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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2012, 11:27:59 AM »
The sensible huns I know are believing all the hype GS.

Several on P&B seem quite rational about it and are furious about Green's "official" boycott

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2012, 11:56:01 AM »
I thought Utd's crime was charging for tickets for the replay of an abandoned game?

Yet, the game they choose to boycott is the one where they get a share of the game money. Arseholes.
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2012, 11:57:05 AM »
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/dundee-united/204234-rangers-dundee-utd-and-scottish-cup-tickets-your-questions-answered/

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Don’t they have to take tickets?

The Scottish FA competition rules state that Rangers have a right to a minimum number of tickets but don’t specify an obligation to purchase any.

Rule 41 states: “the visiting club shall have the right to claim admissions up to 20% of the spectator capacity of the ground” and says that if any of the allocation is not sold then it should be returned to the host club 24 hours before kick-off.

Will Rangers make money from the game?

Again, the Scottish Cup rules specify that revenue from the game should be split between the participating teams in each tie.

Rule 46 lays out the procedure for teams in the Fifth Round as:

(1) The host club shall be entitled to make a deduction of 20% from the gross receipts.

(2) When half of the receipts remaining exceed the guarantee, the said receipts shall be divided, equally, between the clubs.

(3) When half of the receipts remaining do not exceed the guarantee, the visiting club shall only receive the guarantee.

The guarantee mentioned is a payment of up to £400 that should be made from the host to the visitors.

So Rangers would expect to receive the share of the takings, after expenses.

In practice, the amount is more likely to be around a third of the day’s ticket receipts.

Discussing the issue on Twitter, Scott Struthers from Hamilton Academical said that with costs varying for the home team, in his experience the visiting team receives between 29% and 35%.

How much are they likely to make?

It’s hard to predict. The size of the crowd isn’t known and expenses, such as policing, all need to be factored in.

Could Dundee United just charge pennies to get in?

No. Rule 40 sets a minimum price of £8 per ticket. Any pricing over and above that has to be agreed between Dundee united and Rangers. If the clubs can’t reach agreement, the Scottish FA would apply the price for a regular match at Tannadice. It isn’t clear whether that regular pricing would be based on last year’s Scottish Cup ties or from this season’s Scottish Premier League games.

In any case, limiting the amount of revenue would not help United. Failing to bring in enough to cover costs would leave them out of pocket. Covering costs and making a profit means a fair split between teams so ever pound denied to Rangers would also be denied to Dundee United.

Could United, for example, let season ticket holders in for free?

Dundee United could allow their season ticket holders in for free but would have to contribute to the receipts as if those spectators had paid in on the day at the same price. It would leave the SPL side out of pocket.

Could the Scottish FA change the rules?

Rule 47 (a) allows for temporary changes to the rules. However, 47 (b) says any permanent changes have to be approved at the Scottish FA AGM.

It would be surprising if 47(a) was invoked to overturn any of the other applicable rules, given that they cover all matches in the competition.

Can Dundee United withhold the cash?

No, that would breach Cup rules. The share of receipts has to be paid to Rangers or the United would face sanctions.

Are there any other rules that could apply? What about bringing the game into disrepute or not acting in the best interests of football?

There are broader Scottish FA rules about the conduct of clubs and officials. However, any charges would likely be met with a vigorous defence from Rangers who would argue that they have acted within the stated cup competition rules.

The Ibrox club could also argue that given the strong feelings associated with the match and the security concerns that Rangers highlighted in their statement, they are acting in the best interests of football by reducing the likelihood of any flashpoints.

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #103 on: December 05, 2012, 01:39:00 PM »
I'm reading some retarded huns are claiming that the boycott was precipitated by the heinous crime of calling them "The Rangers" on their website  ::)

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2012, 02:01:29 PM »
ooft united are at it again, The Rangers fans winnae be happy

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"It is with huge disappointment that we read both the content and tone of the statement from Rangers, stating that they will not be taking any tickets for our Scottish Cup tie in February and urging their supporters not to attend.
 
 However, we do not intend to enter into a war of words with Rangers or to dignify their position by responding in kind.
 
 We have noted their decision not to take any tickets for this cup tie and will now act accordingly in arranging the match. The statement from the Rangers makes it clear that their fans should not attend. We have therefore raised a number of related matters with the Scottish FA and will be making no further public statement until their advice has been received".

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2012, 02:02:50 PM »
Latest is that the Arabs could refuse to have the game televised.  That would be amusing but that would also be cutting their noses off presumably.

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2012, 02:03:50 PM »
Latest is that the Arabs could refuse to have the game televised.  That would be amusing but that would also be cutting their noses off presumably.

See no point in that what so ever.
Would be nice however if Sky put extra money to some clubs other than the OF for once.

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2012, 02:10:13 PM »
I see plenty of point

firstly much more likely to get a full house of their own fans and all the advantages that come from that in terms of motivating the team.

secondly it makes the attempt to intimidate and bully other clubs by the hun support look completely impotent.   Its important that these fuckwits are put in their place, this would go a long way to doing so
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2012, 02:20:28 PM »
+ 1 tlg!  :thumbsup: :haterangers:

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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2012, 02:45:19 PM »
Fuck them. Why can't they boycott everyone? No cunt likes or wants them.
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »
And whatever happened to "no one likes us, we don't care"?
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2012, 06:21:37 PM »
Because, in reality tlg, it's "no-one likes us and we really, really DO care, we wanna play with the big boys. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #112 on: December 17, 2012, 09:37:13 PM »
Morton 6-0 Turra
Dumbarton 1-3 Hamilton
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Re: Scottish Cup 2012/13(non AFC)
« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2012, 08:33:57 AM »
Well done to Turra for being the last non league team in. They had a chance at the end of the home game to win it 2-1 and that was the chance of getting through.
6-0 looks a bad result but I felt it was always on the cards unless it remained 0-0 into the second half then who knows. But Turra aren't the team to sit back and accept a respectable 2-0 defeat against a good side, I imagine they went for it and got punished. Nevertheless, great start to their Scottish Cup history