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Offline Ten Caat

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2018, 11:02:26 AM »
With a news headline saying that the EU and England are getting closer in the Irish border issue, I don't understand the issue. Maybe I'm looking at it with the requisite simplicity.

If the tories go on about "taking control of our borders", and they do, and yet don't want a border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, what prevents anyone flying to Dublin then going to Belfast/Larne and entering mainland Britain that way?

All the illegal immigrants near Calais will head west to Cherbourg and try to stow away on the ferries to Rosslare and Dublin, the infrastructure to prevent such occurrances isn't there and without a hard Irish border they will head straight for Belfast and onwards to the mainland.

May wants some sort of border in the Irish Sea but that is unacceptable to the Unionists in NI and if this agreement involves this then the Unionists will stop propping up the Tories and bring down the government in doing so. The only Brexit that can work is hard Brexit. Anything other than this is staying in the EU in all but name.

Of course if the government does get brought down then the question arises....will the nation actually have the balls to elect a Corbyn led Labour administration? It would unquestionably stand on a "rejoin the EU" ticket and if elected I doubt they'd even call a fresh referendum to ask the question.....they'd just say they were elected on a majority and as such had the mandate to do so.

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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2018, 11:35:47 AM »
Isn’t Corbyn pro-Brexit? I mean he’s not shouting it from the rooftops but I can’t see him offering us a way out of leaving the EU even if it would mean him getting elected.

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« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2018, 11:51:34 AM »
He absolutely is but nobody else in the Labour Party wants it and as such he will accept their position to guarantee no one challenges his leadership in the meantime. I guarantee if we are out that the next election whenever it happens will be fought on a "Labour backs rejoining the EU" ticket

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« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2018, 01:22:07 PM »
I would very much doubt that. Once we're out we're out. Nobody's going to back an immediate return and the EU wouldn't allow it. It'd be the constitutional equivalent of letting the new huns in to the top league - we are very much the hun of the EU. For your scenario, you'd have to have a general election before the article 50 in March, which is cutting it very fine. At best, that will be campaigned with labour backing a second referendum. There is zero onus on Teresa calling a general election even if the proposed deal with the EU doesn't get through parliament. In that case it goes to no deal.

In terms of the border: no deal means a hard border (unequivocally, despite what Rees-Cunt might suggest). A hard border contravenes the UN Good Friday agreement to which the UK is a signatory (almost certainly). That hard border could move to the Irish Sea (then move again to hadrian's wall...) which the DUP wouldn't like.

As you said earlier, I don't see anything other than a hard border working, so either we get a hard border and Brexit or we get a customs union with free movement but with no control over the EU laws which we'll have to accept as part of the customs union.

This could, and should, have been on the referendum ballot in the first place.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2018, 01:35:33 PM »
Out = out completely, anything else is just a fudge and not what the English facists voted for.

I still believe sense will prevail and we will remain full members of the EU

If not, I hope the bastards come out completely and suffer like fuck.

In particular those parts of the country that voted overwhelmingly to come out despite being the main beneficiaries of being full members.


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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2018, 07:35:34 AM »
I think we will end up back at the polls in the next 6 months for a general election with the offer of another referendum to decide our future and in which we will vote to stay.

I'm sick of hearing about it if being honest, especially from all the experts spouting their shyte for whatever side they sit on.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2018, 09:33:27 AM »
I also think it won’t happen and too can see another referendum.

There’s no solution to the Irish border problem.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2018, 12:02:40 PM »
I also think it won’t happen and too can see another referendum.

There’s no solution to the Irish border problem.

There is actually, give NI back to the Irish. Can't see that causing any issues.  ;)

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2018, 12:19:24 PM »
There is actually, give NI back to the Irish. Can't see that causing any issues.  ;)

Supposedly the ratio of Catholics to Protestants in NI is very close to being 50:50 now and Catholics should outnumber Protestants by the middle of this century. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see NI rejoining with the Republic before Scotland gets independence.

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2018, 07:23:44 PM »
Typical English ploy to section off a part of something then claim the moral high ground in a democracy.

Let Ireland vote, let all of Ireland vote, listen to the people's choice.


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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 01:33:13 PM »
There is actually, give NI back to the Irish. Can't see that causing any issues.  ;)


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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2018, 02:29:28 PM »
Watched a documentary about the NI culture of punishment shootings. It's not just accepted over there, the communities support kneecappings and bullets through the ankles and elbows. Fucking neanderthals these cunts, blinded by bigotry and hatred.
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 03:43:35 PM »
Watched a documentary about the NI culture of punishment shootings. It's not just accepted over there, the communities support kneecappings and bullets through the ankles and elbows. Fucking neanderthals these cunts, blinded by bigotry and hatred.

Watch what you say about the Northern Irish, they'll set the bad spirits on you.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mp-gregory-campbell-wants-sale-of-ouija-boards-regulated-31094502.html

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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2018, 04:38:58 PM »
Watch what you say about the Northern Irish, they'll set the bad spirits on you.

I was hoping that you wouldn't tell them and I was banking on the known fact that these norn cunts don't log in here.

Actually, have any of us ever met an AFC supporter from Ulster? In our whole lives? I've not.
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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2018, 05:48:49 PM »
No I can't say I have.
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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2018, 06:02:07 PM »

 Used to be a guy called Ulsterdon on Abmad,and not forgetting Rory McIlroy..... 

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2018, 03:57:12 PM »
It doesn't matter now anyway because we have a new royal baby to look forward to.

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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2018, 04:10:49 PM »
It doesn't matter now anyway because we have a new royal baby to look forward to.

Young, Ginger and Black.

Aretha sang that.
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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2018, 04:27:07 PM »
First line edited because it'll be deemed as racist

What's the odds if it's a girl they call it Diana?

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Re: Brexit - Will it happen
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2018, 07:38:28 PM »
Young, Ginger and Black.

Aretha sang that.

Paaaaaaahahahhahaha.  :thumbsup:  have a simmie.
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