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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 03:11:59 PM »
Wright has been shite. And barring that performance against Partick (meaningless game for them if you recall) has always been shite. When it comes to a choice between him or McGinn it's a no brainer. I do agree that he could've been punted out on loan though.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2018, 03:49:16 PM »
When it comes to a choice between him or McGinn it's a no brainer.

I agree that he's been largely pish (had a good game against Partick this season too).

However, often the choice isn't between him and McGinn. It's between him and a McGinn* (Christie, GMS etc) who's had 60 minutes of doing nothing and isn't likely to do anything for the next 20 minutes before the meaningless sub eventually takes place. The argument isn't McGinn v Wright, which holds an obvious answer, it's McGinn playing at 70% versus Wright, and then things are evened up significantly. It's about why McInnes thinks that bringing on Wright (or Stewart or whoever) is okay to do with 8 minutes to go, but not with 30 minutes. McGinn trumps Wright on any given day, but he's also left on the pitch a huge number of times when he has been largely ineffectual. McInnes will say "well, Niall can change things in an instant", however on the overwhelming majority of occasions he doesn't. Is it worth keeping Wright on the bench 10 times, because McGinn might do something out of nothing on one of those?

*I'm singling out McGinn, but it good be any of our front four this season.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2019, 07:15:26 PM »
Michael Stewart just described Scott Wright as a sensational young talent following his setting up the equaliser and scoring a sublime free kick for the winner.

McInnes and some of our fans don't agree.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2019, 07:32:38 PM »
He is a sensational young talent, but if anyone can curb his talent it is D.M.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2019, 08:26:51 PM »
I think the loan was the correct thing to do. Loads of fans clamoured for him to get thrown in and he did get a fair number of games before the break, yet apart from one excellent showing against St Boo in the league cup he failed to shine and looked underwhelming to say the least.

The jury is out, he will be a regular at Dundee and if he does well his confidence will be sky high when he returns. I just feel his physical slightness will mean he won't make it with us long term. Bottom end Premier to mid table Championship is where I think his level is at.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2019, 10:18:36 PM »
He has played 90 minutes for Dundee 3 games in a row. He was never given 90 minutes on the pitch once in the SPFL this season from McInnes. This is the whole point, that we couldn't possibly know how good he might be unless he is managed correctly. Some people, particularly those who don't actually work with athletes don't understand the skills required to empower people to be the best they can be nor do they recognise key mental aspects such as confidence and belief that every top performing sportsperson needs.

I would suspect that Michael Stewart's opinion is going to be far more valuable than fans who have never played at a decent level nor ever managed men, let alone sportsmen.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2019, 10:54:01 PM »
I detest this "not big enough" attitude by dinosaur thinkers in football. Gordon Strachan wasn't a giant and Alexis Sanchez, possibly the most expensive footballer ever in the UK (in terms of wages) is the same height and 3 kg lighter than Wright. We either see his potential or we don't but at 22 this summer, he's one that should definitely have been managed better. Time will tell what he's made of.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2019, 07:16:26 AM »
The not big enough complaint is one of the reasons we will never progress much as a footballing nation.

Wright has 16 starts to his name at Aberdeen in 4 seasons, not enough time to tell whether he is good enough or not, but I suspect like most of our young lads they are possibly best off away from the clutches of DM and his Calderwood style youth policy.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2019, 07:50:34 AM »
I noticed Templeton scored at the weekend, another one we let go at 15/16 and we specifically said to him he wasn't big enough. I saw him come on as a sub for Stenny at Montrose aged 16 and he was electrifying. Think he developed a taste for partying not long after that, a very common Scottish affliction in footballers in particular.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2019, 08:00:32 AM »
The not big enough complaint is one of the reasons we will never progress much as a footballing nation.

Wright has 16 starts to his name at Aberdeen in 4 seasons, not enough time to tell whether he is good enough or not, but I suspect like most of our young lads they are possibly best off away from the clutches of DM and his Calderwood style youth policy.

I don't know how we can find out but it would be interesting to know how many of his 16 starts were league games and how many times he finished the game he started. I swear he's been subbed off the vast majority, certainly the very few SPFL games he's started.

What McInnes the brain surgeon doesn't understand is what failing to give a youngster CONSECUTIVE games says to him and also what subbing him off ALL the time does to his mindset.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2019, 09:20:20 AM »
The biggest issue for me is that we've lost a year in his development. This Dundee-type move should have happened last January. He needed game time then, and was very ripe for development. We were chasing second place, and it would have been difficult to justify him getting game time then. He's now a year further into his career and no further forward.

The second biggest issue in my opinion is that he gets played inconsistently. McInnes expects his front 3 to chop and change throughout the game. Moving from wing to wing and through the centre. Unfortunately, that doesn't usually work for players trying to find their feet (Mclennan, and I'd include Stewart in that too). Before they left, Hayes and McGinn had that switching to a tee and they were much better players for it. Earlier this season you could see it in GMS and it's safe to say that May loses very little from his game by being switched from left to right and then centre! However, you have to be given time to develop that confidence within games. That means 45-60 minutes in the same position running at the same man using the same foot to cross at pace, developing that role game at a time. Wright, especially, has never had that opportunity as he's constantly switched from centre to left to right. He visibly struggles with it as he'll have a nice few touches in a game before moving to another position - it's like he has to start again each time. In Stewart's case, Clarke keeps things very simple at Killie giving each player a small number of instructions that play to their strengths within games. I think Stewart has been better since returning, but I think he'd benefit from playing a single role (through the centre for me) throughout a game. He played plenty of minutes centrally against St Mirren, but crucially not the whole game, and too often he was too far away from Cosgrove as he didn't have his positioning nailed down. Similarly when asked to play wide he would regularly forget to stretch the game by dropping inside. It seems that McInnes expects a complete game from his players when none of them are ready for it. It was no coincidence that McGinn had his best spell for a good while when played for an entire half out wide with a clear instruction to provide width and balls into the box. It's weird like, we'd never ask a defender (injuries aside) to come in and learn their role in our team by switching from left to right throughout the game. I don't know why we expect it from day one from our wide players.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2019, 12:18:01 PM »
The biggest issue for me is that we've lost a year in his development. This Dundee-type move should have happened last January. He needed game time then, and was very ripe for development. We were chasing second place, and it would have been difficult to justify him getting game time then. He's now a year further into his career and no further forward.

The second biggest issue in my opinion is that he gets played inconsistently.

Your second issue was an interesting read and I never thought about how his deployment in totally different positions would have been a major factor, another piece of material evidence in the indictment of McInnes. You are totally correct, although the sheer infrequency of his minutes on the pitch v. seasons been here is the most damning in my opinion.

On your first issue, I don't think he's lost just ONE year in his development. It's considerably more than that. He's 22 in 6 months time and I think we have lost almost ALL of the last few years. He's been at the club since Under 11 days.

I also don't agree that it would've been "difficult to justify him getting game time" if the players who were getting played in his stead were consistently producing, which they weren't. The standard of opposition we faced was horseshit last year, excepting the runaway champions and a well-managed Wright should have been more than capable of doing better at age 20 than the journeymen plodders we had to endure at Pittodrie, had he been properly developed from the very start. We just don't know what he might have been capable of by now because he's never had the chance and I suspect, has never had any quality in his coaching and mentorship.

Very interesting discussion on talksport this morning. The Ole Gunnar interview of him backing Sanchez and likening him to a bottle of ketchup was the trigger but an ex-Liverpool player - I wasn't in the car long enough to get his name but it sounded like Danny Murphy - spoke great sense about management and gave some superb examples from his days, including how one former manager was very good at sticking with you even after one bad game and would controversially engage squad rotation and drop a player for one game after he had played exceptionally well (which I couldn't even imagine being a thing). He also said that Stevie G got hooked at HT (away to Basle if I heard right) and didn't get picked for the next two games. The point he was making was that nobody was exempt, everybody had to be on their toes and even their best player wasn't too big to be dropped. Their talk about belief (in the player from the manager) and consistency (in playing them and in how the manager communicates with them) were subjects that would be alien to most managers and sadly, that would include every manager that Milne has ever recruited for AFC.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2019, 12:55:16 PM »
I don't know how we can find out but it would be interesting to know how many of his 16 starts were league games and how many times he finished the game he started. I swear he's been subbed off the vast majority, certainly the very few SPFL games he's started.

What McInnes the brain surgeon doesn't understand is what failing to give a youngster CONSECUTIVE games says to him and also what subbing him off ALL the time does to his mindset.

12 league starts, 4 this season and 6 last season and one start each the previous 2 seasons.

He has also had 3 league cup and 1 Scottish cup starts and has also made a further 36 appearances from the bench in all competitions.

How anyone can say he is going to be good enough with that type of record is beyond me, not saying he would be good enough, but I see something in him, not saying he is the next Messi or anything, but he is a very clever player who would benefit greatly from a good run of games in a position which suits him, for me I would give him a free role playing off the striker.




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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2019, 01:33:45 PM »
Great detective work TDD but where can I look to see how often he's been subbed off?

I also see something good in him and hope that spark is still there, which it looks like it is.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2019, 01:50:26 PM »
Great detective work TDD but where can I look to see how often he's been subbed off?

I also see something good in him and hope that spark is still there, which it looks like it is.

As far as I'm aware, he's not completed 90 minutes in the last couple of seasons (if at all).*

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I also don't agree that it would've been "difficult to justify him getting game time" if the players who were getting played in his stead were consistently producing, which they weren't. The standard of opposition we faced was horseshit last year, excepting the runaway champions and a well-managed Wright should have been more than capable of doing better at age 20 than the journeymen plodders we had to endure at Pittodrie, had he been properly developed from the very start

Aye, fair enough, although we finished second which was a decent achievement. Regardless of whether you or I think that Wright should have been getting games, the manager clearly knew in January that his chances would be limited and it was irresponsible of him not to send him out on loan. He got 20 minutes of football after the January window. It was a ridiculously bad piece of management (from the outside, looking in - he may have been being a complete dick behind the scenes).

*Edit: he played 90 minutes in the Hamilton opener at the beginning of last season and the Partick (hat-trick) game the previous season.
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2019, 07:26:37 PM »
Great detective work TDD but where can I look to see how often he's been subbed off?

I also see something good in him and hope that spark is still there, which it looks like it is.

Try this link to the AFC website, hopefully it will open up at Scott Wright for you.just change the year and you can read his stats.   https://www.afc.co.uk/player/scott-wright/


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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2019, 10:15:52 AM »
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/scott-wright/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/276914/plus/1?saison=&verein=370&liga=&wettbewerb=SC1&pos=&trainer_id=

38 appearances was sub in 26 of them , so 12 starts ?  subbed in 9 of those ? not sure i am reading that correctly
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2019, 11:47:15 AM »
38 appearances was sub in 26 of them , so 12 starts ?  subbed in 9 of those ? not sure i am reading that correctly

Yep, that's it. I missed the full 90 minutes he got v Ross County in the season 15/16. So he's had 3 full 90 minutes and two of those were on the final games of the season (both meaningless - notably he didn't start v Celtic in the meaningful last game of last season).

It's a good overview min, cheers. What stands out for me is the 54 unused sub spots he's filled in the league (70 odd in all tournaments). That must put you in a certain mindset. It also strikes me as a more systemic issue that I've highlighted before. We should really be putting targets on McInnes to play youngsters in X number of games. Come January, if a youngster is unlikely to fill their quota then McInnes has to either strive to meet that target or send them out on loan. At no point should Wright have been playing 27 minutes of fitba between last January and May.

It's easy to criticise McInnes for this, but it has to be a club responsibility. McInnes' job and career depends on winning games, so if he feels he can definitely win games without the "risk" of playing youngsters then he'll take that option. Youth team minutes/games stats and targets from above down would highlight a club strategy/approach that would also give McInnes a bit of leeway(excuse) if those youngsters are not up to it.

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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2019, 11:51:55 AM »
the squad inclusion and overall lack of minutes not endemic of Mcinnes mindset ( could be anecdotal) but he appears not to put all subs on until till later on in games if at all... could be a correlation there who knows. Listened to sportsound at weekend and interesting discussion on Motherwell and that there is a clear and visible 'pathway' for youngsters... can we say the same ?
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Re: Scott Wright
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2019, 12:05:26 PM »
the squad inclusion and overall lack of minutes not endemic of Mcinnes mindset ( could be anecdotal) but he appears not to put all subs on until till later on in games if at all... could be a correlation there who knows.

Aye, totally. He seemed to have full confidence in his starting eleven no matter how shite they're playing up until the 65th minute. Although there have been a number of half time subs this season, which shows a nudge in the right direction (or individuals are just playing even shiter). It also takes him at least 5 minutes to get a sub from finishing the warm up onto the pitch. In my opinion, the lack of quick change was partly responsible for the second St Mirren goal at the weekend. Managers seem not to notice that subs can sometimes just break up the game for a little bit and often take a sub on directly after a goal rather than pre-empting it (Wilson on Saturday).

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Listened to sportsound at weekend and interesting discussion on Motherwell and that there is a clear and visible 'pathway' for youngsters... can we say the same ?

We certainly don't. Not a visible one anyway. McKenna is still being held up as the example of youth doing well in our team, but there has been nobody following him and nobody preceding him either (under McInnes). We've narrowed our squad nicely since January too, so there should be the opportunity for more game time. We're still making the squad-pandering subs that keep likes of Ball and Gleeson happy in games where there is no danger in bringing on a youngster.