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Online Elgindon

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 07:12:34 PM »
David Begg


Another one who believes our National Stadium is for just for the Ugly Sisters and their fans to use.


   Always liked David Begg too,canna believe he said that.   Flippin poultice    :hammer:

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2018, 07:40:26 AM »
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Joan Collins claims Hampden is finished — and believes former players should be part of the decision-making process regarding the stadium’s future. The former Scotland star insists national team games should tour the country and that prospective Old Firm cup finals could be alternated between Ibrox and Celtic Park.

Let's get the SFA to pay for upgrades to Ibrox and Parkhead and play ALL our National games and cup finals at these two grounds.

What exactly does Joan Collins do for a living apart from talk complete shit ?
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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2018, 08:50:27 PM »
I could be wrong but I believe one of the reasons competitive scotland games are no longer 'toured' around the country is because only 4 stadiums meet UEFA's pathetic excuse for criteria for competitive internationals (category 4). 3 in Glasgow, 1 in Edinburgh (and its a rugby one).

For all the good work Hearts and Hibs have done I believe there is little or nothing they can do to get the category 4 rating short of demolishing relatively new stands and sacrificing standard seats for corporate and media facilities (2tv studios, 10 commentary positions minimum 150 VIP car parking spaces, 1000m2 external area for tv vans to name but a few criteria).

Same applies for Rugby Park and definetly for pittodrie.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2018, 09:16:04 PM »
I could be wrong but I believe one of the reasons competitive scotland games are no longer 'toured' around the country is because only 4 stadiums meet UEFA's pathetic excuse for criteria for competitive internationals (category 4). 3 in Glasgow, 1 in Edinburgh (and its a rugby one).

For all the good work Hearts and Hibs have done I believe there is little or nothing they can do to get the category 4 rating short of demolishing relatively new stands and sacrificing standard seats for corporate and media facilities (2tv studios, 10 commentary positions minimum 150 VIP car parking spaces, 1000m2 external area for tv vans to name but a few criteria).

Same applies for Rugby Park and definetly for pittodrie.

I have been to qualifiers in recent years that do not meet the above criteria so other countries must be finding ways round the above criteria. Much like the UEFA rules for Europa league.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2018, 09:26:09 PM »
I have been to qualifiers in recent years that do not meet the above criteria so other countries must be finding ways round the above criteria. Much like the UEFA rules for Europa league.

Could you give a couple of examples as I'm struggling with this category bullshit and cant believe the likes of Andorra, Faroe islands etc meet this.
Wondering if UEFA just pick and choose as it suits
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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2018, 08:59:20 AM »
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Urging the SFA to use Murrayfield, Ibrox and Parkhead, Souness told The Sunday Times: 'I was working in Scotland when they were talking about spending all the money on revamping Hampden and, at the time, I said: "Why are you doing that? You've got two fabulous stadiums in Glasgow and one in Edinburgh. Why not use all three and go and build a hospital instead?". I was much-criticised for it, but that's still my thinking.
'It's not the stadium that's important. It's the supporters and the support won't be less if it's at Murrayfield, Ibrox or Celtic Park rather than Hampden.
'Could you not introduce a rule that if Celtic or Rangers get to a cup final, it goes to the other stadium? If both get there, it could be at Murrayfield, or they could toss up or take it alternate times. There are ways round everything.'

I really wish that Souness would stop getting quoted about this issue.

He does speak some crap.
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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2018, 09:33:31 AM »
I really wish that Souness would stop getting quoted about this issue.

He does speak some crap.

You might not agree with his opinion on this particular occasion (I think he's a populist dick) but he's certainly not speaking nonsense in that particular quote. His suggested solution is fairly logical and not controversial. Which parts do you have issue with?

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2018, 09:52:46 AM »
You might not agree with his opinion on this particular occasion (I think he's a populist dick) but he's certainly not speaking nonsense in that particular quote. His suggested solution is fairly logical and not controversial. Which parts do you have issue with?


The SFA would have to use public money to renovate Parkhead and Ibrox which only benefits the owners of the stadiums.

We do not require 3 different venues to play Scotland matches or Cup Finals.

By all accounts it looks like the SFA are trying to buy Hampden on the cheap from Queens Park anyway.

And another reason is that Souness is a populist dick as you have mentioned.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2018, 01:48:06 PM »
We do not require 3 different venues to play Scotland matches or Cup Finals.

Aye, I see fit yer saying, I agree with you on that. If Murayfield were given the green light then there would be no need for the other two. Similarly if we chose one of Parkhead or Ibrox. The notion that we couldn't choose one of either Parkhead or Ibrox either is a symptom of the biggest problem in our game.

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By all accounts it looks like the SFA are trying to buy Hampden on the cheap from Queens Park anyway

I'm not sure why QP don't just put it on the market for sale to the highest bidder, be it for flats or fitever. That would stop the SFA dicking about and put the whole thing to bed. QP could get themselves a cracking stadium somewhere else with a wedge leftover for coke and stippers.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2018, 05:46:45 PM »
The Record are going with the SFA offering Queens Park £4 million for Hampdung. QP are supposedly after £6 million which will allow them to do up Lesser Hampden. The whole site is huge I would have thought QP could have got a far bigger offer from a developer ( If Pittodrie is "worth" circa £20 million then the whole Hampden site Id have guessed worth at least twice that probably nearer 3 times it). That would have taken the whole question out of the SFA's hands at a stroke.

I really would have preferred a new dedicated ground built near a motorway and accessible within an hour of Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee  but that isn't on the cards so Murrayfield to me is the best option. We should only use it for actual qualifiers though. Friendlies can be taken round the country. What has to be avoided at all costs is the SFA saying that Ibrokes/Porkheed will become the dedicated options on a rotational basis.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2018, 01:53:50 PM »
BBC saying we’re sticking with Hampden.

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2018, 03:39:11 PM »
BBC saying we’re sticking with Hampden.

The deal that means Scottish football will remain at its spiritual home will see the SFA buy Hampden Park from part-timers Queen’s Park.
Scottish businessman and former non-executive Celtic director Haughey will provide half of the £5m figure.


“We have heard the fans’ views throughout the process and agree with them that we need to improve access, transport links and the overall experience.
“We are committed to doing that.”



Two things:

1…..What is Lord Willie Haughey getting out of this wee loan to the SFA?

2....When have the SFA EVER listened to the fans vews ?

The SFA will demand public funds to renovate Hampden which will take a while, and use Parkhead and Ibrox as the stadiums for Cup Finals and semi finals.


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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2018, 08:27:03 PM »
Sportsound & co citing Stuttgarty's stadium as an example of what could be done at Hampden

2006 World Cup (58million euro redevelopment) 52000 capacity



After redevelopment (completed 2011 63.5million euros) 64000 capacity (54000 when all seated)



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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2018, 03:50:33 PM »
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The Scottish FA also hinted that redevelopment of Hampden may be possible through ownership, but did not go into detail.

I bet they fucking didn't  :laughing:
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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2018, 08:24:46 PM »
I bet they fucking didn't  :laughing:

Do you?
You rent a property and one day you decide to make some improvements. If yer a 'good' tenant you ask your landlord for permission who in turn will need to consider if your changes will improve or potentially damage their investment. In a domestic property if its merely painting a room then yer usually fine as it wont cost much to rectify and they could always withold yer deposit at the end. If you start knocking down walls or extending then its another matter.
In commercial property its common for lease agreements to have a clause stating you will return the property back to the state it was prior to occupation but you still need to get permission from the landlord to do anything and if you do it against their wishes they can kick you out.
Now Queens park may be a small amatuer club but they were the owners and whatever the SFA proposed the Spiders opening gambit would be 'whats in it for us?'.
Businesses come along saying they want to buy the naming rights - 'whats in it for us?'
We'd like to build offices, shops, a hotel, student halls into the structure of a new stand(s) to build revenue streams -  'whats in it for us?'

and so on

Now Queens park are gone its one less hurdle for potential investors plus now the SFA have an asset they can take out loans against
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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2018, 08:40:56 PM »
fucking multi millionaire weedgies jumping in to financially secure the future of that grey fucking shitehole. Actually makes me even more pissed off than just the standard corrupt incompetent pricks that normally fuck everything up.


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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2018, 11:09:24 PM »
fucking multi millionaire weedgies jumping in to financially secure the future of that grey fucking shitehole. Actually makes me even more pissed off than just the standard corrupt incompetent pricks that normally fuck everything up.

I assume Tom Farmer isn't a weegie? That aside, it's a good point. The national game shoudn't be an investment vehicle for someone who owns nearby property or wants to make a mint off hotels and shite. I know it is, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be. Fitba really isn't a sport anymore, is it?

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2018, 02:19:37 AM »
I assume Tom Farmer isn't a weegie? That aside, it's a good point. The national game shoudn't be an investment vehicle for someone who owns nearby property or wants to make a mint off hotels and shite. I know it is, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be. Fitba really isn't a sport anymore, is it?

Agreed

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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2018, 08:16:20 AM »
I assume Tom Farmer isn't a weegie? That aside, it's a good point. The national game shoudn't be an investment vehicle for someone who owns nearby property or wants to make a mint off hotels and shite. I know it is, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be. Fitba really isn't a sport anymore, is it?

good point about Farmer, got too caught up in my own rant to fact check.

Still boils my piss though.
Of course, I may be doing the corrupt bastards a disservice. With full ownership of Hampden there's maybe a secret plan to sell it and then rebuild a proper stadium in a centrally accessible part of Scotland. 


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Re: The national stadium question
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2018, 10:44:40 AM »
good point about Farmer, got too caught up in my own rant to fact check.

Still boils my piss though.
Of course, I may be doing the corrupt bastards a disservice. With full ownership of Hampden there's maybe a secret plan to sell it and then rebuild a proper stadium in a centrally accessible part of Scotland. 

Aye, I do that! Facts are for dicks. To be honest, if we were moving down the route of "centrally accessible" then we'd be far better served not building a stadium and moving games around the country. Semis and Scotland games against Albania and the likes can go to Edinburgh or Westhill when not featuring the scum. Big Scotland games, semis and finals to one of the scum grounds or Murrayfield on occasion. The notion that we should be signing up to some sort of X year contract to always play games in a particular ground is a serious problem too (see Dons v Motherwell and Dons v St Johnstone recently). Sell hampden and put the money into something useful like grassroots development or knocking down Ibrox.