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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2018, 09:55:38 AM »
Well put as ever Bobby. I hope McInnes has the intelligence to try and use that day to motivate.

He doesn't have any intelligence and neither can he motivate, even though this is a basic, fundamental requirement of the job.

It was last century when I last saw us lose to the OF at Hampden and I've never missed Aberdeen winning against them there since I was at school, well over 40 years ago. We've lost plenty at Hampden since then but I chose not to go.

When I was a kid, I hated the stay-aways who only turned up for big games, filling Pittodrie on European nights, swelling Hampden for the finals but not turning up for the Motherwells and St Mirrens. I referred to them as glory-hunters.

This was because I didn't have a choice. I was an Aberdeen supporter and supporting your team is what we did, through thick and thin. After self employment 25 years ago and having a family etc. I find that I do have a choice on how to spend my time and my money. I enjoyed watching live football 3 or 4 times a month back then. I don't enjoy watching AFC 8 or 10 times a year now and I make a point of going to lower league football to supplement my addiction and scratch the itch. I'm definitely not a glory-hunter therefore and I look forward to the day when Aberdeen beat Celtic or Rangers at the national stadium and I wasn't there to see it. That hasn't happened since the 70's and it ain't happening in the upcoming semi either. Gerrard wants to win. McInnes wants to be in employment. Winners go for it. Jobsworths don't take risks.
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2018, 05:13:58 PM »
Well put as ever Bobby. I hope McInnes has the intelligence to try and use that day to motivate.

If our players need to be motivated by the manager for this game against the Huns , we're fucked before the kick-off.

And McInnes is intelligent enough to know not to waste any time on a game that took place 18 years ago , that just about none of our squad will give a fuck about , to motivate them.  I hope he uses his time trying to organise the team to compete with and outplay the Huns.






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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2018, 12:36:36 PM »
According to the latest rumours the latest Aberdeen ticket sales for semi are under 9000.

Will be lucky if we reach 15000.   :frown:
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2018, 01:16:20 PM »
Basically, all the seats with an actual view of the pitch have been sold then? The seats with a binoculars-only view of the pitch have not been.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2018, 08:28:24 AM »
Hardly surprising so few have been sold.  Fans have been completely sold up the river with this one. Shame, because the huns will love it.

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« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2018, 09:06:43 AM »
If (when) we don't sell all our tickets for this one it'll be hard to complain about future allocations. For the club to stand up for the fans - for once - and argue for more than initially allocated, and be given more, and then not get the support of the fans is pretty poor.
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2018, 09:45:23 AM »
If (when) we don't sell all our tickets for this one it'll be hard to complain about future allocations. For the club to stand up for the fans - for once - and argue for more than initially allocated, and be given more, and then not get the support of the fans is pretty poor.


I believe this will be the way forward until Aberdeen and the rest of the SPFL clubs come to their senses regarding the bias regarding Celtic and Rangers. With total TV coverage these days no need to travel down on a Sunday to Glasgow and watch your club play anymore. Is the lack of tickets sales down to fans making a statement or just an excuse not to travel, I don't really know but I can see it getting worse due to fan apathy in the future.
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #127 on: October 16, 2018, 09:50:43 AM »

I believe this will be the way forward until Aberdeen and the rest of the SPFL clubs come to their senses regarding the bias regarding Celtic and Rangers. With total TV coverage these days no need to travel down on a Sunday to Glasgow and watch your club play anymore. Is the lack of tickets sales down to fans making a statement or just an excuse not to travel, I don't really know but I can see it getting worse due to fan apathy in the future.

I disagree with that.  If the club took any notice of fan feeling they'd have known a lot of people were getting sick and tired of the game and unlikely to travel.  I've not missed a Dons game at Hampden for decades but due to the way the SPFL and SFA are acting towards the club, I'm not putting a penny into their competition.  I feel bad that I'm not going, but there's no way I'm funding the SPFL.  If we get to the final there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't get a 50/50 split.  The attendance at the semi shouldn't be a factor

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #128 on: October 16, 2018, 09:53:34 AM »
If (when) we don't sell all our tickets for this one it'll be hard to complain about future allocations. For the club to stand up for the fans - for once - and argue for more than initially allocated, and be given more, and then not get the support of the fans is pretty poor.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #129 on: October 16, 2018, 11:51:05 AM »
Apologies, this was post I meant to quote above

If people aren't going to the semi as some kind of anti spfl or sfa thing then that's their right. But to shift maybe 15,000 tickets for a semi and expect 23,000 for the final is a bit rich - presumably those same people will continue their "protest" for the final anyway?
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2018, 12:43:17 PM »
If people aren't going to the semi as some kind of anti spfl or sfa thing then that's their right. But to shift maybe 15,000 tickets for a semi and expect 23,000 for the final is a bit rich - presumably those same people will continue their "protest" for the final anyway?

A cup final is completely different and assuming there's sufficient demand, then a 50/50 split is correct, regardless of how many attended the semi.  I'm not having a protest, I'm just sick to the bones of the way we get treated by the authorities in this country and refuse to fund their competition.  I hope we get to the final and get a 50pc split on tickets, but even if we do, I'll give it a miss.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2018, 12:53:13 PM »
If people aren't going to the semi as some kind of anti spfl or sfa thing then that's their right. But to shift maybe 15,000 tickets for a semi and expect 23,000 for the final is a bit rich - presumably those same people will continue their "protest" for the final anyway?

It should always be a 50/50 split, with the understanding that if one team can't sell out their allocation then the other team has an option to obtain more.

It doesn't matter what club it is, there will always be more 'fans' looking for tickets for cup finals or the big meaningful games than most of the meaningless games, that's always been the fickle nature of football in general not just Aberdeen.  We didn't even sell out Pittodrie for our next home game after we took 40000+ fans to Parkhead for the League Cup final in 2014.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #132 on: October 16, 2018, 01:27:20 PM »
It's a supposedly neutral venue. Therefore the initial ticket allocation should reflect this. Only after a deadline for ticket sales has passed, should the imbalance be addressed.
To do otherwise makes it a home match for the side with more tickets.

We went through this nonsense for the infamous 2000 cup final, when the hordes received more tickets and turned up wearing orange I seem to recall.

It seems the authorities or The Rangers can't get this fair concept of neutrality through their neanderthal sculls.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2018, 02:56:25 PM »
If people aren't going to the semi as some kind of anti spfl or sfa thing then that's their right. But to shift maybe 15,000 tickets for a semi and expect 23,000 for the final is a bit rich - presumably those same people will continue their "protest" for the final anyway?

Bullshit. Have you seen our allocation of tickets? We get nothing in the North stand, we get half of a stand that has a decent view, plus 13K tickets in a stand with a shite view that no-one should be buying in. We're being sold substandard tickets in a venue fucking miles away. The huns get about 16K of tickets with a prime view and lo and behold they get sold immediately. Somebody earlier in the thread compared Hertz at Murrayfield, but we'd have sold much more than our Hampden sales by now if we were playing there. Sounds to me like we've sold our tickets for the good area and not for the shite area.

A fair allocation would have seen huns in the South and West and us in the East and North. We'd have had 12K or so of good seats and 10-12K of shite seats. The shite seats unsold could be given back to the hun SFA for sale to the hun huns.

It really is as simple as saying we're being offered a second class seat - still at a shite time for travel - and expecting people to attend. If we can take 13-14K, that would be a great achievement. Our final ticket allocation - unlikely as it is to be required - should not be affected by that. It's like giving a kid a mouldy carrot for main course and then denying them pudding because they didnae finish it.


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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2018, 03:43:37 PM »
Bullshit. Have you seen our allocation of tickets? We get nothing in the North stand, we get half of a stand that has a decent view, plus 13K tickets in a stand with a shite view that no-one should be buying in. We're being sold substandard tickets in a venue fucking miles away. The huns get about 16K of tickets with a prime view and lo and behold they get sold immediately. Somebody earlier in the thread compared Hertz at Murrayfield, but we'd have sold much more than our Hampden sales by now if we were playing there. Sounds to me like we've sold our tickets for the good area and not for the shite area.

A fair allocation would have seen huns in the South and West and us in the East and North. We'd have had 12K or so of good seats and 10-12K of shite seats. The shite seats unsold could be given back to the hun SFA for sale to the hun huns.

It really is as simple as saying we're being offered a second class seat - still at a shite time for travel - and expecting people to attend. If we can take 13-14K, that would be a great achievement. Our final ticket allocation - unlikely as it is to be required - should not be affected by that. It's like giving a kid a mouldy carrot for main course and then denying them pudding because they didnae finish it.

I don't for a minute disagree that we're treated as second class citizens when it comes to the arrangements, and, indeed, football as a whole. However, you either go to see and support your team, enjoy the atmosphere and hopefully celebrate a win. If people aren't going to the game because they can't get the best seat in the house then the TV companies have definitely won.

There's some list of excuses why people aren't buying tickets, from your suggested "I don't want to sit in a shite seat" to others' "the SFA/SPFL are all Hun bastards" when the reality is that people aren't going because they're not really that interested and/or they expect us to get beat.
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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #135 on: October 16, 2018, 03:58:21 PM »
... the reality is that people aren't going because they're not really that interested and/or they expect us to get beat.

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2018, 04:02:35 PM »
I don't for a minute disagree that we're treated as second class citizens when it comes to the arrangements, and, indeed, football as a whole. However, you either go to see and support your team, enjoy the atmosphere and hopefully celebrate a win. If people aren't going to the game because they can't get the best seat in the house then the TV companies have definitely won.

There's some list of excuses why people aren't buying tickets, from your suggested "I don't want to sit in a shite seat" to others' "the SFA/SPFL are all Hun bastards" when the reality is that people aren't going because they're not really that interested and/or they expect us to get beat.

That last bit is simply untrue.  It's all well and good your romantic description of everyone uniting to support the team but there's people like me who have simply had enough of being treated as second class due to the Glasgow FA pandering to their beloved brothers.  I'm sick of the SPFL and SFA and won't fund them

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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2018, 04:16:42 PM »
The North Stand should have been a 50/50 split.
Concession tickets should have been made available in the North Stand.

If I take the grandson behind the goal he will see fuck all.
He would see next to fuck all if everyone remained seated.

If I go to the front row to avoid people standing then he might get a view of the goalies arse.

If I was a 70 year old mannie that can't afford a full price ticket then the same applies.

So

Half the North stand with the front 10 rows (or whatever) reserved for auld mannies and folk with kids.

It's not difficult is it?


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Re: League Cup Semi Finals
« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2018, 05:30:16 PM »
The North Stand should have been a 50/50 split.
Concession tickets should have been made available in the North Stand.

If I take the grandson behind the goal he will see fuck all.
He would see next to fuck all if everyone remained seated.

If I go to the front row to avoid people standing then he might get a view of the goalies arse.

If I was a 70 year old mannie that can't afford a full price ticket then the same applies.

So

Half the North stand with the front 10 rows (or whatever) reserved for auld mannies and folk with kids.

It's not difficult is it?


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The reason I suggested the whole of the North stand for us is because it's smaller than the South. We basically split the 50-50 North-East v South-West (or North-West v South-East if preferred).

I sympathise with the idea that there might not be a full dons support and I think that the additional hun should be catered for if we send back tickets. We get the good view of the North and one of the ends and the tickets we don't sell in the ends get given back to the hun with appropriate segregation. The problem with splitting down the middle is that you end up with an empty part of the stadium between the dons fans in the South and those in the North and we should be amicable to a full stadium (just as ICT were at Parkhead). So it has to be one full wing each as those are the stands that are available.

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... the reality is that people aren't going because they're not really that interested and/or they expect us to get beat.

I accept that point of view, and I do think that there's a large element of our support who would only have attended if we were likely to win (see ICT). However there is still a signifcant number who won't be going because of the second class seat allocation.

Put it this way - and bearing in mind how much of a superfan I am - if Tamzarian had text (whatsapp ken, it's the 21st century) me to say that he could only get tickets to the right of section I-1 below, I'd have told him not to bother. I just wouldn't have bought tickets for such a shite seat. Anyone going online to purchase would be faced with that too, and I would say it is a lot to ask folk to look past.


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« Reply #139 on: October 16, 2018, 07:58:26 PM »
Some guy on fez book saying he'd gone to the club shop today and we'd only sold 8,200. Hopefully a decent performance at the weekend may say a few more to get tickets.