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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2019, 11:01:33 AM »
I think this was a massive issue of mine.  He clearly knew that on paper, he was one of the best footballers at the club, but McInnes barely ever dropped him (can remember one or two occasions?) which allowed him to be lazy.  75% lands at DM's door.

I think DM has handled Wright horrifically.  I'm not sure if i'm 100% sold on him, but he was shifted all over the shop.  He's clearly a confidence player and DM hasn't allowed him to ever build it up. As Rico said, this Dundee move should have happened 12 months ago.  Poor vision from DM. Again.

I have never played the game to any decent level and I am sure most of the posters on here are the same.  It always make me wonder what sort of an effect getting dropped must have on a players confidence.  It seems to be the easy option looking at it from a fans perspective but what effect does it have on the manager/player relationship in the longer term? 

I look at it from the point of view of someone working in another industry..the boss says to you that you did not do a very good job of the last project so someone else is going to take charge of the next one instead - it is bound to rock the boat in certain situations.  There's got to be a certain element of loyalty in management, you cannot expect players to run through a brick wall for you then kick them out of the team after a few under par performances.   

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2019, 11:10:33 AM »
i played ayrshire amateur and junior so not pro but a reasonable level... being dropped can have a number of effects depends on reasons why and man management, if i was dropped it usually made me more determined to play better
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2019, 11:15:45 AM »
McInnes is clever in a street smart sort of way. By showing loyalty to his senior players, he garners their continuous support but the cost is playing and developing young talents and success. But where his goal is a wage and he knows the chairman doesn't expect him to do the unexpected (and win the league), he takes the easy option.

There have always been ever-presents in his time at AFC, those players who were "too good to be dropped" but they were screaming to be dropped at many times due to extended runs of bad form. It's only now that McGinn and May are seeing some bench time but Lewis Ferguson and Shinnie have been allowed to keep playing through poor sequences exactly like McLean was allowed to do.

Edit: Ryhun never got dropped either but there were times he could've been. By doing so, not only would it have told him he needed to be better it's telling the whole squad that nobody's invincible and gives others chances.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2019, 11:27:53 AM »
i played ayrshire amateur and junior so not pro but a reasonable level... being dropped can have a number of effects depends on reasons why and man management, if i was dropped it usually made me more determined to play better

It's certainly a fine line Ayrshire and I would guess very dependent upon the character of the player you are dealing with.  If you take someone like Mesut Ozil, he's been dropped out of the Arsenal team but has the manager really gained anything from doing it?  The team is playing poorly, the fans are questioning why their most creative player is not in the team and in the meantime their most valuable asset is falling in value.  Difficult to compare Kenny McLean with Mesut Ozil, I know  ;)

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2019, 10:47:34 AM »
I see Wright was credited with assists for both Dundee goals last night.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2019, 11:04:27 AM »
He was indeed Rocket, and apparently their 2nd was a great bit of play involving 1-2's etc...and Wright was at the heart of it.

He is certainly enjoying himself there, scoring a few and creating a few, BBC Sport said he was up front with Craig Curran, or paying off Curran, in any case, they said he was central and not out wide, I am happy for him and I hope he comes back a better, more confident player that can contribute on a consistent basis for Aberdeen.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2019, 07:41:19 AM »
That's the point of loans and i'm glad to see he's grabbing his chance! I'd rather he comes back and contributes than goes off into the wilderness.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2019, 10:52:18 AM »
The point of loans is to give experience to young footballers who aren't yet good enough to get a game for us.

I don't see footballers at Pittodrie that are so much better than Wright to excuse the fact he's played so little for us.

He's also not a youngster, turning 22 this summer.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2019, 01:54:09 PM »
It's certainly a fine line Ayrshire and I would guess very dependent upon the character of the player you are dealing with.  If you take someone like Mesut Ozil, he's been dropped out of the Arsenal team but has the manager really gained anything from doing it?  The team is playing poorly, the fans are questioning why their most creative player is not in the team and in the meantime their most valuable asset is falling in value.  Difficult to compare Kenny McLean with Mesut Ozil, I know  ;)

Ozil creative? That's news to me. He's poop and has been poop for approximately 99% of his games for Arsenal and I'm nae surprised that he's been benched. I'm surprised it took this long. If their fans are questioning it then they're nae watching.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2019, 06:29:13 AM »

He's also not a youngster, turning 22 this summer.

True, which is why it's so important for him to get a run of games.  He's never had that, which is down to the mismanagement.  A dee I know said he was MOTM last week.  Will do his confidence no end of good.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2019, 10:04:00 AM »
Unfortunately for him, he can no longer be viewed as an up and coming player. So to justify a run of games, he has to perform well above average in every one to keep him ahead of the more established player (s) he is replacing. He did well in the league cup against St Mirren but picked up a niggle that ruled him out a couple of weeks. Nevertheless he still got game time once he was fit again. And looked utterly underwhelming.

There is talk ( obviously unsubstantiated) that DM wanted him to go out on loan at the start of the season as we could not guarantee him playing time without a substantial injury/suspension list and that the player himself had turned this down. Whatever the circumstances, he has now taken the option and looks to have started well. But he's now a bigger fish in a smaller pond....and against Hivs who could never be described as a defensive minded side it wouldn't be too hard to look good, even in a losing side ( personally I thought that he did nothing of note other than the. 2 assists and should have been red carded late on.....wouldn't surprise me to see retrospective action still being taken).

As a local loon I think people are desperate for him to do well. He will return to us in summer all the better for his loan, but he has to kick on immediately and cement a regular starting slot....he will be 22 by then....or else I can see him being allowed to leave for a smallish fee, possibly even free, next January. Will he make it with us? My instincts say no sadly, but I'd love him to prove me wrong

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2019, 10:25:25 AM »
TC you keep on repeating yourself. You admitted less than a year ago that he'd not been given enough game time and you have always suspected he's not good enough. Nothing has changed. He's still not had enough starts to justify any of us having a strong opinion one way or the other. You fail to appreciate the failure of management and how subs appearances doesn't give the same confidence as a proper run in the team.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2019, 11:24:35 AM »
Perhaps I do. Here is what I envisage though. He is already behind McGinn for a starting place. If we sign Stewart permanently, he becomes at best 3rd choice for a starting role. So will be allowed to leave. If we don't sign Stewart, he has a chance to usurp a slowing, ageing McGinn but will have 6 months to do so otherwise we will sign somebody who will again push him down the pecking order ( and probably out the door).

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« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2019, 01:56:33 PM »
Really was bad planning letting Wright go on loan.

I disagree. Wright is of the age that he either needs to do something or get shipped. Another 6 months sitting on our bench with the occasional appearance here and there would have done him no good. It might have been useful for us in the short term, but we've got to put the development of our youth first and if that means we lose out on a player for the few games he might have been useful in then so be it. A good run of games at Dundee - if he gets them - is far more than we could have offered him. After 3 months rusting on the bench since January too, we'd probably end up with a worse player out wide than Stewart who he'd be brought in to replace. To me, it wasn't bad planning, it was just a choice that had to be made. I think McInnes took that short term approach with Wright a year ago and it totally backfired then, so he had to make up for it this time round.

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« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2019, 02:20:34 PM »
it was bad planning in that he hasnt a clue how to deploy stewart plus also letting Frank Ross go (another winger ?) the decision in isolation makese sense as you say but overall poor decision making
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Re: Re: Killie - Dons - Sat
« Reply #75 on: April 18, 2019, 02:29:49 PM »
it was bad planning in that he hasnt a clue how to deploy stewart plus also letting Frank Ross go (another winger ?) the decision in isolation makese sense as you say but overall poor decision making

No, I'm saying the opposite. Overall, the decision was correct, but in isolation it looks like poor planning.

Has he let Frank Ross go? I thought he was injured?

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Re: Re: Killie - Dons - Sat
« Reply #76 on: April 18, 2019, 03:46:52 PM »
As far as I'm aware Frank Ross is still with us but unlikely to get a contract extension and his back injury isn't responding to treatment.

It was absolutely the correct decision to send Wright to Dundee. He wasn't going to get much game time ahead of GMS, McGinn and Stewart. And would possibly have hindered the progress of McLennan (who has without doubt benefitted most from GMS long periods of absence). As it happens, he's only played 5 times for Dundee. Had a very good start, I'm not sure if he's injured (if he is there hasn't been any news of it though) but suspect what I've always thought...…...he just isn't good enough consistently to play in the top level of Scottish football. He will return to us in the summer with 2 years left on his contract and I suspect we will allow him to move on if he can fix himself up with another club. Not even convinced he has the physique that will allow him to succeed at a Championship club.

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Re: Re: Killie - Dons - Sat
« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2019, 04:25:45 PM »
I disagree. Wright is of the age that he either needs to do something or get shipped. Another 6 months sitting on our bench with the occasional appearance here and there would have done him no good. It might have been useful for us in the short term, but we've got to put the development of our youth first and if that means we lose out on a player for the few games he might have been useful in then so be it. A good run of games at Dundee - if he gets them - is far more than we could have offered him. After 3 months rusting on the bench since January too, we'd probably end up with a worse player out wide than Stewart who he'd be brought in to replace. To me, it wasn't bad planning, it was just a choice that had to be made. I think McInnes took that short term approach with Wright a year ago and it totally backfired then, so he had to make up for it this time round.

Have to disagree.

He would have got 6 games minimum if he was still here plus there have been times since January he would given us a different option off the bench so enough games to develop further. We have too small a squad with too many bench fillers who offer zero attacking options to let a player like Wright go out on loan.

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Re: Re: Killie - Dons - Sat
« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2019, 06:18:32 PM »
Have to disagree.

He would have got 6 games minimum if he was still here plus there have been times since January he would given us a different option off the bench so enough games to develop further. We have too small a squad with too many bench fillers who offer zero attacking options to let a player like Wright go out on loan.

But he hasn't even managed 6 games for Dundee.....Don't you think that speaks volumes?

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Re: Re: Killie - Dons - Sat
« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2019, 06:32:47 PM »
it was bad planning in that he hasnt a clue how to deploy stewart plus also letting Frank Ross go (another winger ?) the decision in isolation makese sense as you say but overall poor decision making

I think it was good planning, trying to get Wright regular games. DM made the assumption he'd have GMS and Mcginn, plus Stewart, McLennan, and even May to play wide. He couldn't offer Wright the minutes he needs. Turns out GMS is lost, Mcginn past it, plus Stewart and May gash wide. Mclennan is learning not to fall over the ball. Ho hum.