manage and inspire them to be the best they could be.

There are other functions and roles of a football manager of course, including reviewing strengths and weaknesses of the opposition, making sure that practise and preparation works optimally, having the right support staff in coaching and scouting etc. etc. but when we talk about developing and improving players, there are some sad examples at AFC.

Reynolds was POTY is his first season. It was possibly (or probably) his injury that set him back but from being one of our best assets, he's been a liability and a drain on our wage bill.

Logan was fantastic in his first year and a half. He's been allowed to regress alarmingly.

Stewart was poor for us last season and yet he was very good at Dundee by all accounts and he was excellent under Steve Clarke. Too early in this return spell to judge yet but sandwiched between his good spells at two other SPFL clubs, he was poor for us.

McGinn was on fire once upon a time, scoring 9 times in 10 games including for his country. He has been allowed to turn into a pedestrian footballer, only very occasionally showing glimpses of the undoubted quality that he has.

GMS was similarly rejected by Celtic and equally frustrating is that he too has magic within him. He also doesn't produce consistently and without being able to perform at a good enough level enough of the time, you can't possibly expect to succeed.

Considine has not improved over the last 5/6 years. He's just an honest workhorse who has arguably been totally mismanaged but the biggest crime in relation to developing footballers has been our youth.

Remember that this is the manager who didn't think young James Maddison was good enough to start, a superb footballing potential who became an England international. Scott Wright, Bruce Anderson, Dean Campbell, Frank Ross, Connor McLennan have all showed great potential in the last 12 months but none of them have been given a decent chance. A great manager inspires youth and fills their heads with belief and super-confidence. The very fact that McInnes doesn't ever give them a big run is tantamount to telling them the manager doesn't think they're good enough.

On recruitment, McInnes is an obvious fail. On developing and improving, he is also a big fail for me.

The Kenny McLean example isn't a validation for McInnes. He was always a good player (so a recruitment pass) but he was allowed to get lazy and only started producing when other clubs came sniffing around. After he signed for Norwich, we finally saw the best of him so it was player-motivation rather than man-management.

Hayes was consistently good for us. He didn't improve under McInnes. He was always good and unlike McGinn, he never got lazy nor allowed himself to fail to produce. Ryan Jack was someone who never lost possession and was always going to be a valuable asset. Just because he got signed by them doesn't mean our manager specifically improved him as a footballer. Shinnie might have been the best LB in the country but has had too many bad games for us this season, mixed in with some great battling performances, which comes with his nature and desire. He's another potentially excellent footballer who isn't consistent enough under this manager. As for McKenna, who McInnes was forced to pick for Fir Park less than 18 months ago, he's always been a big unit who is very useful in the middle of defence but he's got his limitations and any improvement that he might be showing - and I don't see it personally, he's consistently been at this standard (so why wasn't he played earlier?) - will be simple maturation and more experience. Cosgrove is a £20k footballer and will never be a superstar. His "improvement" might not be a result of any technical coaching but the simple confidence that the first couple of goals give. I don't see any technical improvements in any of McInnes's footballers, ever.
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2019, 01:12:28 PM »
Stevie May another spectacular example of a footballer going backwards under McInnes.
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Re: Dons - Helen Mirren - sat
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2019, 07:30:27 PM »
Awful game, no positives to take from yesterday.  G.M.S looking like he doesn't want to be here, McGinn totally anonymous .  No spark to Shinnie's game either, looks like he is off, just wondering if he is following Jack to the darkside hence his reluctance to tell us his move.
   Real shame for Hoban yesterday, happened right in front of us in the mainer & the lad was screaming in pain, doubting very much we will see him in a Dons shirt again ( or even in any shirt), guy looks a class act.
   Slack passing from Devlin yesterday, but to be fair he has been out for a while, not yet up to speed.
                   Surprised D.M waited so long to make subs (or am i ) ?  We look disjointed as a team, slow getting forward, slow build up play & poor passing, far too many backward/sideways passes.  We should have brought on some pace up top with Anderson & Wright (oh! hold on).

    Absolutely stupid challenge from Cosgrove for their penalty, what was he thinking ?  BalloonD'Or more like :'(

Luckily all the teams just below us got beat or drew , so no real damage done, but no way are we finishing runners up this season .