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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2010, 07:52:37 PM »
So...

Big construction project starting in Aberdeen around the time I graduate as a Civil Engineer  :thumbsup:

like most students you will be unemployed after you graduate, and have to take a shitty job not related to your degree.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2010, 07:58:11 PM »
like most students you will be unemployed after you graduate, and have to take a shitty job not related to your degree.

See my previous post:

The truth can hurt you know!

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2010, 08:05:47 PM »
like most students you will be unemployed after you graduate, and have to take a shitty job not related to your degree.

Ask topcorner, he had to resort to working in burger king!

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2010, 08:05:32 PM »
See my previous post:

I want you to feel the pain  :thumbsup:

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 08:11:38 PM »
Ask topcorner, he had to resort to working in burger king!

Some might say he's been Royale-e fucked!
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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 08:42:34 PM »
He does relish going to work though.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2010, 03:16:03 PM »
Why do they need 3 lanes Slim ? The Edinburgh By-pass is only 2 and other than in rush hour, traffic moves freely. Surely Aberdeen doesn't need any more with less than half the city and surrounding area population than Edinburgh ?

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2010, 04:45:57 PM »
Why do they need 3 lanes Slim ? The Edinburgh By-pass is only 2 and other than in rush hour, traffic moves freely. Surely Aberdeen doesn't need any more with less than half the city and surrounding area population than Edinburgh ?

One of the main ports in the region for offshore supply boats is in Peterhead. The main industrial areas in Aberdeen where the equipment for going offshore is located is mostly to the south and the west of the city. That means the road will be full of HGV's taking up one of the lanes almost continuously.

Aberdeen's roads are chock full of absolute morons who have no idea how to overtake or use the overtaking lane. We'll have a two lane road with traffic crawling along at 56mph in both lanes. And that's only when the HGV's will get up to top speed after the numerous stops and starts for the roundabouts and traffic lights clogging up the road. And thanks to those roundabouts and traffic lights, everyone wanting to turn right at the next junction will inevitably crawl along the righthand lane for 2 miles or so. If they sensibly had slip roads, anyone slowing down to get ready to exit the road would be confined to the lefthand lane.

And you've got to bare in mind that this road will be the backbone of Aberdeen's road network for the next 100 years, so we've got to be mindful of future usage. There's no point building a road that will cope with the traffic flow today. More and more cars are on our roads every year and that trend is going to continue realistically.

It tends to be a massive task to widen roads in built-up areas. As the Aberdeen bypass is being built on isolated greenbelt land most of the way round, I think it would be prudent to build it a bit bigger as it's inevitable that with it being a main road, it will attract developers to build either side of it and it'll soon end up like Anderson Drive (the original Aberdeen bypass) is today.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2010, 11:24:40 PM »
So there is no point being short-sighted and building a road to cope with todays traffic needs but they should be accounting for 'moronic' driving when building it. I'd love to be at that traffic planning meeting.


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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2010, 11:36:48 PM »
So there is no point being short-sighted and building a road to cope with todays traffic needs but they should be accounting for 'moronic' driving when building it. I'd love to be at that traffic planning meeting.

To be honest I think slim has a point about the proposed route being littered with traffic lights and roundabouts.  Your right Ajja the Edinburgh bypass works very well with two lanes, however the Edinburgh bypass seems properly planned using slip lanes etc instead of the roundabouts/traffic lights proposed for the AWPR.  There's really no point only planning for current traffic levels, it needs to be done in a way that takes into account future traffic levels.  Anything else would be short sighted in the extreme.


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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2010, 12:02:56 AM »
To be honest I'd be inclined to agree with Slim. You only have to take a second; look at the Haudigan and realise the nonsensical approach to planning, two lanes and round-abouts brings to Aberdeen. While I understand your point about Edinburgh you have to understand the village mentality coupled with the type of industry that exists around Aberdeen.

A lot of heavy industrial traffic bypasses Edinburgh via Perth through Glasgow and onwards to Englandshire. I'd bet most of Edinburgh's commuter traffic is office based and used to city driving and infrastructure supported alternative transportation methods.  I would also bet there are very few Massey Ferguson's chugging along with a Marshall trailer coupled?

Aberdeen and the Shire's major downfall, is that it has this ingrained superiority complex.

Over the last thirty years or so we have had an enormous opportunity to become one of the worlds most important cities and we've fucked it up with the village mentality. If, and I'm sure he is correct, as Slim says the WPR is to be built in such a way it, will sum up how un-forward thinking we (Scotland) have become as a nation. This is a sad indictment of probably the most gifted nation in the World in terms of intelligence, and worse considering the resources that we have on our door-step.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2010, 11:16:19 AM »
To be honest I think slim has a point about the proposed route being littered with traffic lights and roundabouts.  Your right Ajja the Edinburgh bypass works very well with two lanes, however the Edinburgh bypass seems properly planned using slip lanes etc instead of the roundabouts/traffic lights proposed for the AWPR.  There's really no point only planning for current traffic levels, it needs to be done in a way that takes into account future traffic levels.  Anything else would be short sighted in the extreme.

Driving down the A90 last night from Aberdeen to Edinburgh I was repeatedly held up by drivers "overtaking" in the outer lane at 55 - 65 mph. No concept of "get past then pull in" they'd sit there for mile after mile!

Now ok, 55 across the WPR is better than 25 on Anderson Drive, but if there's roundabouts, junctions, big lorries and twats then I forsee regular carnage and the road being closed for an accident just about every day!

It needs to be bulit like a motorway with slip roads and nea "blocks"
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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2010, 10:10:47 AM »
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Objectors could delay new bypass
campaigners confirm they plan to mount legal challenge to AwPR

By Calum Ross

Published: 26/03/2010

A legal challenge by objectors could delay the building of Aberdeen’s long-awaited bypass by more than a year.

Campaign group Road Sense confirmed last night it plans to go to the Court of Session to try to block plans for the Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route (AWPR).

One legal expert said the move could delay the scheme by up to 18 months.

Objectors and landowners have six weeks to lodge a challenge after the Scottish Government published acquisition orders for the compulsory purchase of the ground needed for the 28-mile ring road.

The project has been on the drawing board for decades – and was first included in the city’s local plan of 1952.

Aberdeen North MSP Brian Adam said any further delays would not be welcomed by the north-east public.

“Road Sense is entitled to act as it sees fit, but whatever sympathy there may have been for those directly affected will vanish if they try to use the courts as a delaying tactic,” the SNP MSP said.

“There is no doubt at all that what the Scottish Government have done is completely within the law.”

Finance Secretary John Swinney announced in December that the Milltimber Brae route for the bypass, which leaves the Stonehaven-Aberdeen stretch of the A90 at Charleston, crosses the River Dee at Milltimber, loops west of Kingswells and rejoins the Aberdeen-Peterhead leg of the A90 at Blackdog north of the city, had been approved.

But doubts have already been cast on the estimated 2012 completion date for the project. ???

Road Sense’s vice-chairman Henry Irvine-Fortescue said: “We have already taken legal advice, which is ongoing at the moment, and in the very near future we will be formulating our strategy to oppose these orders.

“We would be looking to challenge the minister’s decision in the Court of Session. We are going down the judicial review course.”

Elaine Farquharson-Black is head of planning and environmental law at Paull and Williamsons legal firm, and co-wrote a book on compulsory purchase orders.

She said the government could technically acquire the land within three months – but that a challenge could see the court suspend the acquisition orders until a hearing was held.

“Any challenge would delay the implementation of the AWPR until the matter had been resolved,” she said.

“It is not unusual in Court of Session challenges to have to wait up to a year for a hearing and then to wait between three and six months for a decision.”

The government estimates the bypass will cost between £295million and £395million – but Road Sense believes the bill will top £1billion.

A spokesman for Transport Scotland said: “Following parliamentary approval earlier this month of the scheme and trunk road orders for the AWPR, the remaining orders and compulsory purchase orders have now been made and notices, which are required by statute, will be advertised on March 26.

“We are not aware of any legal challenge."

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But I don't think it's due for completion in 2012!

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2010, 03:11:54 PM »
The people that object to this road being built should be told to GTF, either that or they should be forced to drive between Dyce and Stonehaven in the rush hours every working day.  >:D

What is it with Aberdeen and Nimby minorities trying to spoil things for the majority, Trump golf course, Civic square, AWPR, 3rd Don crossing et al......

Away and hug a tree you backward thinking chunts, with people like you in charge we'd still be living in caves and chasing after deer for our suppers.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2010, 03:15:03 PM »
Road sense chairman "Henry Irvine-Fortescue"

I'd be surprised if he's fae Tilly!  ;D

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2010, 03:49:10 PM »
Henry in front of his humble abode!

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2010, 04:09:36 PM »
Arseholes, I take it neither of them are locals? Do you think either of them could find Aberdeen on a map? This is almost as dumb as those Plane Stupid Weegie arseholes.
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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2010, 04:26:44 PM »
Henry in front of his humble abode!



Rick Mayall must have fallen on hard times of late, nannying for the Irvine-Fortescues.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2010, 07:55:26 PM »
Henry in front of his humble abode!


Has the posh tory twat and his wife/mother/gran/aunt/sister kidnapped those kids using Rick Mayall as their lacky?
What a fucking bunch of weirdos.

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Re: Holy Mother of Jesus: AWPR Approved
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2010, 10:51:05 PM »
The worst thing he's saying we in Aberdeen don't have a roads problem and he only started the campaign when the route next to his house was chosen, NIMBY!

His group are going out looking for red squirrels and rare animals, they state they don't know if they're there but have gave gave out checklists of things to look for.................so he's never given a shyte about the red squirrels or newts before and doesn't know if they live there but is now hunting for them.

I hate people like him, backward leftie no doubt.